Graffiti Mafia [Concluded]

[GeneralHankerchief]

Nice, now I have two votes, neither of them for any good reasons aside from "it sounds like something he would do" or in retaliation. The mafia must be laughing their heads off somewhere.

[Csargo]

Nice, now I have two votes, neither of them for any good reasons aside from "it sounds like something he would do" or in retaliation. The mafia must be laughing their heads off somewhere.

I highly doubt that.

[Dutch_guy]

Hmm, a few things to work with...

Graffiti ideas sound good. This could be a big help to us in the future. Or, possibly a huge hinderance. Since it's clear that only one message has been up today, and we know who it's from, this gives the town an advantage because we know from the get-go the style of the masonic messages.

As for kills, this could be anyone. Someone could either be doing an obvious "screw you" to Kage's curse or not know about it at all. However, going by the mechanics of Kage's kill (armour, lrage, etc.) I'm going to

Vote: Sir Moody

for now.

General, you are one of the most experienced players out there, I fail to understand why you still take heed of kill methods, and for that matter, descriptions. Plus, taking into account the possibility of a counter vote, which you got, I don't quite understand why you didn't go for Ultra instead. You're, at the moment, getting lynched if the lynchings were to take place now.

If you go back and look at my game then you'll notice that neither one of those is my writing style. Nice try though.

Well, prole did say she was hung over

[Proletariat]

If you go back and look at my game then you'll notice that neither one of those is my writing style. Nice try though.

Hence the 'going out of his way'. Where did you steal the idea for your kill from, anywho?

Csar needs to be put to death

[Csargo]

Well, prole did say she was hung over

That's why I didn't vote for her

[Csargo]

Hence the 'going out of his way'. Where did you steal the idea for your kill from, anywho?

Csar needs to be put to death

It came to me in a vision

What's this sudden obsession with my death? Am I that big of a threat to you and your mafioso buddies?

[Sir Boo]

General, you are one of the most experienced players out there, I fail to understand why you still take heed of kill methods, and for that matter, descriptions. Plus, taking into account the possibility of a counter vote, which you got, I don't quite understand why you didn't go for Ultra instead. You're, at the moment, getting lynched if the lynchings were to take place now.

That is a very good point posted by Dutch_guy, why did General not vote in retaliation on Ultra, yet instead voted for Moody?

However at the present time in my view shouldn't jump to any conclusions...

[Proletariat]

Unvote: Csar

Hrm HM HM.

Still nothing to go on at all, so I'll Vote: Sir Moody to try and keep GH around.

[Reenk Roink]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

It would certainly serve as one means of avoiding the Kommodus Detective service.

Hm, possibly. I guess it remains to be seen how ol' Reenk does plan to communicate, if not with words. All-smilies, perhaps? Encrypted messages? Hieroglyphics?

Heh. I'd be on top of all of those in no time flat.

Reenk, since you cannot talk with words, please post a yes smiley or a no-smiley based on the answer to this question... Are you role-playing this silence business? (Yes means it's your decision, no means you're doing it because it was assigned to you; Means none of the above).

+

well in the classic style of my mentor Reenk im going to have to

Vote: General hankerchief

in retaliation...

Kagemusha woke up because he heard a loud pounding at his door.

"Who is it?" Kage grumbled.

"SILENCE PEON! YOU HAVE HEREBY BEEN FOUND GUILTY AND ARE SENTENCED TO IMPRISONMENT IN THE DUNGEON!"

Kage opened the door. Standing there was a lrage man dressed in a full suit of armour.

"Um, guilty of what?"

"LITTERING."

"Littering?"

"LITTERING. YOU'RE FATE HAS BEEN DECIDED. DO YOU HAVE A DUNGEON?"

"Dungeon? Um... no."

"NO DUNGEON? WELL THEN, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'LL HAVE TO PAY THE PENALTY."

"Penalty?"

"YES." And the man in the suit of armour took out out a sword and cut Kage's head off.

He went back to his carriage and got in where his faithfull lizard was waiting for him.

"SO FAR, SO GOOD, FLUFFY" he said to his lizard. ANd the carriage sped away.

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1) GeneralHankerchief
2) Kommodus
3) Reenk Roink

Vote: General Hankerchief

[Sir Moody]

ok what is with prole - she normally lurks with few posts but suddenly shes rabidly going after csar and then for no real reason unvotes him and goes for me...

unvote: General hankerchief
Vote: Prole

just too odd to ignore

[GeneralHankerchief]

I voted for Sir Moody because I think he's a mafioso, whereas Ultra is just acting like Ultra. Retaliation votes solve nothing.

And yes, I have always paid attention to kill descriptions, especially in the first round. If you don't believe me, examine the last two games (Csar's and Sir Moody's). Even if I'm wrong at least we usually get some valuable information from the host on how much they write, and it starts some discussion.

(edit for slight grammar error)

[Dutch_guy]

And yes, I have always paid attention to kill descriptions, especially in the first round. If you don't believe me, examine the last two games (Csar's and Sir Moody's). Even if I'm wrong at least we usually get some valuable information from the host on how much they write, and it starts some discussion.

(edit for slight grammar error)

Well, I didn't state you never paid attention to the kill descriptions (I'm willing to believe you on that) but rather that they aren't as important (mafia catching wise) as many of us thought in the very first few mafia games. Writing style, though, is as you correctly stated an important factor of a kill. And that should be discussed, not the appearance of the murderer - which rarely ever gives us an insight as to who the mafioso might be.

While you may think the murderer, by the appearance of the murderer, is Sir Moody, I'd say the appearance could point to just about any player. Not one name per sé.

[Sir Boo]

In response to Generals post this does answer a few questions why you didnt vote in retaliation...

ok what is with prole - she normally lurks with few posts but suddenly shes rabidly going after csar and then for no real reason unvotes him and goes for me...

After looking up the last mafia game Proletariat was in she did indeed spend most of the time making very few posts until she was killed. However in this mafia she seems to be behaving completely differently. By making a vast number of posts. For now, unless more evidence appears I will be voting...

Vote Proletariat

(Edited to Bold Generals name)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Writing style, though, is as you correctly stated an important factor of a kill. And that should be discussed, not the appearance of the murderer - which rarely ever gives us an insight as to who the mafioso might be.

While you may think the murderer, by the appearance of the murderer, is Sir Moody, I'd say the appearance could point to just about any player. Not one name per sé.

I don't get the difference. Writing style factors in appearence. Sure, there's a lot more to it than that, but the mechanics of that kill (British spelling of "armour", a few spelling mistakes) points to Sir Moody. Besides, it being the first round, there is little else to go on.

[Kommodus]

The writing style of the first kill would seem to point to one of the following:

Sigurd Fafnesbane
Reenk Roink
GeneralHankerchief
Divine Wind

They've been the ones who have written odd theme-kills in the past. Obviously the killer could intend for us to think this way. Remember how Seamus used the Bible-references to start a wild goose-chase after those who had biblical knowledge in Mafia V?

As DG says, going by kill description is not the best idea. It's the mafia who write the kills, and they're more likely to try to mislead than give clues.

Going back over Sasaki's rules, it looks like we have four bad guys (including discovery1) and four good guys (3 Masons plus the soothsayer). However, one of the bad guys can't be lynched, which means our chances of killing a good guy may be slightly higher.

Obviously, at any given point we don't know how many good guys are still alive, since they may be killed by the mafia. However, since this is the first turn, I think the odds are pretty good that all of the good guys are still out there.

Also, despite the smaller-than-usual number of players, we may have more chances to lynch the mafia than we think. Remember this rule?

There are three mafia (besides godfather). They will start with 2 kills a night, but if one of them dies they will only have one kill a night. They can choose not to kill. They can't choose to kill eachother.

As soon as one of the mafia is lynched, they drop down to one kill per turn.

All these things considered, I'd like to give the masons one more turn to gather useful information. Until more data is available,

Vote: No Lynch

P.S. Looks like I guessed correctly about Reenk's new mode of communication...

[JimBob]

Kommodus makes a good case for not lynching this turn. Numbers are not in our favor.

Vote: No Lynch

[AggonyDuck]

According to the opinions stated above both in my post and Kommodus' post, I will join the no lynch crowd.

Vote: No Lynch

[Dutch_guy]

I don't get the difference. Writing style factors in appearence. Sure, there's a lot more to it than that, but the mechanics of that kill (British spelling of "armour", a few spelling mistakes) points to Sir Moody. Besides, it being the first round, there is little else to go on.

Well, since last game (when the difference between US and British spelling was highlighted) I don't even pay attention to those anymore either. It's just to simple for a mafioso to make such a 'mistake' and lead to town astray.

PS: Wouldn't it be better for us townies to lynch a lurker, instead of a somewhat active player ? If it is, that said, not better to vote No lynch this round ?

[Csargo]

Unvote:Abstain
Vote:GH

[Reenk Roink]

The writing style of the first kill would seem to point to one of the following:

Sigurd Fafnesbane
Reenk Roink
GeneralHankerchief
Divine Wind

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1) GeneralHankerchief
2) Kommodus
3) Reenk Roink

[JimBob]

Adding on to Kommodus's logic

There will also be other roles besides those listed in this post.

And I doubt that its 'Secret Extra Mafia Members 1-15'

[Al Khalifah]

I'm rather of the opinion that a lynch reveals more useful information for the town than no lynch at all. Its as unlikely that we'd lynch someone who is from the pro-town side in a specialist role as it is that they'd be a mafioso. Most likely we'll just lynch a random. And speculation towards their potential lynching can bring out a guilty one into making a mistake to reveal their true identity.

I'm going to say:

Vote: Dutch guy

[Caius]

Thats all?

I will cry.

[Ituralde]

I was gonna try to write some insightful argument about how it's better to not lynch anyone on round on, but Kommodus beat me to it. I agree with the points he has made. The firs lynches are often random and tend to kill a pro-townie. With the option of no lynch available one should follow that path and encourage discussion some more.

Vote: No Lynch

Encouragment of discussion will occur once I have more time to post.

[discovery1]

Hmmm....

All this talk gives me a cunning plan.

Mafia, make room in your in boxes.

[Dutch_guy]

I'm going to say:

Vote: Dutch guy

And why is that ?

[Sigurd]

Ooooh…

Killing Kage in the first round are we? I guess the Mafia wants to prove something here.

Reading Sasaki’s rules again it seems the graffiti thing is a special power?
Right now I can’t make sense of it.
As far as I know Loki did not have a specific letter in the Fuþark. Is the grafitti referring to the Norse God at all? Is the Loki reference a clue that we are dealing with an encryption here? Like the letters from a certain Loki that have the people of the web chasing this DaVinci code look alike codeword to enter a certain webpage before the time is up .. http://www.vanishingpointgame.com/..

The wording does suggest that we should sit tight and wait for further instructions though.

While we wait another tidbit of information from Sasaki’s rules says Discovery1 will choose his henchmen.
Well.. We now know that the mafia has not been chosen randomly. We have to ask ourselves; who would discovery choose?
I pressed him for this information in the chat .. was it yesterday? .. and he replied:
Prole, Csar and Husar.

I am inclined to believe that he would not name any of his henchmen to me in the chat… or ?
Discovery has been mafia before and has something to prove this time as he is quite hair sore from that experience. I am inclined to believe that he has at least one experienced Mafioso in his retinue, if not two.

[Husar]

Let us think.

1. The Godfather chooses his henchmen, for reference, read the opening post.
2. Reenk indicates Kommodus may be guilty.
3. Kommodus does not mention any of his "methods" and calls Reenk suspicious.
4. Kommodus wants no lynch.

Now the discoman might have chosen Kommodus to get rid of that evil "method" that is supposed to find mafiosi, who knows?

But I'd like some thoughts from others on that before jumping to conclusions.

[Masy]

No suspicions as yet, Vote: Abstain for now.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Let us think.

1. The Godfather chooses his henchmen, for reference, read the opening post.
2. Reenk indicates Kommodus may be guilty.
3. Kommodus does not mention any of his "methods" and calls Reenk suspicious.
4. Kommodus wants no lynch.

Now the discoman might have chosen Kommodus to get rid of that evil "method" that is supposed to find mafiosi, who knows?

But I'd like some thoughts from others on that before jumping to conclusions.

Very good point.

Pro - Kommodus is an experienced player, with a noted series of methods that have been proven to find mafiosi. Disco might want to harness this ability.

Con - Kommodus has become something of a target for both the mafia and villagers of late (Interficio, anyone?). Would Disco risk K falling under suspicion for managing to stay alive for so long?

My vote still stays.