Richest provinces in the game

[andrewt]

I've only played the Russians and Venice so far.

While playing Venice, Venice itself and many of the Italian coastal provinces are very rich because of sea trade income. Nicaea and Thessalonia are actually richer than Constantinople in my Venice game.

I'm wondering how provinces such as Antioch stack up against them. So far, playing as the Russians, Stockholm is the richest province in the game that I've found so far.

[TinCow]

If you are including trade generated by placing Merchants on resources, the most prosperous provinces are easily Timbuktu and Arguin. The gold, ivory, and slaves in those provinces can easily rake in 500 gold per turn each with decent merchants, and there are upwards of 8-10 resources between the two provinces. That's 4000 to 5000 gold without even considering the income from normal trade, taxes, and farming.

Of course, that's nothing compared to trade income from New World resources.

[Martin]

Wow, I don't think I've ever had a city get over 7,000 much less 9,000

[andrewt]

If you are including trade generated by placing Merchants on resources, the most prosperous provinces are easily Timbuktu and Arguin. The gold, ivory, and slaves in those provinces can easily rake in 500 gold per turn each with decent merchants, and there are upwards of 8-10 resources between the two provinces. That's 4000 to 5000 gold without even considering the income from normal trade, taxes, and farming.

Of course, that's nothing compared to trade income from New World resources.

I put my capital in Thorn for Stockholm to get income that high. The merchants for slaves, silver, iron, etc. on Stockholm only generate around 100+ each. For, Timbuktu and Arguin, won't you need a capital pretty far from those two provinces to get that much merchant income? I'm thinking the corruption would lessen the normal income.

I was also very surprised by Stockholm. I had nothing over 7000 while playing Venice.

[Shahed]

Antioch can rake in about 10,000 florins per turn at maximum development, perhaps more if you can have a half decent governor.

[Basileus]

Its Antioch for me as well, it had 8k+ and i was at war with most of my neighbours so i could not trade with alot of provinces close to Antioch. Im dissapointed with some provinces, like Venice/Constantinople and some inland provinces in France and the HRE.

[MSB]

Not sure if this applies to M2TW, but in RTW the richest (or at least what appeared to be the richest) was the island of Salamis. If it is a similar map then I would presume that it would be the same.

[katank]

@ Sinan, I doubt governors can help at that stage. My governors late game typically drop income 30-70% as they become quite venal.

[Sarmatian]

I think in theory Constantinople has the potential to be somewhere in the league with Stockholm and Antioch.

Constantinople get's conquered a usually a few times in game, and is dependent for trade on provinces that aren't developed at the start (those on the black sea) and are, more or less, in danger of being sacked by mongols or timurids. Also, lot of provinces in the black sea are castles. I don't know if that hurts the income.

In my turks campaign, Constantinople is netting about 6000 per turn(thesalonica about 5000), with taxes set on low, and I haven't build all the trade buildings or merchant guild. But I've been at peace with the russians, byzantines, hungarians and venetians for quite some time now. Maybe that gave them time to develop their cities.

[Shahed]

@ Sinan, I doubt governors can help at that stage. My governors late game typically drop income 30-70% as they become quite venal.

Yeah that is the problem, if you could get a good governor Antioch could net more than 10K I think.

[metatron]

Not sure if this applies to M2TW, but in RTW the richest (or at least what appeared to be the richest) was the island of Salamis. If it is a similar map then I would presume that it would be the same.

It's not. Trade is defined by the resources in game, which are different.

If memory serves, the richest ports in MTW were Constantinople, Venice, Antioch (The Silk Road), Alexandria, Carthage. London and Toulouse could beef up, same with some development, as could Genoa and Stockholm.

[PaulTa]

It's not. Trade is defined by the resources in game, which are different.

If memory serves, the richest ports in MTW were Constantinople, Venice, Antioch (The Silk Road), Alexandria, Carthage. London and Toulouse could beef up, same with some development, as could Genoa and Stockholm.

No flanders?!

Heresy. I say we burn him at the stake.

[rosscoliosis]

Oh son-of-a-b, I just did the "you know you've been playing too much..." action of trying to mouse over that screen shot to get extra information, haha. I'm with Martin, I still haven't had any settlements get anywhere near that much income, and I'm only a couple settlements from winning the (long) campaign. :(

[andrewt]

I have no governor in Stockholm. They get bad traits after a while. I'm going to get around 9500+ with all the farms in Stockholm. There's still around 1-1.5% pop growth left so I might not hit Antioch's 10000. How rich are the other provinces near Antioch? I remember Jerusalem and the equivalents of Acre and Adana being very rich in RTW as well.

Looking back at my Venice game versus my Russian game, I think Constantinople was disappointing as Venice because you have to conquer the northen provinces above it to get good export income.

[PaulTa]

I know that it sounds kind of weird since it's a landlocked province, but Vienna always nets me a ton of cash as HRE.

Anyone else seen Vienna get big?

[Basileus]

I know that it sounds kind of weird since it's a landlocked province, but Vienna always nets me a ton of cash as HRE.

Anyone else seen Vienna get big?

Vienna is awesome, mines and it has borders to a lot of provinces as well..i think it went up to 5k maybe even more on my HRE campaign.

[Musashi]

I put my capital in Thorn for Stockholm to get income that high. The merchants for slaves, silver, iron, etc. on Stockholm only generate around 100+ each. For, Timbuktu and Arguin, won't you need a capital pretty far from those two provinces to get that much merchant income? I'm thinking the corruption would lessen the normal income.

I was also very surprised by Stockholm. I had nothing over 7000 while playing Venice.

A full skill merchant will make over 1000 per turn on any of the gold or ivory spots in timbuktu... Your capital location is nearly irrelevant. Even having it as close as Cordoba my merchants were pulling over 1000.

It's actually worth considering buying Timbuktu from the Moors if you don't own it, as the merchant income seems to basically double if you actually own it... And I was bringing in over 1300 per turn with a merchant on gold there with my capital in Novgorod when I didn't own Timbuktu... And he wasn't even a master merchant.

[Hamburglo]

I'm only getting 468 from a maxed out merchant on Timbuk gold in my HRE campaign :/ The Moors own it and I have trade rights.

Speculation: Could the quality of the trade path from the resource to your capital make a difference?

[Zenicetus]

I'm only getting 468 from a maxed out merchant on Timbuk gold in my HRE campaign :/ The Moors own it and I have trade rights.

Speculation: Could the quality of the trade path from the resource to your capital make a difference?

I think the trade path and trade rights are background income, separate from the merchant's own income which is more dependent on distance to the capital, monopoly bonus, intrinsic resource value etc. Also, road quality (AFAIK) only impacts trade income for roads within your own provinces. Poor quality Moorish roads would affect the level of their background trade income, not yours. At least I think that's how it works. Maybe someone who has poked into the files can verify that.

[knoddy]

Wow my best was London in my english camp and it was only gettign about 5.5k fully developed with a merchants hq :( i dunno how u people get 9-10k. in Rome Athens was always best in my camps, once i owned all of greece and asia minor, i easily netted 10-15k with a decent govenor there :D

[Quillan]

In my Byzantine campaign, I was getting just over 7k a turn from Constantinople, with a Merchant Guild HQ and a merchant's quarter built in the city, plus a dockyard and a docklands. That's 2k+ a turn higher there. I'm pushing 6k a turn from Venice in my current Venetian campaign, with the guild HQ, 2nd level merchant bank, merchant quarter, shipwright and docklands (no gunpowder just yet). I've never seen sea trade that high in M2TW yet. Hell, I never saw sea trade that high between Halicarnassus and Rhodes in RTW! That's some serious coinage flow there.

[metatron]

No flanders?!

Heresy. I say we burn him at the stake.

Forgiveness, please...

I was always Spain or the Byz...

Also, Cardinals can't become heretics. :P