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    I seem to recall reading the Jews in most places (or within the Byzantine sphere of influence and in Visigoth Spain anyway) usually hailed the Muslim conquerors as liberators. For pretty damn good reasons too. As for that matter did assorted Christian sects at loggerheads with whatever interpretation of the faith their overlords ascribed to...
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    The Copts in Egypt have a very nasty memory of Muslim conquest which remains strong to this day. The new rulers gave the population three choices-- pay a large fine, or convert to Islam, or die.

    The rich Christians opted for the fine and the rest... fell into one of the other two categories.

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    This maltreatment of the Coptic majority (at the time) in Egypt wasn't that under the so called "Mad Caliph" rather than immdiately after the Arab conquest? Because before the Abbassid Caliphate Islam was largely viewed, by Arabs, as the religion of the Arab ruling class rather than as the religion of the masses. And regarding the Copts in Egypt they only really started to become a minority in Egypt after the so called "Mad Caliph" who wanted to forcefully convert all christians and jews in his realm, and they did not become a minority in Egypt until the late 12th century, 400 years after they were conquered by the Arabs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spetulhu
    Jesus said to love your neighbor and in the next breath he tells you all non-christians should be regarded as enemies.
    Care to share the verse(s) on that last bit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good
    Quote Originally Posted by Spetulhu
    Jesus said to love your neighbor and in the next breath he tells you all non-christians should be regarded as enemies.
    Care to share the verse(s) on that last bit?
    Try Matthew, Mark, Luke and John for starters.
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    I don't remember the "all non-christians should be regarded as enemies" bit - though I haven't really read my Bible at all.

    I do remember Jesus being big on the whole "love your neighbor" thing though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good
    I don't remember the "all non-christians should be regarded as enemies" bit - though I haven't really read my Bible at all.

    I do remember Jesus being big on the whole "love your neighbor" thing though.
    Reading the bible is a good cure for christianity. Reasonable people bash cultish churches for the way they freeze out even family members who don't bow to Jesus, but they're only following the example set by the same.

    The church wants people to join and stay. These days it's Love Thy Neighbor that sells, at least better than Kill All Non-believers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randarkmaan
    This maltreatment of the Coptic majority (at the time) in Egypt wasn't that under the so called "Mad Caliph" rather than immdiately after the Arab conquest? Because before the Abbassid Caliphate Islam was largely viewed, by Arabs, as the religion of the Arab ruling class rather than as the religion of the masses. And regarding the Copts in Egypt they only really started to become a minority in Egypt after the so called "Mad Caliph" who wanted to forcefully convert all christians and jews in his realm, and they did not become a minority in Egypt until the late 12th century, 400 years after they were conquered by the Arabs.
    Was that the chap who scolded Muhammad for being lax in his observance of the religion?

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    Those people believe muhammed???? It's no wonder I think that they should all die and are all scumbags.

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    Was that the chap who scolded Muhammad for being lax in his observance of the religion?
    I don't think so, the "mad caliph" (Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah) was just a little mad... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Caliph Here's his wikipedia entry.
    He was not very nice towards christians, he for an example made them wear black hats and they had to wear one meter-long crosses on their backs.
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    On the first post.

    Didn't the Jews also try to assassinate Muhammed?

    I don't agree with Islam, but that writer seems fairly biased.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanamori
    Those people believe muhammed???? It's no wonder I think that they should all die and are all scumbags.
    Every religion had/has violence. Christianity: Crusades, killing Muslims in the name of God. Jews: Destroying the walls of Jericho and continuing fighting tribes for unity. Muslims: Mohammeds coquest of Mecca, and today's terrorist bombings.

    But, I hope you don't think all Muslims are terrorists.

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    Muslims have quoted the "Quraysh Model" as justification for many deceptive treaties. It means, "Negotiate 'peace' with your enemy until you become strong enough to annihilate him"
    That's hardly exactly a Muslim thing. Pretty sure that's how most of the world was conquered by Europeans.

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