Free Speech: Okay to Prosletyze When Teaching Class?

[doc_bean]

http://www.mijneigenweblog.nl/weblog...ant&e_id=26376

Those things seem all to familiar. Schoolsbooks are full of 'truth' where there should be theory, but then that would require the students to think, and we don't want that do we ?

Funniest example evar (imho): on a test for 'Bible studies' one of the questions was : Did Jesus ever get mad. And the answer was 'no'. Way to mix up the message with the truth folks ...

[Fragony]

You can laugh at the more silly stuff but look at this

"Taarten in het gezicht van politici, ketchup over driedelig grijs, kogelbrieven bij het ontbijt: burgers zijn niet alleen actief in het stemhokje." (Impuls, maatschappijleer)

We both know what they mean here,

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is political activism. They should be arrested for calling for violence.

"Door zijn scherpe opvattingen maakte Fortuyn veel tegenstanders. Dat werd hem uiteindelijk noodlottig." (Indigo, geschiedenis).

uh-huh, yeah that was it, walk the line

[caravel]

The evidence for evolution is all around us. It's now got to the stage that it's indisputable, despite it being a theory and not a law. Some people simply close their minds to it.

[doc_bean]

Honestly, those quotes are indeed retarded, but they probably don't appear in the majority of the books used, and are probably taken out of context. Classes like 'social studies' which I imagine is a lot like our 'Religion' classes are filled with this 'feel good, wouldn't the world be better if we were all nice to eachother BS'. Probably because only frustrated idealist have the patience and time to write something that can be used in classes like that.

We had idealisitic teachers and retarded books, most of us still gr'ew up rather normal (and middle-right, according to Belgian standards)

[Fragony]

It's a problem when blatant lies are taught about political party's, history and when people are basicly told to go out killing rightwing politicians because they be mean.

Don't the yanks read these

"De Amerikanen stuurden een half miljoen soldaten om het Vietnamese communisme uit te roeien. (-) Wanneer de Amerikanen hoorden dat de (communistische) Vietcong zich in een bepaald dorp bevond, staken ze het in brand en schoten iedereen die ze aantroffen dood." (Indigo, geschiedenis)

"Het grootste succes van Gorbatsijov was dat hij een einde maakte aan de Koude Oorlog." (MeMo, geschiedenis)

"Niet iedereen was het met deze superieure houding van de Amerikanen eens. (-) Ook in het buitenland nam het verzet toe tegen de overheersende Amerikaanse principes. Dit bleek op 11 september 2001 bij de aanslag op het World Trade Centre en het Pentagon." (MeMo, geschiedenis)

crikey

[Lemur]

"De Amerikanen stuurden een half miljoen soldaten om het Vietnamese communisme uit te roeien. (-) Wanneer de Amerikanen hoorden dat de (communistische) Vietcong zich in een bepaald dorp bevond, staken ze het in brand en schoten iedereen die ze aantroffen dood." (Indigo, geschiedenis)

"Het grootste succes van Gorbatsijov was dat hij een einde maakte aan de Koude Oorlog." (MeMo, geschiedenis)

"Niet iedereen was het met deze superieure houding van de Amerikanen eens. (-) Ook in het buitenland nam het verzet toe tegen de overheersende Amerikaanse principes. Dit bleek op 11 september 2001 bij de aanslag op het World Trade Centre en het Pentagon." (MeMo, geschiedenis)

I am offended! I am up in arms! Whatever these people are saying, I'm completely against it!

Except that, um, I don't read Dutch. Sorry. Translation for the Dutch-impaired?

[Fragony]

It says that USA went to Vietnam not to fight but to extreminate, that you were pretty good at it, and that you burned all villages and executed all villagers when a vietcong soldier was found. (Yes that has happened, but here in Holland it happened every time). Also, Gorbatjov ended the cold war, and 9/11 happened bacause you are arroganty pricks that got what they deserved.

ok I took a few liberties here, but basicly that's it.

[Kanamori]

Frag's talkin about the vietnamese communists, vietcong doods, that we didn't kill.


Eh, or Frag would post before me:(

[doc_bean]

I am offended! I am up in arms! Whatever these people are saying, I'm completely against it!

Except that, um, I don't read Dutch. Sorry. Translation for the Dutch-impaired?

1. The Americans send half a million soldiers to exterminate communism in vietnam, when the Americans heard the Vietcong where hiding in a village they burned it down and killed everyone they found there.

2. Gorbatsijov ended the cold war

3. Not everyone agreed with the attitude of superiority of the americans - In foreign countries the resistence to the dominating American principles grew. This become apparent with the attacks of 9/11 against the WTC and the Pentagon.

EDIT: late but my translation is teh best

[Kralizec]

"Taarten in het gezicht van politici, ketchup over driedelig grijs, kogelbrieven bij het ontbijt: burgers zijn niet alleen actief in het stemhokje." (Impuls, maatschappijleer)

Well, that's the reality, isn't it? It doesn't say that any of those are good things.

"Door zijn scherpe opvattingen maakte Fortuyn veel tegenstanders. Dat werd hem uiteindelijk noodlottig." (Indigo, geschiedenis).

The truth isn't always pretty.

"De Amerikanen stuurden een half miljoen soldaten om het Vietnamese communisme uit te roeien. (-) Wanneer de Amerikanen hoorden dat de (communistische) Vietcong zich in een bepaald dorp bevond, staken ze het in brand en schoten iedereen die ze aantroffen dood." (Indigo, geschiedenis)

"Niet iedereen was het met deze superieure houding van de Amerikanen eens. (-) Ook in het buitenland nam het verzet toe tegen de overheersende Amerikaanse principes. Dit bleek op 11 september 2001 bij de aanslag op het World Trade Centre en het Pentagon." (MeMo, geschiedenis)

These two are bad though. Your site mentions that they're from HP/De Tijd. I'll see if I can find that particular issue in a library.

[Fragony]

Well, that's the reality, isn't it? It doesn't say that any of those are good things.

They present those things as functional aspects of democracy, sure you see nothing wrong with it? 'burgers zijn niet alleen in het stemhokje actief'. Obvious enough for me, if the votes aren't convenient resort to plan b, intimidation and ultimatily violence. It's a clear hint at Fortuyn's assasination.

[doc_bean]

Honestly, context is everything. Some of our books had essays with controversial points in them, and we had to analyse them and debate them, they could have been taken from parts like that.

[Kralizec]

They present those things as functional aspects of democracy, sure you see nothing wrong with it? 'burgers zijn niet alleen in het stemhokje actief'. Obvious enough for me, if the votes aren't convenient resort to plan b, intimidation and ultimatily violence. It's a clear hint at Fortuyn's assasination.

Or it could just be a cynical take at the matter. Somehow I doubt the publisher of that book intended to convey the idea that death threats are an acceptable form of voter activism.

(side note, remember that Paul Rosemuller and his familiy also got death threats)

Of course some study books are going to be biased, and not just in the Netherlands.

[Tribesman]

So Doc , when you say.....

late but my translation is teh best

Are we to take it that what you put down is an accurate translation ?

Because if it is then Frags.....

ok I took a few liberties here, but basicly that's it.

Is one hell of an understatement .
Soooooo Frag are you lying again ?
You do realise that if you cannot make your point without resorting to falsehoods then you have no valid point to make ?

And as for............
We both know what they mean here,

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is political activism. They should be arrested for calling for violence.
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Now despite the very tenous , or even non existant link between spattering a politician with food and shooting him in the head , do you not remember your post calling for violence against immigrants because you dodn't like your countries policies ?

Oh dear Frag , by your own standards you should be arrested