Some victories are more equal than others

**Blackboots** · 12-15-2006, 07:05

Having previously played STW and MTW, I developed a like-dislike-accept-hate-love-disappointment-reconciliation-disallusionment kind of dysfunctional relationship with RTW. I just couldn't get that fired up about it and eventually quit playing it altogether last January. Didn't think I was interested in M2:TW at all.

But then I got disallusioned with the *other* game I had been playing (so is that game my Adulteress ancillary?). I read a few well-reasoned posts about this game's strengths and weaknesses, and decided to try it out after all.

I'm still slogging through my first long campaign as the English. I have to say that nothing I did the entire time I played RTW/BI/RTR etc. ever gave me nearly the satisfaction that I felt tonight when I finally served those

Milanese the righteous beat-down they have been so richly deserving for so long.

For anyone out there who may harbor the same feelings for this despicable faction but are still dealing with them, I have created my first inspirational poster for M2:TW to get you through those trying times:

Enjoy!

**sapi** · 12-15-2006, 09:01

:P

Actually, my best moment in that regard was beating the hungarians as the byzantines.

I was counting on them to hold my flank when i dealt with the venetians and the turks, but no, they had to happily inform me that we were no longer allies.

Twenty or so turns later, i happily informed them that they no longer existed (now i think about it, one thing this game needs is a list of status changes, so you can look back and see that in 1124 you declared war on faction x, and were backstabbed by faction y in 1200).

But yeh, the milanese were a real pain in my english campaign too :P

**BigTex** · 12-15-2006, 09:13

I loathe the milanese. They are so irrational at times. They will never ever accept defeat, or even a surrender. In my current French campaign they were at war with me (france), the HRE, Venice, and the Sicilians. After finally slogging through those horrid archer armies they were reduced to 1 province, finally I launched an invasion after trying to get a ceasefire. I destroyed their 1 of 2 armies, no ceasefire. So I destroyed their last army, with my full stack next to their capital and only city (genoa) with only a unit of italian militia and a general guarding it, no ceasefire. Not even an acceptance for vassaship. I tryed giving them milan, bern and even mertz for a ceasefire, all to no avail.

After exiting the diplomacy screen the army sieged the city, the spies unlocked the gates and 30 seconds after milan refused to accept defeat they were destroyed!

**andrewt** · 12-15-2006, 09:14

I don't understand. What could make people dislike a faction that repeatedly stabs you in the back with stack upon stack of Genoese crossbow militia because their starting provinces are so rich and the upkeep costs for said militia are so low so much?

**Whoz'onE** · 12-15-2006, 09:22

In my current campaign as England I am allied with Milan, fully expecting to be stabbed in the back at the first opportunity. At least I managed to get them to pay for the privilege of being allied with me.

**pevergreen** · 12-15-2006, 10:53

I HATE MILAN! They are so.........gay!

For my first campaigns they didnt do much, but now every time i start a new campaign, they r*pe HRE and France. LIVE HRE LIVE!!!

**Naefen** · 12-15-2006, 11:06

First thing I did as HRE was move in and destroy Milan. Made it just in time aswell because only two turns later I got attacked by Venetia,France,Siscily, and Poland. From there on it was pretty much all about defence for a good long while

**dismal** · 12-15-2006, 15:44

My greatest satisfaction so far has come from eliminating the sniveling French.

Payback for their outrageous taunting of my k-niggits.

**Kraggenmor** · 12-15-2006, 16:28

Kudos to you 'Boots, and thank you!

That post made my laughter ring out far and wide across the cube farm!

**katank** · 12-15-2006, 16:28

I simply enjoy destroying factions period. However, Milan is certainly more annoying than others and richly deserve to die. Their militia unit spam is ever so annoying.

**Kraxis** · 12-15-2006, 16:46

Yes, Milan is bad! But I hate Venice even more... They simply won't die and have the Pope as their Godfather (eventhough he is mine). They even had the nerve to recapture a city, that I have since been unable to take back. They are generally just so... so... so annoying!!!!
Not even the French have a speck on these in comparison, and they can be pretty damn lousy at times.

**Widget Maker** · 12-15-2006, 17:59

The sweetest victory for me was the Backstabbing HRE, Years of civil borders which not even a troop infringment and they send a full stack to seige me, needless to say I diverted several armies (Led by a 16year old general who came of age with 5stars : D)on their way to take out Milan/the northern italian cities and killed them, They had a lot of cities that now provide troops for my Italian adventures. Sadly my wonderful general died in the last stand of a recently captured and besieged Hungarian city)

**darsalon** · 12-15-2006, 18:18

Nope, for me it's Denmark. Consistently tried to bully me around when I've been playing as the English or the Milanese (don't hate me people

). Playing as the English I went on a genocidal war of destruction against the Danes ignoring their desperate pleas for a ceasefire. They'd made peace with me at 3 or 4 times previous to the big war. and every time they backstabbed me so that was it, no mercy