Useless second castle wall?

**wiretripped** · 12-19-2006, 13:00

Hrm, so I developed Hamburg into a Fortress...

Before long I see myself besieged by a full stack Danish army. Dismounted Gothic knights, trebuchets and what-have-you-not. Looking at my four units of light infantry and single unit of archers, I think, "Hmm, I'm in for a world of pain."

Anyway, the trebuchets wreck the fortress' outer wall at two spots, and wreck any towers that may have shot on them, before assailing me. So, I fall back, thinking, "Let's make a stand at the inner wall, maybe the AI won't bring its siege engines into the city and I have a chance to take some down with my unit of archers."

Imagine my dismay when I suddenly see enemy troups on the inner wall. Ha. It appears the outer ring wall connects directly to the inner one. How useless is that? Why have a inner wall then? If the outer one falls, so does the inner.

I should shoot my architect.

I only have one Fortress so far, so... is it the same with each one? Does the Citadel upgrade have the same problem?

Regards,
wiretripped

**pevergreen** · 12-19-2006, 13:04

Yes, but i have never encountered them actually going around like that. Just so you know, Dismounted Gothic Knights arent used in the campaign...even more so as they are HRE troops not Danish. The Citadel has same flaw, yes just 3 rings instead of two.

**Shahed** · 12-19-2006, 13:07

Yeah I've done that myself. I was surprised in Tunis when the first gate fell, I expected a fight for the next one, instead the troops went onto the outer wall, marched across the the inner wall, and climbed downstairs on the inside of the inner wall. ROFL

**sapi** · 12-19-2006, 13:04

Yes, it's the same, but if you defend it properly (and are aware of it) it's not a problem.

**chunkynut** · 12-19-2006, 13:07

I only had this issue when the army that was attacking me took the gate to the inner wall and there was a unit waiting on the outer wall to get into the inner wall. When one of my routing units went through my unmanned gate the unit on the wall entered the inner wall when the gate opened.

**Kobal2fr** · 12-19-2006, 13:18

Two things :

1) Cavalry can't go up walls. So the uber heavy cav is silent untill the grunts have taken the inner gate.

2) you have huge bonuses for defending walls, not to mention the towers will do a massacre on pinned infantry.

So yeah, the inner walls are less defended than the first, but they still provide a heck of an advantage over just the outer wall

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**econ21** · 12-19-2006, 13:26

Are the outer and inner walls always connected? I attacked one (Angiers, IIRC) and although there were some steps connecting the outer wall to the inner wall, my attackers could not climb them. So I was effectively confined to the outer wall. Fortunately, the AI cavalry charged me and did not hole up in the inner wall.

**wiretripped** · 12-19-2006, 13:34

I see.

So yes, okay, I guess there's some use for the inner wall.
Still find it silly though.

**sapi** · 12-19-2006, 13:38

Originally Posted by econ21

Are the outer and inner walls always connected? I attacked one (Angiers, IIRC) and although there were some steps connecting the outer wall to the inner wall, my attackers could not climb them. So I was effectively confined to the outer wall. Fortunately, the AI cavalry charged me and did not hole up in the inner wall.

As far as i know they're all connected - even in teh ones with teh big buildings i've been able to pass through as teh defender...

**KARTLOS** · 12-19-2006, 13:49

ive not seen the ai do that before, i was beseiged by the timurids in bulgar. they blew holes in the first wall, i retreated to the second, and they brought their ladders through rather than walk around the walls. i almost won on the time out, but the gates mysteriously opened near the end and their heavy cav rushed through!