Need help with guilds!

**Shahed** · 12-20-2006, 10:54

There is definetly some issue here. Also the more the game progresses the less guild offers I've been getting although my recruitment and production (everything) have been going through the roof, which lends credence to your maximum number of guilds theory.

**BigTex** · 12-20-2006, 11:03

Some territories get a bonus for certian guilds. Toleto is more likely to get the swordsmith, inverness to get the Templar's etc. But your definately on to something here. I've noticed as time goes on it becomes near impossible to get new guild offers for cities. I've even gotten the same guild offer in the settlement were I just destroyed their headquarters at.

Definately some strange going's on.

**Fisherking** · 12-20-2006, 11:11

Can't be a limit...every town I take has a thieves guild. However, there are guilds I have never seen offered no matter which factions I have played. I've not seen the woodsman's guild, the mansions guild, nor most of the others...I get offers sometimes for Templars, Hospitalers, thieves guild "usually the first offer coming", merchants guild, explorers guild, and theologians guild...outsied of that I may have captured a Moorish city with the horseman's guild.

I know woodsman's is for the English but I never got the offer in 3 campagins...Maybe excepting some too soon but I know I have had cities without guilds trying to wait for the right one.

I just don't know if others have had the same trouble but I have never seen anyone who said they had the mansions.

**knoddy** · 12-20-2006, 11:15

did u take these cities from other factions? if so make sure there isnt already a guild built in the city, also i believe cities have to be a certain size to get guild offers. how big are the cities? thats the only 2 things i can think of. although for merchants, building bigger better markets/docks usually gets me there, rather than producing merchants.

Cheers Knoddy

**BigTex** · 12-20-2006, 11:24

I just don't know if others have had the same trouble but I have never seen anyone who said they had the mansions.

The mason's guild is incredibly difficult to get. I've only gotten it once, and only in one city, that was while playing as the french. It's honestly one of the better ones you can get in for your faction. Quite a good thing it's so insanely difficult to get. The city it's in get's a massive construction cost reduction, a public order increase, and the ability to train some form of militia. The kind of militia it trains increases with its size. Once you get a master mason's guild though your set, the construction cost reduction is faction wide and adds up very fast.

**Fisherking** · 12-20-2006, 11:41

I thought it might show up in France first!

As I said I have waited with some Cities (Max Walls etc.) and keep getting the same offers. Some of it is factional I am sure but there could be a bit of randomness to it I would think.

**Shahed** · 12-20-2006, 14:35

Originally Posted by knoddy

did u take these cities from other factions? if so make sure there isnt already a guild built in the city, also i believe cities have to be a certain size to get guild offers. how big are the cities? thats the only 2 things i can think of. although for merchants, building bigger better markets/docks usually gets me there, rather than producing merchants.

Cheers Knoddy

Yes I took those from other factions and that was like 100 turns ago, and there were no guilds present IIRC. Now there are no guilds present anyway.

The cities are approx 35,000 for Antioch, and approx 32,000 for Damascus.

About the merchants I already did a point calculation, see above.

**GotGame36** · 12-20-2006, 17:45

You can always edit the export_descr_guild file to get the guilds you want.

You can add a whole new section at the bottom.......with "xxxx" being the unit you want to recruit. Use "xxx" for a sword unit that is in the city your trying to get a Thieves Guild.

If you added this section then when you recruit a "xxxx" unit then it will count toward your Thieves Guild. This means you would get 15 points toward a Thieves Guild when you recruit the "xxx" unit. You can always raise the "15" to any number you want to get the guild faster.

;------------------------------------
Trigger 0282_Recruit_Sword_Unit
WhenToTest UnitTrained

Condition UnitType xxxx

Guild thieves_guild s 15