Charge-Project

[dopp]

Erm, no. That's was his OLD fix. His NEW fix does exactly the opposite.

Preliminary testing indicates that units are now much more cohesive. Cavalry have 100% successful formed charges. Upon breaking the enemy they perform another weak charge with lances lowered and run down the routers. Infantry stay in formation better, but the rear ranks still take some time to catch up with the first few who charge in. Pikemen engage enemy with pikes lowered but quickly discard them for swords (their spear wall seems completely ineffective at stopping infantry AND cavalry from breaking into the formation).

[Headlocked]

Erm, no. That's was his OLD fix. His NEW fix does exactly the opposite.

Preliminary testing indicates that units are now much more cohesive. Cavalry have 100% successful formed charges. Upon breaking the enemy they perform another weak charge with lances lowered and run down the routers. Infantry stay in formation better, but the rear ranks still take some time to catch up with the first few who charge in. Pikemen engage enemy with pikes lowered but quickly discard them for swords (their spear wall seems completely ineffective at stopping infantry AND cavalry from breaking into the formation).

what, it reduces the charge distance?

cos ive had implemented it into Darthmod and it seems perfect, no messed charges at all, and ive been playinh vh/vh venice for over four days....

(happy to be corrected!)

then infantry change is not 100%, for like 85% of charges go right, but still much much better.


Cheers,

HDD

[dopp]

He cut the charge distance in half for all units. Did you increase the charge range to 80 or did you use his new fix?

[Headlocked]

i increased the distance to 80 for cavaly, and 70 for inf. (i wasnt aware of the new fix).

no more problems with cavalry, but still not 100% for infantry.
gonna try that half-charge distance for infantry first- ie. 15-20.

Cheers,
HDD

[Foz]

Thanks for the heads up Dopp... I might not have noticed that the charge distance was the reason for things working out so much better. I've spent some time looking at the various files we can mod, but the unit stats file isn't one of those that I've really focused on. Perhaps I should, as it seems some important fixes are in there.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

I like HorseArcher's fix, but he changes a lot more in his latest releases than just getting the units charging properly. Would the best solution to only fixing charges without changing unit stats be to adjust their charge distance?

[dopp]

Yes. Set cavalry to 22, infantry to 9 and pikemen to 12. Just run a replace and change all charge distance 45 to 22, 30 to 9 and 40 to 12.

It is actually a little more historical now because charge ranges were never that long in real life. Infantry in particular would march steadily up to their target and only break into a run over the last several dozen yards or so.

[Headlocked]

Yes. Set cavalry to 22, infantry to 9 and pikemen to 12. Just run a replace and change all charge distance 45 to 22, 30 to 9 and 40 to 12.

It is actually a little more historical now because charge ranges were never that long in real life. Infantry in particular would march steadily up to their target and only break into a run over the last several dozen yards or so.

exactly so; massive, extended infantry charges simply mix up units and destroy formations. The romans strength was their discipline and refusal to throw their troops headlong at the enemey- as the gauls did, and so got slapped down many times:). This is a basic tenet of military training- cohesion = survival.


k, im gonna try out HA's fixes as described, cheers Dopp.

HDD