Afetr the patch - how "stop the hostilities or be excommunicated" works?

[Handel]

I attacked twice enemy armies in my provinces - they were just stayng there and relouded because because I forget about the Pope mission; BUT - I wasn't excommunicated immediately. So how does this mission works after the patch? Before the patch you could only deblock a port or siege, but not attack enemy armies in your territories.

[Molinaargh]

Before the patch I forgot I had that mission and attacked, as Poland, a Danish army. The stack was just standing in my territory.

I was not excommunated, but my relations with the Pope worsened. They were "Perfect" before this event.

When I tried to attack the Danes again in that turn, a warning message came up saying that I would get excommunated if I attacked.
So I guess that's not a patch change.

[Lord Ovaat]

Even prior to the patch, you would not be excommunicated for attacking a "cease hostilities against" faction IF the army was in your territory, seiging one of your cities or castles, or blockading your ports (naval). Those are defensive actions, and should not be prohibited. They were in MTW (sort of), but not now. Cool. You may also maintain a seige against that factions cities, or a port blockade. Just don't attempt another while sanctions are in effect. That, however, I think is a bit odd. I would still consider maintaining a seige or blockade as an offensive action. But I'll take it.

[knoddy]

failing that mission does not always result in excomution. often it depends on ur relations with the pope. quite often in my english campaign i had very high relations with the pope, and was able to keep attacking without reprecussions i failed that mission several times without being excomuted, howerver in my current scottish camp, i failed at a point where i had like 1 cross on the pope o meter and was excomuted immediatly. quite often the missions says, if u fail u "MAY" be excomuted, meaning there is a possibility.


Cheers Knoddy


p.s. lifting sieges, blockading ports, lifting naval blockades, do not count as acts of aggression iirc.

[Snoil The Mighty]

Most often, that mission doesn't specify excommunication, just says your relations with the pope will suffer (Iforget the exact verbiage). I have kept high popescale numbers and got away with minor actions many times that have been easily repaired with tithing (aka florins for His Holiness, the Bishop of Rome)

[Slicendice]

Basically if you have really good relations with the Pope then you will only suffer a hit to those relations. If relations are poor and you break the cease hostilities order you will probably be excommunicated.

I repeatedly break these orders and I have a diplomat stationed right next to Rome for the sole purpose of giving the Pope 500 florins every turn or so to make sure our relationship is at or near Perfect. I also have the only alliance with the Pope as well. (I'm so popular I wish he would die already!)

So, as long as you are willing to buy your friends in M2TW then you will never be excommunicated. Also, I feel it's easier to call for crusades.

One thing about Cease Hostility orders is that both factions are ordered to cease. So if you attack a faction that is seiging your city or blockading your port then you are OK. But if they do anything to you then their relationship with the Pope deteriorates and they can be excommunicated. Then you make a Crusade and gets some cool unites and Chivalry bonus'.

Also I think if you attack troops that are on your land you break the mission. I should try it to make sure. Usually you get a warning before you do it, but save the game to be sure.

And if you are already blockading a port then you don't have to remove the ships. But you can't blockade another port after the order.

[Zenicetus]

I repeatedly break these orders and I have a diplomat stationed right next to Rome for the sole purpose of giving the Pope 500 florins every turn or so to make sure our relationship is at or near Perfect. I also have the only alliance with the Pope as well. (I'm so popular I wish he would die already!)

So, as long as you are willing to buy your friends in M2TW then you will never be excommunicated. Also, I feel it's easier to call for crusades.

I must really suck at the diplomacy side of this game, or I just don't understand the parameters. I can not get the Pope to accept a cash payment. I'm at the neutral scale of the Pope-o-Meter (something like 4 crosses... he has "no feelings one way or another" about me), and the diplo making the attempt is ranked 5 in diplomacy. He just won't take any money, period.

There are several things that might be affecting this, but I'm not sure. One is that I'm the most powerful faction overall, which I know down-rates all relations with other factions a little. The other is that I've wiped out the Moors (as Spain) but several of those provinces are still heavily Islamic. Maybe I need to convert all my provinces to high Catholic levels before he'll deal with me? Finally, I have a bunch of priests I'm training up, but only one is sitting on the college of Cardinals. Maybe it takes more to get the Pope to accept a payment? I can't figure this out.

P.S. I am also under the "don't attack" mission in the thread title, but I haven't violated it yet.

P.P.S. Man, I am so looking forward to playing the Turks and not having to deal with the @$#% Pope.

[econ21]

Also I think if you attack troops that are on your land you break the mission.

Like the original poster, I just did this - did not get excommed and the mission still stands. I am inclined towards thinking the Pope regards this as defensive (as indeed it was). Pre-patch I think I have maintained a siege and been excommed though (which seems fair enough as that is definitely offensive).