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    Default So the weakest unit is...

    The dismounted knight who had trained his entire life to use a sword with excellent finesse and is protected by the best armor and a perfectly balanced shield?

    Why such a statement...well...

    - Cavalry kill them

    - Axemen/Polearms/Billmen kill them

    - Most of the ranged units kill them, since so many have armor piercing

    - Even peasants kill them!!!!

    This is insane...comments, critique, flame anybody?

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    Default Re: So the weakest unit is...

    Get a flamebot for flaming.
    Anyway, they kill spears. Archers in CC, cav after charge. and peasants...well just mod them out of the game entirely.

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    Default Re: So the weakest unit is...

    I wasn't flaming, I was just speaking from my experience.

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    Well IMO from testing the worst unit in game that isnt even fit to be used atm is the dismounted english knights. There extremely expensive and lose to so many units they at worst should have a really close battle with.

    Dek v D.Gothic knights (Dek lose)
    Dek v Zwei hander (Dek lose)
    Dek v Feudal knights HRE (Dek lose)
    Dek v Imperial knights HRE (Dek lose)
    Dek v Halbred militia HRE (Dek lose)
    Dek v Armoured sergants HRE (evenly matched)
    Dek v D.Chivalric knights Frence (Dek lose)
    Dek v D.Feudal knights France (Dek lose)

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    Default Re: So the weakest unit is...

    I dont know if they are the worse but you'd think dismounted knights would be stronger than they play in the game. But then again taking a horse away from the knight just makes him a big lumbering tank subject to infantry attacks. (tanks without infantry support are asking for trouble) So maybe they are that way for a reason?

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    Default Re: So the weakest unit is...

    DEKs are bugged, so of course they lose to everything.

    The actual weakest unit though is the Town Militia. Will lose to every non-bugged unit in the game.
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    @Musashi True.

    BWT thats pretty mad itself town militia being so weak you would think peasants would be the weakest unit in game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skott
    But then again taking a horse away from the knight just makes him a big lumbering tank subject to infantry attacks. So maybe they are that way for a reason?
    You can do pretty much anything while wearing plate that you can do without. It's hot, and sweaty, and you get tired quicker, and you can't run as fast, and it's hard to see if you're wearing a full helm (which is far and away the biggest problem with heavy armour imo); but on t'other hand you're practically immune to cutting weapons. Dismounted knights in plate armour and carrying nasty weapons should by rights slaughter most infantry opponents.

    Mind, I had reasonable success using DEKs a while back, so they're not totally rubbish.

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    Default Re: So the weakest unit is...

    The weakest unit is the Egyptian peasant: Attack =1, Defense = 1, and Charge Bonus = 1. Morale is poor and they are vulnerable to missiles.
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    Default Re: So the weakest unit is...

    Yep, contrary to popular opinion, plate was actually quite maneuverable. Also, the weight of plate is carried on the hips and not the shoulders like mail hauberks. In some senses, it's even better than mail at not fatiguing your shoulder/arm.

    Tank/infantry analogy is also a bit iffy in that armoured foot knights can turn around a helluva lot faster than a tank. Good luck sticking satchel charges onto a foot knight

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skott
    But then again taking a horse away from the knight just makes him a big lumbering tank subject to infantry attacks. So maybe they are that way for a reason?
    You can do pretty much anything while wearing plate that you can do without. It's hot, and sweaty, and you get tired quicker, and you can't run as fast, and it's hard to see if you're wearing a full helm (which is far and away the biggest problem with heavy armour imo); but on t'other hand you're practically immune to cutting weapons. Dismounted knights in plate armour and carrying nasty weapons should by rights slaughter most infantry opponents.

    Mind, I had reasonable success using DEKs a while back, so they're not totally rubbish.

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