How do you Define Heroism?

**Scurvy** · 12-16-2006, 02:25

Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888

jumping on a grenade to save some of your sqaurd mates, is heroic

jumping on one to save prsioners of War is not

get the point??

Why? In both cases lives are being saved, with the other example i can see why rescuing an animal might be less importnat than a child, but all lives are equal, i would even argue that jumping on a grenade to save PoW is more heroic than for squad mates...

**ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88** · 12-16-2006, 04:13

Originally Posted by Scurvy

Why? In both cases lives are being saved, with the other example i can see why rescuing an animal might be less importnat than a child, but all lives are equal, i would even argue that jumping on a grenade to save PoW is more heroic than for squad mates...

A Animal can always be replace... your 3 year old son can't

"Oh I get the point - but I shall not go there for now."

good,then don't Redleg.

Big, How is jumping on a grenade to save the very same people who trying to kill you heroic? Personally, I rather die from the grenade then save the POW's..

**Big King Sanctaphrax** · 12-16-2006, 04:19

Personally, I rather die from the grenade then save the POW's.

What? You'd rather just die needlessly, as opposed to doing it saving the lives of human beings who have surrendered, and are no longer trying to kill you?! Why don't you just shoot them yourself, get it over with.

As to why I consider it more heroic, it shows a concern for the whole of humanity, and a recognition of the fact that for the most part these are people just like you, who simply happen to be on the other side.

**AntiochusIII** · 12-16-2006, 04:23

Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888

A Animal can always be replace... your 3 year old son can't

The animal also dies. Once. Besides, heroism is, by nature, sentimentality and effort, not results -- the less instinctively required, the more effort it takes for one to act for others' sake; the more heroic.

Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888

Big, How is jumping on a grenade to save the very same people who trying to kill you heroic? Personally, I rather die from the grenade then save the POW's..

Then you are not quite as heroic as the person who dares to save Prisoners of War. Every soldier in a war at one point or another probably have come to the realization that there might come a time where they will have to die in order for their comrades to live. Moreover, it is easier to fight for someone whom you know is also fighting with you.

How many fight for those who themselves cannot fight? For those who might fight you back? How many gives that other cheek so many Christians so lightly claim they will?

It takes pure heroism and nobility of spirit to save the enemy. I myself know I don't have that kind of spirit.

**Redleg** · 12-16-2006, 04:56

Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888

A Animal can always be replace... your 3 year old son can't

All life is worth saving, regardless if its an animal in danger or a human being.

"Oh I get the point - but I shall not go there for now."

good,then don't Redleg.

You might want to look at some definitions. You seem to have an opinion that even goes against the ideas and code of conduct of a soldier, your opinion here goes against the moral code of being a human being. I wonder if you understand that its a military obligation of the soldier to safeguard any prisoners captured on the battlefield, one that if you neglect can lead to charges filled under the UCMJ. If you study history a little more closely you will find that several very brave men protected POWs at the cost of their own lives. Many of these men were not recognized for valor but it does not make their effort any less heroic.

Big, How is jumping on a grenade to save the very same people who trying to kill you heroic? Personally, I rather die from the grenade then save the POW's..

And in that your death would be meaningless. In that instance the greater good would be served by protecting the POW's since they are no longer capable of defending themselves on the battlefield.

Your digging yourself into a very deep pit - one that you will find difficultly getting out of.

**ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88** · 12-16-2006, 05:36

Originally Posted by Redleg

All life is worth saving, regardless if its an animal in danger or a human being.

You might want to look at some definitions. You seem to have an opinion that even goes against the ideas and code of conduct of a soldier, your opinion here goes against the moral code of being a human being. I wonder if you understand that its a military obligation of the soldier to safeguard any prisoners captured on the battlefield, one that if you neglect can lead to charges filled under the UCMJ. If you study history a little more closely you will find that several very brave men protected POWs at the cost of their own lives. Many of these men were not recognized for valor but it does not make their effort any less heroic.

And in that your death would be meaningless. In that instance the greater good would be served by protecting the POW's since they are no longer capable of defending themselves on the battlefield.

Your digging yourself into a very deep pit - one that you will find difficultly getting out of.

Yes,I do realize that you will be charged under the UCMJ. It's funny how people always question how much I know, but yet say the most ironic things

"What? You'd rather just die needlessly, as opposed to doing it saving the lives of human beings who have surrendered, and are no longer trying to kill you?! Why don't you just shoot them yourself, get it over with."

Personally, I don't care if they trying to kill me or Not Big. They was trying to kill me and my sqaurd, Hell, they may have even kill some of my fellow comrades. And Yet, if a US Marine flips, you think I am going to jump on the grenade to save those Idoitc Iraqi Prisoners? Hell No.

And Lars, would you not give up your own life to protect your fellow comrades in Battle or would you like to see them dead or maim?.Would you not risk your own life to save your mother in a buring house, or would you just leave her to die

So King, you argee with Lars then? Oh wow, that's nice

"I am not even going to read this. Its pointless, it has been completely debated to no effect. It will lead itself into another unpleasant arguement. Waste of time."

Well, why you post here then? Don't post here unless you got something good to say. Common Sense People, Please Use it.

"Curse you King Warman!!"

same to you :)

**AntiochusIII** · 12-16-2006, 05:46

Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888

Personally, I don't care if they trying to kill me or Not Big. They was trying to kill me and my sqaurd, Hell, they may have even kill some of my fellow comrades. And Yet, if a US Marine flips, you think I am going to jump on the grenade to save those Idoitc Iraqi Prisoners? Hell No.

Ah I see. Adieu, then.

**Big King Sanctaphrax** · 12-16-2006, 05:51

So King, you argee with Lars then? Oh wow, that's nice

Erm, no, I was making a joke. I think both you and Lars are way out, although at least he's consistent.

Why would you think I was agreeing with him? That would completely contradict my earlier posts.

**lars573** · 12-16-2006, 06:39

Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888

And Lars, would you not give up your own life to protect your fellow comrades in Battle or would you like to see them dead or maim?.Would you not risk your own life to save your mother in a buring house, or would you just leave her to die

#1 No I wouldn't give up my own life. It's far too important to me. As for my theoritical comrades-in-arms it's their job to mind their own asses, not mine (depending on the position I'm holding in this sernario). As for wanting to see them dead or maimed. Depends, do I like them or not.

#2 Probably not. It would really depend on whether there was a at least a 50/50 chance of all coming out intact.