Princess marriage bug

[glasket]

Hi
I am playing as Russia in the grand Campaign.

I used my princess to marry a Danish Family member (The member was NOT a faction leader or heir and I am at war with Denmark). When the family member successfully converted to my side his picture does not appear under my family tree and similarly the princess whom I used to marry disappears from the family tree.
Should the converted family member appear under my family tree?

Further I have one family member (who is the son of one of my family members) who does not appear under the family trees.

Are these two issues bugs in the game or just in my campaign or is this normal?

[Zenicetus]

I had that happen (the first one); a new family member not showing up on the tree, after a successful marriage negotiation by my princess. The family tree programming is very buggy, and this is probably just another example. I had a faction leader with a living father, at one point.

FWIW, princesses are a potentially interesting addition to the game, but I stopped doing much with them after finding out that having them negotiate a marriage resulted in a new general stranded in neutral or enemy territory. I worsened my relations with several factions, and started one war, just by trying to get the new guy home across territory where I didn't have military access rights. So I now use my princesses as diplomats until THEY get a good offer, and I marry them off instead of trying to "score" husbands in distant places.

[Shahed]

Have a look in the bug list sticky on top of the forum... and IIRC there was someone else who mentioned a similar situation. Can't remember but here is a search:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/searc...searchid=56741

[glasket]

Thanks guys, I figured it may have been a bug.
I looked at the bugs list and it appears that if you marry a princess to a faction heir then he will join your family tree but a normal general will not show up in the family tree. Thats strange and unfortunately buggy.

I will definately use your advise Zenicetus. In almost 180 turns I have only married my princess to other faction generals 2 times just to see how that worked and evidently it turns out to be useless.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Ahh yeah! and use your new general in a battle and you may get a "man of the hour" with all his traits and ancillaries and then he magically appears in the family tree.

This game is full of surprises.

[Quillan]

It gets better. In my Spanish campaign, I used one of the many princesses I got in that game to steal a French general away. He didn't wind up in my family tree, like happened to the original poster in this thread. SOMEHOW, the game selected him as the faction heir when my king died and the prince became king, still not showing up in the family tree. When that king died and the (formerly French) prince became king, my entire family tree vanished completely! The only thing showing were the greyed out portraits of the original king and queen from the beginning of the game.

[katank]

@ Quillan, that's hilarious. All the generals and so on still show up on the map, right? I hope you don't end up losing the game when that fella kicks the bucket.

[Quillan]

No, the game kept going from there. I had another several generations of family members beyond him, and all the generals were still out on the map, but nothing showed up in the family tree. I'm pretty sure I took a screenshot of it, let me go look...but apparently I did not. I still had a save from when I quit that campaign, but now that I reloaded the family tree is back, although King Robin and his descendants aren't showing. When he became king, he didn't have any kids so the faction heir tag moved back into the regular family. I'm not certain when the family tree reappeared; probably when the next king took the throne would be my guess. I played that up until 1297 AD, when I stopped to start my Venetian campaign. I had 40 regions and a truly massive modern army (pike, muskets, basilisks, etc.) and could have won the game within a couple of turns anyway.

[Shahed]

Must be those Inquisition historians, always messing with history.

[Slicendice]

Princess' suck. They start off with no charm and as you build them up the get nasty traits that bring them back down. If you marry them to an heir that faction is always the FIRST faction to declare war on me. And if not they are the second--right behind the other faction with a princess married into it.

The last good princess I had was in her thirties and I raced her from Russia to France where a family member was to marry him. Just as she got there my faction leader died and he became the next heir. So I couldn't marry her to him and I had to find another princess. grr.

[Shahed]

That happened to me in a brief English campaign. Married to the Danes and they attacked first even before France.

[Frederick_I_Barbarossa]

Is there any word on a fix for the "phantom family tree" as far as anyone knows?

[Callahan9119]

why do factions attack you, i tried marrying a princess once and it said she betrayed me or some such and ran of with the dude

i never tried it again...i just use them as diplomats till i get a random general for her...at least i think thats how it works..half the time i never even move them except in the beginning for diplomacy

[Kryptonitus]

That is interesting info. I had a Hungarian Princess offer to marry one of my generals in a castle right before it was about to be sieged.

I declined but when I hit the turn button he popped out of the castle and turned into a Hungarian general and said "I will join my new family now" or something like that.

[Frederick_I_Barbarossa]

I just hate the way it screws up the family tree, which I think is one of the most awesome features of the TW game series.

[TevashSzat]

I think that even if you princess marries someone who joins your side, he is technically not part of the royal family as he is not directly related to anyone male in your royal family. They join the family if they get adopted by man of the hour which is why sometimes you see man of the hour popups for generals that you have had for turns

[Frederick_I_Barbarossa]

If that were the case, then why is it that the "converted" general's offspring can be named heir and leader of the faction? Makes no sense to me...it's really disappointing, too...

[Callahan9119]

i am still wondering why the faction attacks you if dude marries your princess like some have said