Moral penalty when general dies

**Monarch** · 01-01-2007, 13:04

Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888

Don't Bring your Chating Rants against me here Deni, or you going on my block list with the other 3 people I stuck on there..

For the 50th time you can't have a block list on a freakin forum

**Denali** · 01-01-2007, 13:28

He probably means the "Ignore" function...

**KrooK** · 01-01-2007, 14:06

I think penalty for dead general isn't as abd as Kyolic said. For about 30 seconds penalty is quite bad, but later it's smaller.

**Aelwyn** · 01-01-2007, 15:32

agreed. kill them from the start like elmo said. sure, it'll give you a morale penalty in the battle, but it won't be as bad as losing him at a worse time.

**ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88** · 01-01-2007, 16:12

Originally Posted by Monarch

For the 50th time you can't have a block list on a freakin forum

Ever Hear of the Igonre opition?

and 3 more names to my block list

**RTKMercurius** · 01-01-2007, 18:35

Where do we sign up, Warman? :D jk, jk....

Haven't noticed it being so dramatic, Kyolic... but them maybe I'm daft....

**YellowMelon** · 01-01-2007, 20:05

I usually make him an HA so he can just run around and escape danger if needed.

I have seen times when my gen dies and nothing happens, but I was playing Shields yesterday and he was beating me, and then out of nowhere his gen died and his army chain routed. Every unit. Was good for me but a pain for him :D

**Wolf_Kyolic** · 01-06-2007, 10:19

Originally Posted by YellowMelon

I was playing Shields yesterday and he was beating me, and then out of nowhere his gen died and his army chain routed. Every unit. Was good for me but a pain for him :D

That's what I mean. Happens too much in mtw2.

**Fenix7** · 01-06-2007, 14:28

What? Sun Tzu's book discusses strategy, not tactics. The Art of War has absolutely no relevance to the moral penalty of a Gen. You should re-read the last part of your quote as you are not one of the few.

Nem if you go through the words I wrote then you might notice that when I mentioned The Art of War I didn't have in mind anything with moral penalty of a Gen and as well I have no where mentioned that Sun Tuz's book is discussing tactics. This is how your understanded and interpreted my words. Besides you have left out the Lao Tze.

And Sun Tzu book is not only about strategy. It is a lot more then this.That's the reason why I've mentioned that few understand it.

The few who understand the where people like Hannibal, Nelson, Julius Caesar etc, not the likes of us.

They probably never even heard about Sun Tzu. And beside Hannibal, all others like Aleksander, Caesar, Nelson and many others known in western history have more fortune that many want to admit.

Those who understand it were people like Miyamoto Musashi, and many other martial artist or warriors if you like. There are as well people who live today and they DO understand those words. Of course there is very few of them as mentioned.

Sun Tzu was a martial artist in first place. Befor you want to understand the way of massive battles, you need to understand the situation when you are facing one opponent. Is there any differences between two opponents or two armies? When you are facing many opponents imagine as you are fighting one and when you are facing one opponent imagine as you are fighting many.

I was playing Shields yesterday and he was beating me, and then out of nowhere his gen died and his army chain routed. Every unit. Was good for me but a pain for him :D

I know the feeling Shields.

**Lavos** · 01-06-2007, 22:42

Eh, Chinese and tactics, they had great military philosophers but when it came to practice, they always got their buts kicked, first by Koreans then by Mongols.
Only reason Sun is being tought at military academies is becouse his teachings are theoretical and can be translated through time to modern warefare. Actual military strategy books and reports of the time (byzanitne, turkish...), can't be used now becuse they specificaly state what forces and strategies to use in what situation, but at the time wroten they all were much more usefull than theory. Its same with Clausewitz and Marchiavelli, great theory, but when they it comes to battle it leaves everything open.

**ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88** · 01-01-2007, 20:11

Originally Posted by RTKMercurius

Where do we sign up, Warman? :D jk, jk....

Haven't noticed it being so dramatic, Kyolic... but them maybe I'm daft....

you cool,so no need to sign up

I played against Hannbial from BK and Acunal from CROM, and I killed their gens, but I ended up losing since the morale isn't that strong IMO anyhow..

**Demok** · 01-02-2007, 04:48

I have never noticed the gen dieing being a problem for me.

**RtkBedivere** · 01-02-2007, 05:05

I believe a large factor in this is the state of your troops. If they are fresh they arent going ot mind losing a general to much but the tired/exhusted moral penalties will piggyback with that of losing a general to cause a chain.

My suggestion is just be careful with him. Dont put him somewhere he will die easliy if any of your troops are wavering or shaken. (duh)