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    Quote Originally Posted by Spetulhu
    I wouldn't be surprised if the youngest Abrahamic tradition had something of a turbulent start. It isn't alone with this. The Jews were given ten commandments, but slaughtering everyone in the holy land and taking their stuff was obviously not against these. Jesus said to love your neighbor and in the next breath he tells you all non-christians should be regarded as enemies.
    Whatever the start the Muslims had, they were regarded as non-threatening enough for the Jerusalemite Jews to help them take the city, and for Jews in Muslim-held territories to remain loyal for the next 1300 years, preferring them to any other rulers. Certainly anti-semitism is a primarily European and specifically Christian tradition, using the excuse of blood guilt to periodically squeeze and even eradicate the Jews in their midst (eg. Edward Longshanks). Christianity has a long and dishonourable history of maltreating Jews.

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    As for slaughtering the jewish clans systematically I've read something a bit different, which was more along the lines of: After they dismissed him and ridiculed him he fought them and all the male members (warriors) of one clan were killed while the others who foughth him were exiled.
    PS: Not a direct quote, just roughly what I recall reading.
    Anyway I share the views of many that what this books says should not be taken seriously as he's just trying to inspire hatred against muslims, the very same thing he's blaming Mohammed for doing against the jews.
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    I seem to recall reading the Jews in most places (or within the Byzantine sphere of influence and in Visigoth Spain anyway) usually hailed the Muslim conquerors as liberators. For pretty damn good reasons too. As for that matter did assorted Christian sects at loggerheads with whatever interpretation of the faith their overlords ascribed to...
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    The Copts in Egypt have a very nasty memory of Muslim conquest which remains strong to this day. The new rulers gave the population three choices-- pay a large fine, or convert to Islam, or die.

    The rich Christians opted for the fine and the rest... fell into one of the other two categories.

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    This maltreatment of the Coptic majority (at the time) in Egypt wasn't that under the so called "Mad Caliph" rather than immdiately after the Arab conquest? Because before the Abbassid Caliphate Islam was largely viewed, by Arabs, as the religion of the Arab ruling class rather than as the religion of the masses. And regarding the Copts in Egypt they only really started to become a minority in Egypt after the so called "Mad Caliph" who wanted to forcefully convert all christians and jews in his realm, and they did not become a minority in Egypt until the late 12th century, 400 years after they were conquered by the Arabs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spetulhu
    Jesus said to love your neighbor and in the next breath he tells you all non-christians should be regarded as enemies.
    Care to share the verse(s) on that last bit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good
    Quote Originally Posted by Spetulhu
    Jesus said to love your neighbor and in the next breath he tells you all non-christians should be regarded as enemies.
    Care to share the verse(s) on that last bit?
    Try Matthew, Mark, Luke and John for starters.
    If you're fighting fair you've made a miscalculation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randarkmaan
    This maltreatment of the Coptic majority (at the time) in Egypt wasn't that under the so called "Mad Caliph" rather than immdiately after the Arab conquest? Because before the Abbassid Caliphate Islam was largely viewed, by Arabs, as the religion of the Arab ruling class rather than as the religion of the masses. And regarding the Copts in Egypt they only really started to become a minority in Egypt after the so called "Mad Caliph" who wanted to forcefully convert all christians and jews in his realm, and they did not become a minority in Egypt until the late 12th century, 400 years after they were conquered by the Arabs.
    Was that the chap who scolded Muhammad for being lax in his observance of the religion?

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    Those people believe muhammed???? It's no wonder I think that they should all die and are all scumbags.

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