About The TURKS

[IPoseTheQuestionYouReturnTheAnswer]

History is not a selling point.

History is not a selling point.

History is not a selling point.

Say it a couple more times. Got it? Good. Wait, no? Say it once more. There we go. Now you're ready to accept that no game will ever be 100% historically accurate, because the development would take a decade, it would cost too much, and it wouldn't make any money.

[Spark]

History is not a selling point.

History is not a selling point.

History is not a selling point.

Say it a couple more times. Got it? Good. Wait, no? Say it once more. There we go. Now you're ready to accept that no game will ever be 100% historically accurate, because the development would take a decade, it would cost too much, and it wouldn't make any money.

Historical accuracy was never one of CA's strong points.

Of course history is a major selling point, kind of hard to argue that about a game titled "Medieval Total War"

[PaulTa]

I don't know if anyone else has noticed this, but you can tell that some of the voice acting and piecing together for the Turks was rushed a bit. When you actually decide to fight a battle on the battle map, the army that you have selected says something. In some cases, the little one liners are too long for the "zoom in" which takes you to the battlemap, so you can't hear the whole thing.

[Nasreddin]

Hi, folks.

I just finished my Turkish campaign and I do not consider the Turks to be a weak faction. For sure the game is historically inaccurate. But I think its bearable.

For the Tursk themselves. I think they are the strongest Muslim faction in the game. At the beginning you have two good options with Sipahi-all-cav-Armies or an Army based on Ottoman Infantry with additional cav and some spears.

Later in the game you can rely on your Janissaries. An Army based on Janissary Musketmen supported by some spears and cav has proved to be deadly against all european factions in my campaign. It's really funny watching Heavy Knights being gunned down, while they try to rush into your lines.

What I am more sad about is that the Arab factions are really weak. I both tried the Moors and the Egyptians but stopped the game frustrated because of their meagre units.

[The Wizard]

Say it a couple more times. Got it? Good. Wait, no? Say it once more. There we go. Now you're ready to accept that no game will ever be 100% historically accurate, because the development would take a decade, it would cost too much, and it wouldn't make any money.

Eh?

It took EB -- a development team made out of volunteers without pay -- about one and a half to two years to make a historically accurate game. We're talking modders, not professionally educated, spending their free time to make stuff. Sure, they started with an existing foundation, but that one was so ill-suited we had to throw tons out.

Compare that to the (well-)paid, professional, 9-to-5 Creative Assembly developers. Surely they could pump out something historically accurate and fun to play (which EB is, infinitely more so than RTW) within the deadlines demanded in the software manufacturing market if a bunch of amateurs could do it?

And also, Timur was not a Turk, he was an ethnic Mongol living in traditional turkic region conquered by Mongols (proven by scientific analysis of Timur's skull in Samarkand), but pretty sure a lot of his troops were turkic.

Timur was a Turk, or at least a Turcoman -- he spoke a Turkic language and had a very shaky connection to Chinggis Khan indeed. Phrenology, I hope, isn't an argument to anybody with some measure of grey matter in between his shoulders.

P.S. What the man says is correct. Numbers are insignificant and of lesser value than the truth they serve. What that means? That you should stop number crunching and start listening to what he has to say, which is not to be disputed.

[econ21]

No bickering please. I am going to edit out any material I find unpleasant, unfriendly or off-topic from this point on.