How do you Define Heroism?

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

#1, well that's nice. It's nice to know you would leave your friend to gret his leg blowed off by a grenade or get killed because "your ass is more important".you real nice Lars, I like to be in the Same Humvee with you in a gunfight in Iraq.

#2. And Oh that's nice. you going to leave your own Mother do Die. That's real nice of a Son.Boy, you such a man,aren't you?



just plain funny.


I got people who think it ok to go into Burning houses to save their pets, and got people who think it's not ok to Save their own Mothers. Boy, and they the same people who think I'm always wrong .



I tell you a example of true Heroism, and since we are up to our own point of views, you can argee,disargee, or just don't say anything.


Octorber 3rd-4th,1993 (I think)

100 Soliders or so went into the town of Modgasdishu,Somilia, to capture several high ranking offciars from this one clan. Well, only was suppose to take 1 or 2 hours,that's it.


But Instead, they was stuck there till the 4th,lost 18 Soliders,2 Black Hawk helicopters, and 500-2000 (numbers are debately) Mitliamen were killed and thousands wounded.


Two Black Hawks Went down. Super Six One and Super Six Four. Super Six One was made to, before it was Overrun. Super Six Four wasn't so Lucky. Two Delta Snipers from a nearby Black Hawk roped down to protect the Surving Crew Members. (Mike Durant and one other guy was still alive I thought). The Two SNipers shot and killed groups of Somilies, with the help of the Crew Member/Members that was still alive. Sadly, it wasn't enough, and they was all Killed, Expect for Mike Durant, who was held hostage for 11-13 days untill the American UN Ambassor threated to Kill "Every Man,Woman,Child,Donkey,Goat,Tree,Bush" in the city.


Now Mind you, the Two Snipers know they proably would have died, but went down anyhow, hoping that the rescure guys could make it in that 15 minute or so time span. They Also known proably, that their bodies would be drag though the streets and muitlaied. They gave their own lives up, and got dragged though the streets, just to save 1 guy.

[AntiochusIII]

I got people who think it ok to go into Burning houses to save their pets, and got people who think it's not ok to Save their own Mothers. Boy, and they the same people who think I'm always wrong .

That's because Lars hold a cynical viewpoint -- "my life is always the most important" -- and a valid one by any means, if heartless to the rest of humanity. We have but one life. He just wants his to last as long as possible.

Whereas your indication that you'd rather die than to save another human being because that person is not your friend, is double standard. You judge people differently because of their value to you, not because of themselves; thus, it no longer is so much heroism as cost-benefit calculation.

What's worse?

[lars573]

#1, well that's nice. It's nice to know you would leave your friend to gret his leg blowed off by a grenade or get killed because "your ass is more important".you real nice Lars, I like to be in the Same Humvee with you in a gunfight in Iraq.

Your assuming that any squad mates I have would be my friends. Or at least people I don't hate. With my personality that's a tall order.

#2. And Oh that's nice. you going to leave your own Mother do Die. That's real nice of a Son.Boy, you such a man,aren't you?

You realize that in fires it's smoke not flames that kill you. You suffocate rather than burn up. Suffocation doesn't take long either.

Stupidity maybe, but really, if you survived the grenade and your squad died and you got help later, wouldn't you feel guilty that you let them die? A squad is a group of people who work together as one, teamwork and helping each other out. Thinking about yourself in a time a whole squad will die is just selfish.

No. I have a remarkable ability to not feel guilt. That and chance or luck rules our lives as much as our concious decisions. That it would be completly random if the greande landed next to me or the other guy. That's life, you or I can't change it.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Your assuming that any squad mates I have would be my friends. Or at least people I don't hate. With my personality that's a tall order.


You realize that in fires it's smoke not flames that kill you. You suffocate rather than burn up. Suffocation doesn't take long either.



No. I have a remarkable ability to not feel guilt. That and chance or luck rules our lives as much as our concious decisions. That it would be completly random if the greande landed next to me or the other guy. That's life, you or I can't change it.

#1, that your own opinion


#2, Really? I was so incompent of learning that when I was a 6 year old kid during Fire Prevention class

[Redleg]

No. I have a remarkable ability to not feel guilt. That and chance or luck rules our lives as much as our concious decisions. That it would be completly random if the greande landed next to me or the other guy. That's life, you or I can't change it.

You should be very careful of boasting about such an ability/trait. The inability to feel guilt is very similiar to the inablity to feel remorse about one's actions. This particlur trait is not something to be proud of, since it is basically an anti-social personality trait, one that is linked to self-destructive behavior (along with destructive behavior toward others).

http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/428/428lect16.htm

[lars573]

You should be very careful of boasting about such an ability/trait. The inability to feel guilt is very similiar to the inablity to feel remorse about one's actions. This particlur trait is not something to be proud of, since it is basically an anti-social personality trait, one that is linked to self-destructive behavior (along with destructive behavior toward others).

Not boasting. However it is true. And while I am anti-social it's more due to shiness and the anxeity it creates in social situations. I can't call people on the phone because of it.

#1, that your own opinion

Based on experience. The majority of people I meet I wouldn't whiz on if they were on fire.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

so Lars, you so AntiSocial, You praticlly won't save anyone,even your own Mother (ironic eh) unless you liek them or had a 50/50 chance of getting out,because you that Anti-Social? I'll stop there..

[ajaxfetish]

While self-sacrifice, or the risk thereof, can be a great indicator of heroism, I don't think it's a necessary part of the definition. Basically, I think a hero is someone who demonstrates the values of their culture in a way that excels the behavior of their peers. Greek heroes were those of the highest martial and athletic ability, and seen as favored by the gods. Early Christian heroes were those who eschewed violence completely and were willing to face torture and death without complaint. Modern American heroes tend to be those who look out for the underdog, who show extraordinary levels of determination and resourcefulness, who are optimistic, etc. This could be a soldier on the battlefield, or a teacher in a high school. A hero is a person who exemplifies what we all wish we were. They take the things we hold important to a level beyond expectations. They make abstract values concrete in the form of an individual person.

Ajax

[Scurvy]

so Lars, you so AntiSocial, You praticlly won't save anyone,even your own Mother (ironic eh) unless you liek them or had a 50/50 chance of getting out,because you that Anti-Social? I'll stop there..

why is that anti-social? i would never attempt to rescue someone if there was more than a 50/50 chance of getting out...

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Scurvy, Please re-Read my Post again. I did not say that is Anti-Social.