Pope-o-meter interpretation

**Kraxis** · 12-19-2006, 02:56

Yeah!

Pope vs Mongols... now that should be fun to watch on the sidelines.

"Wha...??? You dare attack His Holiness? ME? CATHOLICS TO ME!!!!!"

**Beelzebub** · 12-19-2006, 03:29

I think the only way to get excommed is by failing a cease-and-decist mission from the pope. He can hate someone all he wants, but only when you cross that hard boundry of sieging a catholic city after he's said not to do you get excommed.

So if you want to have the HRE excommed, let them besiege one of your cities.

**knoddy** · 12-19-2006, 03:53

As u can see from my screenshot if the faction is excomuted it says so specifically.It is possible for a faction to have 0 crosses and not be excomuted as well as being possible for a faction to have 5 crosses and be excomuted.

https://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y70/knoddy/exom.jpg

also i like Kraxis idea, of giving the holy lands to the pope, which i have been doin for the last few years. at first the turks took jerusalam back after i gifted it to the pope, but now he has quite a little empire going on down in the holy lands (he still wont give me florence tho :( and he still isnt really expanding at all, although he is building up the cities and training units.

also in ur situation with germany having such low relations and u having such high, its quite possible the pope will leave things be if u attack, and if not at most u would prolly get a warning and a small relations drop.

Cheers Knoddy

**Hosakawa Tito** · 12-19-2006, 04:21

Thanks for the pic confirmation Knoddy. It's going to be fun to watch the Pope deal with the Mongol invasion. hehehe

**KARTLOS** · 12-19-2006, 04:26

with your rating compared to theirs, it would be ok for you to attack them. if you say lay seige to bologna, you papal standing will not go down too much, if they retaliate they will be excommed.

**Hosakawa Tito** · 12-20-2006, 01:30

Originally Posted by KARTLOS

with your rating compared to theirs, it would be ok for you to attack them. if you say lay seige to bologna, you papal standing will not go down too much, if they retaliate they will be excommed.

You nailed that one Kartlos and Sapi. I camped an army just outside Bolognas' walls without attacking for one turn, no reaction from the Pope, my relationship with the HRE dropped from Good to Reasonable. Next turn I laid seige and built rams and seige towers, his Holiness had no comment, relations still perfect. I attacked next turn, kicked the HRE faction leader out of Italy. I released him and did not sack the city. I slipped the Pope a 1000 florins to bump my relations back to perfect. I lost a little trade money by being at war with the HRE, but now he'll have to cross the Alps to attack me, instead of stabbing me in the back from Bologna. My two crusade generals just took Antioch and sacked it for 16000 florins. I'm going to build a church & port, collect a little trade cash for a couple turns while half my forces sack Acre. Then I'll gift Antioch and Acre to the Pope. One general will take a boat ride to rebel Rhodes, take it, build it up for my primary target of Constantinople. The other general will continue along the coast of the Holy Land and sack Jerusalem, Gaza, Alexandria, etc.. as far as he can get. I'll gift what I can to the Pope.

**sapi** · 12-20-2006, 02:31

I'd suggest taking nicosa instead of rhodes (especially if your campaign is post-patch), as the byzantines hold it (and you'll be at war with them anyway) so it's a higher level settlement.

**Snoil The Mighty** · 12-19-2006, 04:32

Wish I'd have taken a screenshot but yes, the above analysis is accurate. I was excommed with 6 and perhaps even 7 crosses in one campaign-though that save point is long gone so i can't find out exactly- and it was for attacking England as Spain after having won a crusade to York

Apparently his Holiness felt that was enough as England was effectively crippled at that point. So here I was with 6-7 crosses, excommed, fighting England with 4-5 crosses, not excommed. I held off for two turns, gifted map and a tidy 2500 florins, presto, I was at 8 and no longer excommed. Same pope, too. No death of Pope required. Didn't get a peace treaty either, just stopped stomping them for a while. Got a new Spanish bishop in next turn but lost seat among the preferati despite having enough votes to win any election called. So I voted for the oldest candidate possible in the ensuing election and a Spanish pope should be along in a couple years........