Patch release date confirmed.

[Jagger]

The blog states that 2 hnded axemen are fixed....

"less devastating gunpowder units and last but not least, stronger 2-handed axe men and billmen."

http://www.totalwarblog.com/

So did anyone actually read the blog?

[Faenaris]

The blog states that 2 hnded axemen are fixed....

"less devastating gunpowder units and last but not least, stronger 2-handed axe men and billmen."

http://www.totalwarblog.com/

So did anyone actually read the blog?

Aye, they are fixed, but they were talking about update 2:

As a teaser for Update 2, we’re currently playing with some of the fixes and tweaks and have to say, you will absolutely love the more aggressive Scotland and Mongol campaign AI, more naval assaults, an even more consistent less powerful cavalry charge, less devastating gunpowder units and last but not least, stronger 2-handed axe men and billmen.

And with regard to the patch news:

[Joecartoon.com George Hemp Voice] Oooowwww, yeaaaaaaaah! Shame that the 2-handed fix isn't included, but I'll just adapt the animations myself until the next update.

[Jagger]

I guess I am the one that didn't read the blog....

I am using Lusted animation patch for the axemen/bills, etc. So not too big a deal for me.

[Faenaris]

I guess I am the one that didn't read the blog....

I am using Lusted animation patch for the axemen/bills, etc. So not too big a deal for me.

Hehe, no sweat, I had misread the blog too the first time. And I'm doing the same as you: using Lusted's Fix for the billmen/axemen.

[Bijo]

The blog states that 2 hnded axemen are fixed....

"less devastating gunpowder units and last but not least, stronger 2-handed axe men and billmen."

http://www.totalwarblog.com/

So did anyone actually read the blog?

I've read the blog and it doesn't say 2-handed axemen and billmen are fixed. "less devastating gunpowder units and last but not least, stronger 2-handed axe men and billmen." The only thing that it's saying is that 2-handed axemen and billmen are stronger. It's not the same as being fixed. Simple logic.

[Shadow_Wolf33]

booo @ gunpowder units being nerfed. Hopefully I'll be able to un-nerf them, because I like them actually being able to KILL something on the battlefield...heck, some I'd say could even stand to be improved. Mortars for one should be killing more than 1-2 guys when they land smack dab in the middle of a formation.

[Bob the Insane]

booo @ gunpowder units being nerfed. Hopefully I'll be able to un-nerf them, because I like them actually being able to KILL something on the battlefield...heck, some I'd say could even stand to be improved. Mortars for one should be killing more than 1-2 guys when they land smack dab in the middle of a formation.

Well update 1 has:

"-Fixed gunpowder units being stuck reforming"

Some maybe the gunpowder units will get extra uber after tomorrows update and they are already planning to tone them down again?? Just guessing..

[Bongaroo]

Agreed that the motor round should be explosive, scattering a dozen or so tightly packed troops into the air and possibly giving some shock to knock a larger ring of troops into disarray. would be an awesome sight.

[Barry Fitzgerald]

I think CA are getting carried away on their own PR stuff....

You will love...etc...

What I would love is this!

Proper AI that doesnt cheat...and has some sense.
A challenge in battles..(AI again)
Pick faction heir
Option to start campaign early, middle or late period..
Real years not turns..and option for slower paced games
Glorious achievements..bring em back
Regional units....we want them NOW!

I am hard to please...the only way it should be! lol

[Whacker]

booo @ gunpowder units being nerfed. Hopefully I'll be able to un-nerf them, because I like them actually being able to KILL something on the battlefield...heck, some I'd say could even stand to be improved. Mortars for one should be killing more than 1-2 guys when they land smack dab in the middle of a formation.

Aff Star Captain Wolf, I couldn't agree more. Later gunpowder units, while relatively inaccurate, caused a lot of damage whenever a shot managed to hit. If they're going to nerf the damage, they should at least increase the moral hit by a good margin to compensate.

RE: The two-hander discussion, stinks that it's not fixed, but at least we have a reasonably-well working temp fix thanks to some talented researchers. In fact, I would go as far as to say that if anything this just solidifies in my mind the need for a bug-fixer type effort for M2. Is player1 still around? We could use his mythical skills about now methinks.

Also, I'd like to reiterate Kraxter's idea about patching. Having a decent number of frequent patches is preferable, in our opinion at least, to a small number of large patches that are few and far between. Having to wait a few months or more at a go while sitting on some of the more noticable bugs really stinks, like the 2-handers. Given there's a fix, but invariably there's going to be some that won't have workarounds, and will annoy some of us more than others.

Cheers!

[ScrapTower]

Aff Star Captain Wolf, I couldn't agree more. Later gunpowder units, while relatively inaccurate, caused a lot of damage whenever a shot managed to hit. If they're going to nerf the damage, they should at least increase the moral hit by a good margin to compensate.

I have said this more than once so please forgive me...

The first canon (bombards) were used in siege warfare no earlier than 1314, and the first muskets entered battle around 1550. Lances, pikes, and swords were still the weapons of choice at the beginning of the Thirty Years War... (1618).
Not to mention the first muskets were heavy, slow to reload and and could not be fired without a rest.

The effectivness of gunpowder units historically sucked untill the 1600's. IMO the gunpowder units detract from the medieval setting and tactics.

[Whacker]

Let me prefix this by stating that in principle, I actually agree with your opinion on gunpowder. Some people like it, others think it's ok, others don't want to deal with it. I'm somewhere in the middle, it's ok to dabble with, but I prefer traditional non-gunpowder battles and combat by a good margin.

That said....

and the first muskets entered battle around 1550.

Muskets yes, but arquebusiers and the older "gonnes" were all in use in some shape or form since 1300 or so.

Not to mention the first muskets were heavy, slow to reload and and could not be fired without a rest.

IIRC this is not true. Earlier firearms predating the musket were indeed large and required stands, but the first true muskets were used and fired without stands. I also think that most later Arquebusier-type firearms did not require stands.

The effectiveness of gunpowder units historically sucked untill the 1600's.

That's somewhat subjective, but towards the latter years not true. Yes it's true that earlier firearms were incredibly inaccurate and relatively weak, hence the practice of selling plated armor that was "pre-dented" from firing test shots at it. The later 15th century firearms though had improved to the point where enough energy was imparted to the shot that it could penetrate armor quite readily. Not to mention it still scared the crap out of men and horses even though it's use was common. Accuracy though, was another thing entirely.

IMO the gunpowder units detract from the medieval setting and tactics.

I somewhat agree and disagree, as stated above. One things for sure, they definitely aren't going to get dropped, if anything I imagine that our next expansion is probably going to be more forward in time, towards the Renaissance.



Sapster, if you read this, what are you plans for handling the bug list? Are you going to just strike-through any bugs/items fixed and what patch they were fixed in (and that we verified)? Whichever way you choose, I would offer that leaving things in the list is a good thing, as RTW showed sometimes things came back to haunt us even after they were "resolved".

Cheers!

[screwtype]

...and the first muskets entered battle around 1550. Lances, pikes, and swords were still the weapons of choice at the beginning of the Thirty Years War... (1618).
Not to mention the first muskets were heavy, slow to reload and and could not be fired without a rest.

The effectivness of gunpowder units historically sucked untill the 1600's. IMO the gunpowder units detract from the medieval setting and tactics.

How about that. That is just how Imperialism II plays!

The more I've found out about that game, the more I admire the guys who put it together.