Two Handed Weaponry frustrations

[Gith]

I know this has come up a few times, but I just had my first experience with it and it was extremely frustrating. Playing as Portugal I assaulted Genoa thanks to a spy opening the gates. Seeing that it was only a general guarding the city, I sent two units of Portuguese Dismounted Knights (96) straight up the middle and 1 around the back streets to the center to attack from behind. The General charged before my flanking unit could get there. The charge killed maybe 10-12, a pretty acceptable number in my book and then the melee ensued. My flanking unit eventually came around and helped out. In the end I lost 140 Portuguese Dismounted Knights, who killed 6 of the general's bodyguard. This is absurd. I read the patchnotes, didn't see any mention of this... is it due to the fact that the polearm attacks so slow that it is constantly interrupted and never gets an attack off? Has there been any mention of fixing this?

Right now it just seems like they're a useless unit, and I've heard the same things about the Varangian

Looks like its back to using only dismounted feudal knights

[ScrapTower]

I know this has come up a few times, but I just had my first experience with it and it was extremely frustrating. Playing as Portugal I assaulted Genoa thanks to a spy opening the gates. Seeing that it was only a general guarding the city, I sent two units of Portuguese Dismounted Knights (96) straight up the middle and 1 around the back streets to the center to attack from behind. The General charged before my flanking unit could get there. The charge killed maybe 10-12, a pretty acceptable number in my book and then the melee ensued. My flanking unit eventually came around and helped out. In the end I lost 140 Portuguese Dismounted Knights, who killed 6 of the general's bodyguard. This is absurd. I read the patchnotes, didn't see any mention of this... is it due to the fact that the polearm attacks so slow that it is constantly interrupted and never gets an attack off? Has there been any mention of fixing this?

Right now it just seems like they're a useless unit, and I've heard the same things about the Varangian

Looks like its back to using only dismounted feudal knights

Patch II will address this, in the mean time Lusteds mods provide a good fix.

[Husar]

I never had a problem like this, my forlorn hope annihilated an enemy general within seconds once. Took them a bit for the rest of the bodyguards, but they won without any help. My Zweihänder also work nicely and attack frequently. Tried some billmen in custom battle and they also seemed to work fine. Sometimes i wouldn't be surprised if the copy protection used is responsible for some of the faults, had to get a new DVD drive to be able to install the game, there may be some occassions where everything seems fine but the drive still made an error while copying the files. I had similar things happen with gothic 3 where the UI would be screwed but I got no error message.

[Gith]

Thanks for directing me to the fixes


Yea oddly enough I've never had this problem with Forlorn Hope, Zweihanders, or Gothic Foot Knights, just Portuguese and English foot knights, and like I said (I think it was under the 'Why Jannisary Heavy Infantry Murder Everything' thread) the Varangians as well.

I suffered the same fate when charging into a unit of pavise crossbow militia... on the charge I killed quite a few, but as melee went on they started wiping me out. Am I wrong to expect my crack foot knights to steamroll crossbowmen?

[Musashi]

Two handed sword units aren't bugged, only two handed axe and funky polearm units.

[Doug-Thompson]

Two handed sword units aren't bugged, only two handed axe and funky polearm units.

And religious fanatics, both the Crusade and Jihad units.

[Cesare diBorja]

Also, where are the French Longswordsmen or the Landesckhnechten; zweihanders, halberiers, handgonnemenschen and hakkebuttesmenschen. Not just pikemen? Milanese or mercenary two-handers?

[RTKMercurius]

Will be nice when they fix this bug so we can see how the units are supposed to play... esp. vrs cav...

[Dan.o6]

I think I'm just going to mod this myself, seems easier than using Lusted's mod which fixes a lot more things than I find nessessary. I'll just replace the animations and see how it runs. No stats editing.