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Thread: Pope Doesn't Like My Gifts Of Land
Chosun 20:00 01-12-2007
That pisses me off sometimes. The Pope can't seem to hold onto the cities that I gift him for very long. Then I gotta go back and retake it for him again. So hard to maintain a buffer.........lazy guy

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Skott 22:21 01-12-2007
I find building the city back up after exterminating it helps. Namely the barracks type. The pope is limited by what building is in the city to build troops from. Also if you want him to maintain the city as a buffer its good to increase the gifts of florin to help him maintain a standing army in that city until he has a good control of the economy. His management skills are nowhere near as good as other factions or your own. So far I have found he does a better job at maintaining European territories better than MiddleEastern territories. I dont know if thats intended design or what.

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Chosun 17:16 01-15-2007
I found that the Pope loses land that I gift him if it doesn't directly touch my land. I gave him some pretty teched up cities and he still finds a way to lose them if they are not touching my borders. He also gets bankrupt very quickly. What's up with that? He starts out with Boundless wealth but then goes downhill rather quickly. Talk about corruptin in the church.

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Von Nanega 14:47 01-16-2007
I believe the Popes army is expensive, and most of the money the Church has at start goes quickly to pay for it. Imagine you have an army of Chivalric knights, Retinue Longbowmen and Chivaric dismounted knights and only one city. Funds would go fast!

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Chosun 09:08 01-18-2007
Doesn't the Pope get any kind of money from the other Catholic factions? Kinda like tithing or something? He sure can't survive on the income of just one city and at least in my campaigns, he is not very aggressive in expanding out. So I have to subsidize all of his property accumulation.

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Von Nanega 10:56 01-18-2007
Originally Posted by Chosun:
Doesn't the Pope get any kind of money from the other Catholic factions? Kinda like tithing or something? He sure can't survive on the income of just one city and at least in my campaigns, he is not very aggressive in expanding out. So I have to subsidize all of his property accumulation.
Probably gets money the same way from other factions as he gets it from you. As for expanding, I would hazard the guess in about 1 in 6 games the Holy Popeness will get the expansion bug. I have seen the Vatican one time controlling all of Italy, I did not give the Vatican any of those cities either!

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FrauGloer 11:39 01-18-2007
Originally Posted by Von Nanega:
Probably gets money the same way from other factions as he gets it from you. As for expanding, I would hazard the guess in about 1 in 6 games the Holy Popeness will get the expansion bug. I have seen the Vatican one time controlling all of Italy, I did not give the Vatican any of those cities either!
I doubt that this is a bug. After all, why shouldn't he expand? In one of my games, the pope expanded, too, but only after being attacked by the sicilians. He took all of Sicily's mainland posessions (Naples, Palermo, Bologna, and Florence), but never attacked anyone else (except for joining a crusade or two). Only in one game ever did he actually expand on his own, taking Florence from the rebels, but nothing more.

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