Cataphract Reforms?

**Tellos Athenaios** · 12-24-2006, 20:54

When do I get to train Hellenistic Cataphracts, playing as AS? I've got 'Cataphract Reform 2' building markers in various towns, lost a FM against the Parthians, lost a battle or two against the Parthians, what else is required?

**MarcusAureliusAntoninus** · 12-24-2006, 22:53

IIRC the Seleucids have cataphract reforms active from the beginning of the the game in 0.8.0.

**Tellos Athenaios** · 12-24-2006, 23:08

Ah, but I can't really train them - that's why. In fact, they're nowhere available.

**Thaatu** · 12-26-2006, 11:43

Maybe in Media? I'm playing as Baktria and Seleukids do throw cataphracts at me, although only after 235BC.

**Tellos Athenaios** · 12-26-2006, 14:29

Nope.

**Thaatu** · 12-26-2006, 23:22

Keep looking, they got to be somewhere. If the cataphract reforms aren't yet ingame and it took AI Seleukids 40 years to start recruiting them, I guess they are in some undeveloped province or you need a special building or something...

Straight answer: I have no idea.

**Tellos Athenaios** · 12-27-2006, 02:44

**MarcusAureliusAntoninus** · 12-27-2006, 11:00

I heard Seleucia has them in the highest MIC. Try saving then using "process_cq" in Seleucia to get the highest possible MIC, and see if they are on the highest level or something?

**blacksnail** · 12-27-2006, 23:04

The cataphract reforms aren't enabled for 0.8.0. We hope to have them working in the next (non bug-fix) patch.

**Tellos Athenaios** · 12-28-2006, 01:51

Oh, that explains...

So, they're in no way available save for custom battles?

**BozosLiveHere** · 12-28-2006, 05:40

I think that Kull, as a placeholder, left them as recruitable in some provinces with a local MIC4 after the vanilla Marian event (i.e. after somebody builds a governors palace in Italy). Try Syria, Babylonia (and adjacent territories) or the original lands of the Baktrians.

**Rogge** · 12-28-2006, 18:08

I was about to ask on the forums about the very same thing when suddenly I was able to recruit cataphracts in Antioch. I had recently completed one full stack with the finest, hetaroi included, and when I was about to start the recruitment of my new army I noticed kataphracts were available. I have no idea what triggered this and I sadly do not remember the date.

**blacksnail** · 12-28-2006, 18:57

The date will vary. I believe the Vanilla marian reforms are triggered when at any point an Imperial Palace is built within a region that has the "italy" hidden resource.