Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[Moros]

RMD, what you got to say? You can say it was just an easy remark, but you gotta admit that TS's information has been pretty correct.

EDit: wiseguys not counted, how manny mafia do we have left?

[Pannonian]

He's continually suggested a double suicide to prove his innocence, not me. He's suggesting it on the knowledge that no-one will call his bluff - an empty promise. I'm saying if he wants to suicide to prove his innocence, then go ahead, it's odd to expect someone to join you, as a 'bargain'.

He won't be powerless as a lone Don - he can recruit & act as a Made.

Pevergreen might well be the Don of that family. It's one of the reasons why we're lynching him.

Either Pannionian made a mistake in posting it up, or MRD sent it to the wrong guy. Why Pannionian didn't mention or spot that he was being approached as a Don much earlier is a question worth asking. I am & shall continue to ask it.

Do you realise there are several contradictions in your accusations here? As for your continuing to ask the question - I'm not going to bother answering until you're going to listen to the answer and go through the logic of it, instead of trying to twist it so your conclusion that I'm guilty can be proved, whatever my answer. Suffice it to say the answer to that particular question is in the open already, for those who are willing to read. As are the answers to the other questions, and if you don't trust my answers, you can always ask other people, as I've suggested.

[The Stranger]

@Moros... MRD is dead, he has nothing to say to it :P


Family one
Pevergreen: Don (dead)
GeneralHankerchief: Luca (dead)
MRD: Made (dead)

Family two
???: Don
???: Luca
Beirut: Made (dead)

Family three
???: Don
???: Luca
???: Made

Kralizec: Don (dead)
Stig: Wise Guy (dead)

[AggonyDuck]

Kralizec was the don of Beirut's family. We lynched him due to his little mix up.

[The Stranger]

Alright... so who is their Luca? Any suggestions?

[Moros]

So we almost got the corleone family and tagatalia family...

[The Stranger]

No... wait a minute... Kralizec is Corleone Don? Then he's not of the same family as Beirut...

[Redleg]

Intertesting revalation with Pevergreen's death and his last words. He has played me for the patsy. It makes me wonder the list of contacts that he stated were townies are indeed townies. It casts a pale light on my actions, because I have been tainted by being associated with a mafia member.

More to ponder upon this deep dark night......

[Moros]

huh? wierd...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Where are you guys getting the family name information from?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Intertesting revalation with Pevergreen's death and his last words. He has played me for the patsy. It makes me wonder the list of contacts that he stated were townies are indeed townies. It casts a pale light on my actions, because I have been tainted by being associated with a mafia member.

More to ponder upon this deep dark night......

This is interesting, what was his contact list?


Also, does anyone know why the lynch description was so informative?

[Caius]

I dont know.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Also, does anyone know why the lynch description was so informative?

It could be because pevergreen no longer cared knowing he was going to die. If I was an evil criminal then I would reveal everything before my death! Also, perhaps he took the time to write it?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I suggest you copy and past this and paste it in a textfile, it makes reading it easier.

So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? hello, hello, yes yes
hi
watch in amazement as i get lynched
you watch or i?
Pfsh... you did an even worse job in defending yourself than I :P
lol
Really... you made a fatal mistake... first I was criminal... and later innocent...
i saw that
dam
ehhehe...
cant believe i didnt look over it
Hmm... so what was i?
no idea
kk
ehehhe... Knew it... yur no detective...
how about a deal
tell me
i reveal who i am, and my death speach
and you dont tell anyone, or hint to it, until im dead
ok
right
lets see if you can work it out off my death speech
spill it :)
"You killed my Luca, you killed my Made, your lynching me, but one still remains. Who is it you think, As you sip on your drinks. You killed all Corlones, [Omnious voice]But One still roams....[/omnious voice]"
Don...
should be drink
not so hard...
lol
yeah
You really revealed too much in our first convo...
meh
after my luca died
I knew it from that on... I never trusted you :P
Oke... I'll keep my word.
bloody Hanky
should have stayed alive longer
hmm... well... go any more info... and I keep my mouth shut till just before who do you think my made was?
Beirut
bah
or maybe MRD
hes another family
oke.

I knew they were mafia all along
mrd
oke...

nevermind, I translated The_strangers chat convo and it seems pever did write the death speech.

[Kagemusha]

Very intresting.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Very intresting.

So what have you been up to lately Kage?

[CountArach]

Interesting, I agree, but it doesn't really reveal anything we didn't already know...

[Moros]

So what now's gonna happen. Anyone information or clues on someon being mafia. We might have been succesfull in the past but I'm having the feeling we're running low on suspects and clues...

[Kagemusha]

So what have you been up to lately Kage?

Nothing much reading the thread and listening rumours.I guess im pretty locked on place in this game.Nobody trusts me and i think im pretty soon dead.

[GeneralHankerchief]

So what now's gonna happen. Anyone information or clues on someon being mafia. We might have been succesfull in the past but I'm having the feeling we're running low on suspects and clues...

*points at list*

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Nothing much reading the thread and listening rumours.I guess im pretty locked on place in this game.Nobody trusts me and i think im pretty soon dead.

Why does no one trust you? They have good reason not too?

[Moros]

GH's list I guess and the fact he was close to GH.

However I trust you, but not completly, hell I even doubt myself...

[The Stranger]

Pannonian and Andres are still suspicious.

@CountArach

I didnt reveal things we did not know. But we now know them for sure.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So what now's gonna happen. Anyone information or clues on someon being mafia. We might have been succesfull in the past but I'm having the feeling we're running low on suspects and clues...

I don't think any detectives have turned up dead yet. We have enough townie roles to win this easily.

Currently my plan is to coast along casually going after people until the WoG weeds out lurkers. Then we can get down to business. I'm thinking Seamus won't wrath of god those who have been active through pm but inactive in the thread. We can guess that those people will be mafia.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Pannonian and Andres are still suspicious.

What's suspicious about pannonian and andres?

[Andres]

Also, anyone else get an interesting PM from Andres last night? A few rounds ago he PMed me to vote for Kralizec and I'd get an 'in' with his family. I was jumping on the bandwagon against Kral anyway, so I wrote back saying I wouldn't be a part of it unless I knew a more about his family or what his goals were. Yesterday he writes back saying basically 'vote for pevergreen, or I'll quote your response in the game thread.'

I thought that was a pretty poor attempt at blackmail, but it's interesting that Andres wanted Kral dead badly, and now has it in for pevergreen. pevergreen looks plenty guilty to me anyhow, don't really see the need for Andres to go around garnering votes.

Well, well, well. Proletariat wants me dead...

I'll tell the town some thingies...

Just a reminder : my time zone is GMT +1 (Brussels, Paris)

I PM'd Proletariat on the 24th of January at 9:16 am

At that time, the vote tally was as follows:

I'm convinced.

Vote: Pevergreen

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

pevergreen - 9 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit,AndresTheCunning, Sasaki, Xiahou, Papewaio, Destroyer of Hope, Stranger, Pindar)
AndresTheCunning - 5 ( Luigi VI di Fatlington, Moros, CountArach, BKS)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Abstain - 4 (Alexander, ByzantineKnight, Destroyer of Hope, Kommodus)
Sasaki - 2 (pevergreen, Pannonian)
Reenk Roink - 1 (Reenk Roink)
No Lynch - 1 (Caius)

9 for pevergreen - 5 for me. Seamus posted that this day would en at 14h00 his timezone, this means at 20h00 for me. Still 11 hours to go and it was not sure pevergreen would be lynched. So I wanted a bandwagon by the time the players of the other timezons popped up.

Why did I want pevergreen to die so eagerly?

In tempore non suspecto (when I was not yet participating in the game) Kralizec informed me he was 90 % sure pevergreen was mafia (from another family). After seeing his suspicious "investigation results" I was convinced he was mafia.

So I pm'd Proletariat this at 9.16 am:

1. Jump on the bandwagon and vote pevergreen
2. pm me your role description.


I assume you don't want this to appear in the Capo thread, do you?

What was this "this"? Well it was a pm Proletariat sent to me in tempore non suspecto (to be precisely the 19th of January at 19:29) to be deliverd at my "mafia contact", id est Kralizec

Here is the pm:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Hello Proletariat,

I apologize for the condescending tone, I didn't mean it like that. I did mean to let you in once you've started to kill for us. I also apologize for what Ichigo did, I messed up the PMs so that he went after you.
If you're willing to forgive me, we need your help pretty badly.
Reenk Roink is one of my potential recruits who I've been talking to. He's (almost) tied with Krazilec when it comes to votes so the result is a little uncertain. If Krazilec is lynched he'll be the scapegoat for this PM episode. Vote for him and I'll bring you into our family.

Signed,
A mafioso

To the mafioso,

No need to apologize, I was trying to get a rise out of the mysterious group that contacted so many players, nothing was meant by what I said in the thread.

I have placed my vote on Kral and willl leave it there for now, but I'm still a little skeptical about what I'm getting into here. What family is this? What's your faction's goal? How can I help?

prole

[/QUOTE]

Now, why would Kralizec have asked for Proletariat to vote for him? Check this thread and specifically the posts made by that time. Things were going pretty bad for Kralizec. He was about to get lynched. He thought Proletariat didn't want to cooperate and thus he thought I'll say to vote Kralizec and then she will vote for somebody else. Apparently Proletariat was willing to cooperate with the mafia and she voted Kralizec... Don Kralizec gambled and lost.

To prove it was Kralizec who wrote the legendary PM's, I'll tell you this :

Kralizec was surprised that I had joined the game and he wrote this to me:

Je speelt nu zelf mee?
ff iets dat me meteen opvalt:

Andres should be kept alive this night with a promise to inform the town who he was sending the PM's for if he survives the night. If he fails to provide that information as soon as the night phase is done, for the sake of timing, 4 hours after the Night Phase write-up is posted. If he doesn't provide the information we can always vote to lynch him that day or the next, all depending if his information warrants a detective to investigate or not.

But that is just my idea.

Redleg was een van de personen die onze PM's gekregen heeft.
Het is goed mogelijk dat hij GeneralHankerchief heeft vermoord - GH was een van zijn toegestane slachtoffers in de PM.

-Kralizec

I'll translate the Dutch: You're part of the game now? Something that grabbed my attention - the quote from Redleg - Redleg was one of the persons who got our PM's. It's perfectly possible he was the one that killed GeneralHankerchief. GH was one of the victims allowed in the PM.

So, to conclude:

1. Proletariat was eager to cooperate with the mob which means she is a) a Wise Gal b) a townie playing pro-mafia ==> Lynch her
2) I did get the already legendary PM's from Kralizec
3) Redleg has something to explain.


Now, you all know that with the revealing of this information before the night has ended, I risk my life.

So yes I kept this information for myself because I wanted to be 100 % sure pevergreen got lynched. If not by convincing the townies, then by blackmailing.

To prove I'm pro town I don't wait until the night has expired but I give this information now.

Maybe they won't kill me so you'll all start to think I lied. Maybe they are afraid for what else information I might have (which saddenly isn't the case) and they will take no further risk and kill me.

I think I have sufficiently proven my innocence and have been more cooperative towards the town then many of you who are playing this game since the very start.

Yes Louis the Fat, maybe I am a wiseguy, but read the rules carefully and you'll see that a Wiseguy can decide to join the Light Side of the Force. Until now, you have been doing nothing else then spreading wild accusations, meanwhile leaving alot of lurkers at rest... Why?

You also weren't correct about the time I got my role PM.

Instead of speculations and wild accusations, it might be better to come with clear facts.

Only look at the facts and who should be lynched or at least investigated?

- Redleg
- The Stranger
- Proletariat

Add to that this strange event, and we have some people who have to elaborate on some things, namely:

- Byzantine Knight
- Caius Flaminius
- TheStranger
- Stig (a dead wiseguy whose soul needs to confess )


I would like to remind all of you that I suspect a new strategy: spamming this thread so that vital information gets lost and people who don't spend all day behind the pc will miss it and will just jump on the bandwagon. So if I see spamming, I will just copy paste this post as many times as necessary so that everybody has the chance to read it.

I rest my case... for now...

[Kagemusha]

Why does no one trust you? They have good reason not too?

Well you tell me.Our conversations havent been that long alltogether either. Guess as the first person who had to tell he is a wiseguy.My role is to read the thread,listen rumours and point out guilty people when i see them.Like i did with Pevergreen last day.

[Caius]

To AndresTheNotCunning

The thing happened in that page was explained one and other time
BK made a sliiy mistake, and i quoted he.
then we all edit our posts.

[Moros]

Andres, interesting pm's you have.

[The Stranger]

Andres... its not smart to point your finger at me for I'll bite it off right away.

We'll see who get's lynched next day...