Thinking of uninstalling the patch!

[Bijo]

What I'm gonna do is, I'm gonna uninstall the whole damn game, and wait for Shogun to be delivered into my mailbox.

Ahhhh! I reinstalled again today! My poor heart, lol.



I think CA could learn some things from Civ4. And the makers of Civ could learn some things from CA.

[Barry Fitzgerald]

Ahhhh! I reinstalled again today! My poor heart, lol.



I think CA could learn some things from Civ4. And the makers of Civ could learn some things from CA.

I think both games suffered from having been released too early. Civ 4 had some notable bugs..and some serious performance issues even on high end machines (lag/slowdowns..memory leaks etc), and got some serious criticisms from users too. Though...and it took a while..the developers did address the issues..and made significant changes to the game, including the AI and balance issues too...they also took the time to add extra bits to it...kind of a sorry we messed up thing. Though it shouldnt be like that in an ideal world.

We can only hope that CA take note of this and not only fix the issues, but enhance the gameplay..to me at present exploration of diplomatic and economic areas are not deep enough..and the game is pretty much flawed by having a tight time limit..and only one way to win (mass conquering of lands)

But whilst MTW2 shines on that battlefield (when it works right)..and it is fun..it pales next to civ 4 on the tactical map and strategic/diplomacy level..badly. Not that CA ever intended to compete with civ 4..but why make a what if game..if you only have one way of winning?

One of 2006's big titles that has been a huge let down....

I really dont mind modders playing about..and they do some good work..but really, it is not good enough to have the current retail release in such poor shape...you don't get paid for your work..the CA team do...

All this talk of not enough cpu power for AI is really smoke and mirrors...this simply isnt the truth at all

[Bijo]

Barry, I know exactly what you mean and I agree.

Though I was more talking about the general gameplay of both. TW's poor strategy map could be improved by Civ's, and Civ's team could in return learn from TW's battles.
They should simply team up to make the ultimate (PC) strategy game.

Been trying to mod some things myself, learning about those files and their contents, but it's a pain in the ass, takes time: I also want M2 to be in good shape, and I wouldn't have minded if they released it far later than planned - like next year.

I think good production quality in games should be standard nowadays, in terms of code, presentation, etc. Civ4 had that rubbish as you say, and M2 has it too.

I ain't no programmer (though I've been at it many times throughout the years), but I wonder: is it possible for TW's next installment to take an existing superior engine of which we know it works (almost) perfectly - Source comes first to mind now - and adapt it somehow to be a good perfect optimal TW engine?

All this talk of not enough cpu power for AI is really smoke and mirrors...this simply isnt the truth at all

Dunno. Seems to me it should be possible to program good A.I., but I really don't know.


I do know the standard of many games today has become to quickly finish the job, have good PR to work people up to a certain point they want to get your product, and then to take their money, hah hah!

[CptPicard]

TW's poor strategy map could be improved by Civ's, and Civ's team could in return learn from TW's battles.
They should simply team up to make the ultimate (PC) strategy game.

I've been a Civilization fan ever since version 1 in the early 90s, and I really wouldn't want to see the TW style tactical battle map in Civilization... it simply doesn't fit the spirit of the game, which is supposed to be more of a high-level nation leadership simulation than a plain war game, although of course war factors into it a great deal, as it has in real history. Civ is more of a builder's game, and your army's generals are really below you in rank...

It wouldn't be practical to pour resources into developing two decent games in one... for TW, the strategic map is more or less there to eventually get to what that game is supposed to do well, and that is the tactical battles, while it would be completely unwieldy to do that well within the through the ages scope of Civilization... you'd get two crippled games instead of one great one.