We NEED a 'Get the hell off my land!' Diplomacy Option!

[OMGLAZERS]

If you do not want them there and are not allied to them, then attack, dirive them out and send a message to the rest of the AI factions that you are not to be messed with. If you merely drive them out it is not to hard to get peace going again if you pay some reperations for the military units you have "damaged"...

In Catholic factions, this is considered an act of war and the Pope will condemn you for it.

You will start a war, be chastised for it, and have a load of other troubles, when in fact, the Pope is at fault here.

Plus, sometimes, the AI does have pathfinding issues and as allies, you should have a non-military option to let them know you are disatisfied with their troop placement.

I mean, do you think in the real world if someone doesn't like something, they attack them?

They always have a non-military option. And the game should have them too, otherwise, it's just nonstop slugging instead of any real strategy or fun.

Besides, I don't WANT to attack.

[Morindin]

This option has been floating around in civ and such games for a long time now. I don't know if CA has ever played those games, but they could garner some good ideas from them.

Other such options from those games:

1) Boot out agents from your land with military forces (move a military unit on an agent and click the 'boot' out option).
2) Ceasefire for X amount of turns.
3) Non-aggression Pacts and Alliances for X amount of turns.
4) Demand factions cancel treaties and trade rights with other nations, demand they cease hostilities with other nations.
5) Open Borders treaties. Without open borders you CANNOT move into another units borders without declaring war. This is kind of represented in the engine with 'military access' and nations getting angry at you if you park your troops in their land, however I would like an option where-by if you move into my borders with military units, you will have to declare war. I've noticed the AI will sometimes go after rebels in your territory, while this is nice it does mess up relations a little.
6) Once war is declared, all hostile units start in friendly territory. This way you cannot mass 10 stacks next to someones cities and declare war, wiping them out in one turn.
7) Borders that expand into the ocean. You can have some control over who sails blindly into your waters.

Not all of these are possible with the current engine unfortunately, but some have already been implimented by the various mods out there.

Also while we're at it, I don't see why generals shouldn't be able to negotiate diplomacy options, or at the very least Royal family. I don't know why my King, at the head of his army, can't demand a ceasefire and instead has to wait 3 years for a diplomat to come along.

[Alden]

It can be a little irksome. In my current Venice game, I had most of my army in the field and a dinky little Milanese stack (three Town Militia) scampered onto the bridge into Venice. And just sat there forever so I couldn't get my field stack in or more units out. Couldn't even use Venice to build agents since they couldn't get out either.

A dozen or so turns later, two massive Milanese stacks parked themselves next to my field stack and I was pretty much up the creek. I didn't have the juice outside the city to beat that much army and while I could build more units in the city I couldn't bring them out to fatten up my own stack. Nor could I move my field stack into the city to turn the inevitable battle into a seige assault that I'd have a crack at winning. And all because of three lousy town militia camping on the bridge. Lame.

I guess I could have tried bribing that little stack on the bridge. I don't know if that would be an act of war or not.

Get the Heck Out was a diplo option in Rome. Don't know why it went away.

[OMGLAZERS]

Get the Heck Out was a diplo option in Rome. Don't know why it went away.

Thats what makes this so much worse to me.

Aggressive AI?

GREAT

No way to resolve issues without stupid stupid STUPID battles?

HORRIBLE!

CA shot themselves in the foot on this one if you ask me!

[Bob the Insane]

I am not really arguing with anyone here and I would be perfectly fine with the dplomatic option added in. But what do you do if they agree to the option but do not withdraw? I mean we have that "or we will attack option" in diplomacy which appear to do nothing but simply annoy your opponent... In that case we would have what we had asked for but essentially nothing would have changed...

I would prefer to know why it happens and what the AI is trying to...

[scourgeofrome]

Diplomacy in the Total War series needs another revamp.CA has been going in the right direction,but we need some more improvements.Maybe Sid Meir could help?

[Alden]

I sure remember getting it from the AI, sapi. Maybe it wasn't there for the human player, though. Its been a while.

[sapi]

Get the Heck Out was a diplo option in Rome. Don't know why it went away.

Are you sure? I never saw it....

And OMGLAZERS, watch your language.

[PureFodder]

I wish there was a "Please remove your maxed out level spy from my cities" as he's the single most annoying blighter I've ever met.