v 1.1 AI fleets - out of control?

**Slaists** · 12-20-2006, 16:47

I find pleasing the post-patch added AI naval agressiveness however, it frequently borders with extreme silliness... For example, playing as English I get frequently attacked by my former allies' Spanish and Portuguese navies (we have no common borders except the sea). The attacks come in both forms: port blockades and landings, which I consistenly repel. This alone would be alright (there are even historical precedents for Spanish agression northwards) with me.

But then... if I approach same Spanish or Portuguese with a diplomat in the same turn they attack, they always seem to be very willing to negotiate for peace and even pay for it (dearly)... It seemed as if their fleets were somehow "out of control" and carrying their attacks against the will of their royal superiors... So, is it just that the AI has been set to randomly invade by sea no matter what? Needless to say, it does not help the AI factions to develop to their full potential.

**TheSeated** · 12-20-2006, 17:12

This is just an extension of the AI's stupidity on land. Any AI factions near the human player are doomed to be broke and broken.

**Basileus** · 12-20-2006, 18:06

A faction rarely agrees to peace if youre at war and share borders, now the thing with the new invasions is that even if the AI does a naval invasion its going to want peace because you dont share a land border so it does not want a war. So in my mind the patch is screwed up and it doesnt matter how much some people say naval invasions happend and its a good feature, needs fixing!

**Ulstan** · 12-20-2006, 19:13

But then... if I approach same Spanish or Portuguese with a diplomat in the same turn they attack, they always seem to be very willing to negotiate for peace and even pay for it (dearly)...

I tend to not ask for money from the AI in my diplomatic efforts because they always seem to willing to give it to me, thus making my job too easy.

Fortunately, "AI too willing to give you money" is something comletely under your control, in terms of whether it happens or not.

**Slaists** · 12-20-2006, 19:35

My point was not so much about AI's willingness to pay but that the game engine kind of suggests the AI actually has not had an intention to attack... For the ones that attack you with vigor and purpose, ceasefire usually is not an option (in the game).

**Alden** · 12-20-2006, 19:46

It does seem like the fleet commanders arn't reading their policy memos. I've had games in which a neighbor routinely blockaded my ports while we had Amiable relations. It even once blockaded me and had a Diplomat ask for a ceasefire in the same turn.

In a Poland game, I refrained from building ports in Stettin and Thorn and it was pretty funny to see Danish, Russian and German ships linger right in front of where the ports would be, their hearts swollen with longing for something to blockade. But they were thwarted by my clever policy and peace reigned in the Northlands for many a year.

**dismal** · 12-20-2006, 19:48

The new AI needs to listen to that song: "If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough".

The AI seems to love initiating frivolous wars (over a micro-invasion, or just a one turn blockade) and then be willing to give things away for a ceasefire two turns later.

**CaptainSolo** · 12-20-2006, 22:04

This issue is bugging the life out of me and seems i'll considered and untested.As usual i can't decide what faction to play as and as a consequence have started three different campaigns in the last two days (Milan,Moors,Portugal).On each occaision Sicily has landed a stack next to one of my settlements only to agree peace immediately.It feels like their following me around.
The main problem as i see it is that there seems to be no sense in most of the AI targets.I have started two games in the last couple of days as Milan and both times Sicily did exactly the same thing.This looks more like some program routine rather than considered AI.

I'm thinking of reinstalling V1.0,the game was more enjoyable then.I don't mind a challenge and i'm all for naval invasions,just not the way it's done here.
This will be the first time i have criticised MTW2 but it's a feature that is badly implemented and i'll bet it's first one on the list come the next patch.