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    I'm playing M2TW unpatched; just got it over Christmas and wanted to try it out before I tinkered with it.

    I played a M/M Spain game quickly to unlock the factions and then eventually settled on a M/VH England game. I wanted to play it slow and let the AI build up so I could have some nice defensive battles and some real challenges on the campaign map. I particularly looked forward to fighting off the Scots and French.

    Sadly, that corner of the world seems to be incredibly comatose. I finally accepted trade rights with the French, but consistently refused it from the Scots, who never seemed to get upset despite the ridiculous demands I made on their diplomat. They'd ask for trade rights all nice and sweet and I'd demand tons of money per turn, map info, accept or we will attack. Their response: "Oh, alright then. Maybe next time."

    I watched dumbfounded as the French idiotically sent tiny forces to take nearby rebel settlements -- and lost every time.

    The Scots didn't make a *single* move with their military units beyond their borders. Inverness and York remained rebel until I finally took York about 20 turns in.

    Meanwhile, just to rub salt in the wound, I was getting intriguing news about wars in Germany, excommunications, betrayals. Finally the HRE was destroyed, leaving the Danes, Poles and Venetians to pick at the spoils. But over in northwestern Europe it was naptime.

    Around 30 turns in I called it quits and started up a VH/VH Scots campaign. My goal was the same -- let the AI build up, hold off from conquering provinces, and hope for some aggressive behavior from my neighbors.

    Nothing.

    Same scenario as above: the English AI would send a pitiful force to attack York; the rebels would counterattack and drive them away. That happened a couple times in the first 15 or 20 turns and then the English just gave up. From then on the only action I saw around Nottingham was their princess constantly getting on and off the same boat every single turn. They had sent a half-stack of forces into Wales and I thought "finally! they'll *do* something!" But no. After sitting in the mountains for around 10 turns the English half-stack turned rebel and hopped into Caernarvon.

    France did a little better this time, although it still took forever for them to take Rennes and Bordeaux. Eventually I took Inverness (waiting until the last minute to accomplish my mission), and then I had some fun when a Crusade was called to Jerusalem. I sent an army by ship down to France, marched through Germany to the Adriatic sea, hired some boats, and sailed to Jerusalem, taking the city before anyone else got there. My king got awesome piety and cool traits - "Edward the Crusader". Finally, I thought; if nothing's going to happen in Britain there will surely be some action HERE -- I'm surrounded and outnumbered by a hostile population in unfamiliar lands. I anticipated some great defensive showdowns against a horde of Egyptian warriors.

    Not exactly.

    After I took Jerusalem, the Egyptians sent a diplomat begging for a ceasefire. I was amazed to see that it was considered "Generous" for me to ask for Acre in return for a simple ceasefire! The Egyptians moved their full stack out of Acre while I moved in, and then proceeded to sit outside the town, not doing anything.

    What am I doing wrong? Why are the AI factions such wimps? Why won't they send decent forces to attack rebel armies? Why won't they attack ME, even on VH? Is it because I play defensively, and the AI follows your lead? Is it because I haven't installed the patch? Is it just a quirk of playing England or Scotland?

    I haven't even really played around with the battles that much because the map has been so godawfully peaceful.

    I'd really like to hear if anyone else is experiencing very quiet, BORING campaign maps, what difficulty, and what faction. I'd also like to hear -- actually I'd PREFER to hear -- from those of you who are having great, interesting, challenging campaigns, and how you think you ended up with them.

    Anyway, thanks for any replies. I wish my first post about this game didn't have to be so negative in tone, but I really want to *react* to the AIs moves rather than watching the AI ineptly attempt to react to mine. I figured VH difficulty would get me there, but it doesn't seem to be the case. Hopefully some of you will be able to prove me wrong...

    CountMRVHS

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    Default Re: Peaceful British isles

    That sounds highly irregular to me. In all of my campaigns I'm constantly forced to expand to eliminate the war-happy AI. In fact, I think the AI is actually hardcoded to declare war on the player if he's at peace for ten turns or something (on VH campaign mode). Start another campaign and see if it happens again, it could just be an anomoly.

    P.S. Download the patch, it makes the AI use naval invasions so the British Isles won't be quite so boring
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    Hi,

    It is because you are playing in M/M. Do not complain it is good. The AI show some signs of inteligence: Do not refuse cease-fire if only 1 city and 1000 enemys at his gate; attack with 1000 peasants...

    In H/H or VH/VH the AI just attack you, and attack, and attack, without units or a chance to win. Just attack. This is boring!

    Fabiano

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    Default Re: Peaceful British isles

    actually ive watched the ai get really aggressive even on medium - basically you arnt aggressive enough.

    The AI seems to have a "needs" list when it comes to rebel cities at the begining - if you take one of these cities they god help you then will go mad - as the scots rushing to york will produce this with the Enlgish most the time - with the English taking the rebel cities either side of Caen will usually provoke a responce from France - and as the danes if you take hamburg before the germans they will hound you - if you dont they ingore you until you attack them...

    never understood why they act like this but they do...
    Last edited by Sir Moody; 01-03-2007 at 23:09.

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    It is a peaceful place.I'm playing a passive-agressive campaign as the English, ie. I sit around doing nothing until I get attacked and then all hell breaks loose on that faction. I got the rebel settlements at York, Caernarfon, Rennes, Bruges and Antwerp. Then I had nowhere to go so sat around stealing generals with princesses. I decided to leave Inverness and Dublin to the Scots, yet it must have taken them 100 turns if not more for them to conquer even Inverness. They keep having on-off wars with the Danes that result in nothing at all.

    However, elsewhere, the French have besieged me resulting in some heavy military defeats for them before a ceasefire and Angers came my way. Same with the Germans, from who I got Metz, Hamburg from the Danes and Rheims from the Milanese, all through diplomacy. I went to war again with the French over a failed assasination, and destroyed them by taking Bordeaux. Then the Portuguese decided to attack, so I conquered them in Zaragoza and marched through Spanish lands and took Cordoba - they were not willing to hand anything over via diplomacy so we are still at war. Then the Hungarians attacked me, offered a ceasefire (without fighting a battle) and gave me Bern.

    The only lands that seem to be under contention are Iberia, Central Europe and Turkey. Everywhere else is usually peaceful - just looks like everyone guns for the HRE, and the French are always lookingto expand their borders.

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    Howdy!
    Here's how my campain is going at the moment. As the HRE i've managed to eliminate Sicily and Milan, while the English killed of the french. I've managed to expand my empire throughout the middle section of the campain map and down into Africa. I control all of italy as well, except for Rome of course. I'm on year 1215 i believe too. For almost every turn i've had to fight somebody off, mostly the Venitians or the Milanese. Everyone is more than happy to declare war on me, often more than one faction per turn is trying to kick my butt. And i haven't even installed the patch yet.
    I've tried to keep my killing sprees on the low side just to make it more interesting. And i probably didn't even have to do it. I'm having a blast playing as the HRE, as i'm assailed on all sides. So the AI in my game is definetly not passive. And that's my
    In those simple times there was a great wonder and mystery in life. Man walked in fear and solemnity, with Heaven very close above his head, and Hell below his very feet. -Sir Nigel

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    Default Re: Peaceful British isles

    Awesome. Thanks for the replies everyone. It looks like I need to be a bit more aggressive then, and/or try a different faction.

    Keep the stories coming though!

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