Hidden stats?

[Arkatreides]

Are there some hidden stats that are not displayed on the unit cards that make some units better/worse than their stats would predict?

The reason I ask is because units like Polybian Triarii look worse (stats-wise plus they lost their Phalanx ability) than their pre-Polybian versions but cost more.

[Ludens]

The answer is yes, although I do not think this accounts for your observations. Both mass and lethality are not shown. Also, if the primary weapon is a melee weapon, the attack and charge values of the secondary weapon will not be shown.

However, I think Polybian Triarii have intentionally lower combat-stats than their Camillian predecessors to make up for their increased mobility.

[Arkatreides]

Thanks for the reply but this will only lead to a n00b question

What are mass and lethality and how do they factor in - and most importantly how do I get to see them?

(Sorry but I LOVE numbers ;)

[Moros]

The points you a melee weapon has that you see in game is used to calculate the chance that it has to be a hit, I believe. The lethality is used for calculating the chance that the hit was lethal.

Mass is something that is mainly used with calculating charge impacts.

There also other things that might not be obvious from viewing the info in game. The best way to check is by looking in to the files.

[Aristophanes]

See the number in bold at the end of the line in export_descr_unit.txt

type generic siege 3span
dictionary generic_siege_3span ; Triaspanai Katapeltai
category siege
class missile
voice_type General_1
soldier greek_artillery_crew, 24, 8, 0.85
engine scorpion
attributes sea_faring
formation 1.5, 1.5, 3, 3, 3, square
stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 4, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 0 ,0.1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 12, 2, scorpion, 350, 30, siege_missile, blade, piercing, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr ap, bp
stat_pri_armour 0, 8, 2, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 0
stat_ground 0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental 4, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 5000, 1900, 30, 40, 5000
ownership thrace, greek_cities, macedon, romans_julii, numidia, egypt, spain, romans_brutii, seleucid, slave, carthage

That number affects lethality more than virtually anything else. The higher it is, the faster your units swing with their weapons, increasing the probability of a killing blow.