Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[Pindar]

General Question: (I want to be clear about game mechanics) Each mafia family has a wolf and then there is 'the wolf' so there would be four wolves? Is this correct? Wolves are investigators and protectors of bad guys only or can they perform hits? Also, is there a difference in investigative power between a wolf and a detective/FBI guy?

[Pindar]

Originally Posted by Seamus
Director of the Committee of Vigilance:
On the first day phase, and then on each odd numbered day phase thereafter, the town elects the person who will direct the lynching effort. That person shall be director for the next two lynchings following their selection (e.g. Elected Day 1, Director Day 2, Director Day 3, Elected Day 3, Director Day 4 & 5, etc.).
a) The Director will choose the lynching mode, carry out the lynching, and, in the event of a tie vote, the director will decide who among those tied for the most votes will be executed. The director can execute none, one, more, or all of those tied votees at their discretion. The Director is provided with a special goon squad to aid in the executions, and this squad also makes it impossible to kill the Director while they are in office. While directing the lynchings, the individual in question may not vote.
b) Investigations will function as per the Director’s other Role.
c) Ability to act at night is a function of the Director’s other Role.

Seamus something that's bothering me is this.



It doesn't say whether the Director can be lynched.

Doesn't the part I bolded in the quote say the Director can't be killed while in office (which would cover lynchings)? Doesn't this undercut all the votes to lynch Sasaki who is the current Director?

[Csargo]

Doesn't the part I bolded in the quote say the Director can't be killed while in office (which would cover lynchings)?

Well then there's a lot of people wasting their votes since Sasaki is the Director. Just thought I'de bring that up.

Edit:Well that could mean kill at night Pindar that's what I'm trying to figure out.

[Pannonian]

Read Beirut's lynching scene.

[Pindar]

Well then there's a lot of people wasting their votes since Sasaki is the Director. Just thought I'de bring that up.

Edit:Well that could mean kill at night Pindar that's what I'm trying to figure out.

I think "can't be killed while they are in office" means they are invulnerable until a new election as they hold the office until a replacement is named. I think this is inclusive (both day and night).

[Csargo]

Read Beirut's lynching scene.

Well that really doesn't tell anything since that was Beirut's last day as Director after Redleg had been selected, but you could be right. I'll wait and see what Seamus says.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Lynch: The Stranger

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Sasaki - 3 (Redleg, Kage,Warluster)
Redleg - 3 (Orb, Sasaki, Crazed Rabbit)
The Stranger - 4 (Pannonian, prole, JimBob, Alexander the Pretty Good)
Destroyer of Hope - 1 (Hugh)
Abstain - 2 (Omanes, Moros)

[Redleg]

Results so far are in my initial reveal. Haven't received any today.

I didn't reveal before because I couldn't be sure of protection and I was trying to get Kral's last mafioso.

Redleg, there isn't anything duplicitous about that pm exchange. I looked into warluster. Aggony said he was probably ok, I wasn't convinced. I looked some more, figured he's ok. Ta-dah.

So you can look into the actions of another, but no-one can look into your actions. That is an interesting comment to consider.

[Csargo]

Beirut(guilty mafia made),
ByzantineKnight(unknown),
Cowhead418(unknown),
General Hankerchief(Mafia Luca),
Hepcat(unknown WoGed),
HughTower(unknown),
Ignoramus(WoGed),
Kommodus(unknown),
Kralizec(Mafia Don),
Pevergreen(mafia Don),
Redleg(Unknown),
Reenk Roink(unknown),
Sasaki Kojiro(unknown),
Sir Moody(townie),
The Stranger(unknown),
Ultrawar(murdered)
Zalmoxis(WoGed)

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Seamus something that's bothering me is this.



It doesn't say whether the Director can be lynched. Since he's the one that was elected he shouldn't be able to be killed while he's Director, should he?

Directors can be lynched -- as was Beirut -- but may not be killed at night.

Edit: Sorry Pindar, my phraseology is off a bit, and too much ambiguity crept in. My original intent -- from the inception of the role -- is as stated above.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

General Question: (I want to be clear about game mechanics) Each mafia family has a wolf and then there is 'the wolf' so there would be four wolves? Is this correct? Wolves are investigators and protectors of bad guys only or can they perform hits? Also, is there a difference in investigative power between a wolf and a detective/FBI guy?

It is not possible for me to answer this question at this time.

[ByzantineKnight]

Vote: Sasaki

[Xiahou]

Xiahou was heavily occupied in Graffiti Mafia, in which he was the sole remaining mafioso for much of the game. Give him a chance to recover before increasing his participation in this one.

Thanks, you saved me from saying it. Even if I hadn't been tied up, the sheer volume of posts in this thread make it very difficult to stay on top of.

General Question: (I want to be clear about game mechanics) Each mafia family has a wolf and then there is 'the wolf' so there would be four wolves? Is this correct? Wolves are investigators and protectors of bad guys only or can they perform hits? Also, is there a difference in investigative power between a wolf and a detective/FBI guy?

My guess would be that there's only one wolf- as in a lone wolf. That's how I took it anyway... but I could be wrong.

I'm still mulling my lynch vote at this point, Sasaki hasn't convinced me of his innocence yet, but Redleg may not be clean either. Then The Stranger, who perhaps appropriately, has been acting strange pretty much the whole game- frankly, Im amazed he wasn't lynched by now.

Just to get something on paper:
Vote: Abstain
But that's likely to change.

[JimBob]

New information is on its way in. And to prevent myself from voting for someone who may be innocent until I know for sure...
Unvote: The Stranger
Vote: Abstain

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Sasaki - 3 (Redleg, Kage,Warluster)
Redleg - 3 (Orb, Sasaki, Crazed Rabbit)
The Stranger - 3 (Pannonian, prole, Alexander the Pretty Good)
Destroyer of Hope - 1 (Hugh)
Abstain - 3 (Omanes, Moros, JimBob)

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Night-kill group for AndresTheCunning
1. The Stranger
2. Warluster
3. Moros
4. ?

I wonder who number four is too. I know he asked me to join, but I turned him down - he was too suspicious. Although I still trust that he is townie and perhaps another one of his gang is detective or rouge detective -that is where he is getting his information from.

After he asked me to kill Andres I was concerned, is he really who he says he is. I presume the answer to that is yes as I am yet to see any conclusive evidence against him or for him.

[Warluster]

I have already told veryone who was the fourth person in the group, on page 56 or 55, just look at the bottom of the page

[ByzantineKnight]

Sasaki - 3 (Redleg, Kage,Warluster)
Redleg - 3 (Orb, Sasaki, Crazed Rabbit)
The Stranger - 3 (Pannonian, prole, Alexander the Pretty Good)
Destroyer of Hope - 1 (Hugh)
Abstain - 3 (Omanes, Moros, JimBob)

You forgot me.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Sasaki - 4 (Redleg, Kage,Warluster,ByzantineKnight)
Redleg - 3 (Orb, Sasaki, Crazed Rabbit)
The Stranger - 3 (Pannonian, prole, Alexander the Pretty Good)
Destroyer of Hope - 1 (Hugh)
Abstain - 3 (Omanes, Moros, JimBob)

[Csargo]

You forgot me.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Sasaki - 4 (Redleg, Kage,Warluster,ByzantineKnight)
Redleg - 3 (Orb, Sasaki, Crazed Rabbit)
The Stranger - 3 (Pannonian, prole, Alexander the Pretty Good)
Destroyer of Hope - 1 (Hugh)
Abstain - 3 (Omanes, Moros, JimBob)

You haven't given any good reason for your vote.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

I have already told veryone who was the fourth person in the group, on page 56 or 55, just look at the bottom of the page

There is no page 55 or 56?

[Warluster]

yeah, on this thread, we are on page 57 right now!

[Csargo]

yeah, on this thread, we are on page 57 right now!

Your post isn't at the bottom of 55 or 56

[Pannonian]

New information is on its way in. And to prevent myself from voting for someone who may be innocent until I know for sure...
Unvote: The Stranger
Vote: Abstain

Care to share the information? It was precisely the secret whispers and vouchsafes that led me to join the protection group for pevergreen despite my profound scepticism about him, as you may recall.

The Stranger formed a vigilante group that has provided safe guilty cover for its four members. He refuses to say who the fourth member of that group is, and pressures others not to tell. We're not sure about anyone's guilt as mafia, as often is the case with such games (see Kommodus' exchange with me in the 1st round of Mafia V for an example), but one thing we do know - The Stranger's actions were definitely bad for the town, and his secretiveness has compounded things. For one thing, if the town knew about his upcoming whack of Andres, we might have been able to dissuade him, saving us from 4 rounds of possibly unnecessary lynchings.

Persuasiveness may change, the game's rules do not. Unless there is solid evidence that other people are pro-mafia, there is a solid anti-town case against The Stranger and the other vigilantes. So can you share the informarion so the rest of us can judge for ourselves?

[Warluster]

On page 56, post #1672, theres your answer Pannonian

[Pannonian]

I wonder who number four is too. I know he asked me to join, but I turned him down - he was too suspicious. Although I still trust that he is townie and perhaps another one of his gang is detective or rouge detective -that is where he is getting his information from.

After he asked me to kill Andres I was concerned, is he really who he says he is. I presume the answer to that is yes as I am yet to see any conclusive evidence against him or for him.

The evidence is in the rules. Anyone who has participated in a vigilante killing will thenceforth show up as guilty if investigated by detectives. Imagine the free hand this gives to any mafia members who may have got into that group. Investigation result = guilty? "Oh, I was in The Stranger's group, so I'm clean", even as he kills on the mafia's account every night.

As I've said many times before, the more we bring things out into the open the more difficult things become for the mafia, yet he continues to refuse to name his fourth vigilante (note I pressed for the same in my PM reply to Redleg, wanting him to pressure TS into publicly providing the town with an explanation). Since he still doesn't do so, which we know is harmful to the town's chances, we might as well start the lynches with him. If the mafia win and the last remaining mafia was the fourth member he was hiding, more fool him for trusting him.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

yeah, on this thread, we are on page 57 right now!

I'm, oddly, on page 43. Must have messed up the CP when trying to get to understand it.

[Pannonian]

On page 56, post #1672, theres your answer Pannonian

Edit: Just realised I was looking at 1572, not 1672. I want TS and Moros to confirm the name of Dutch Guy, and for Dutch Guy to confirm himself.

[Warluster]

ok,ok, we have diffrent page things, i will name the person Only once more. the fourth member is- Was Sasaki lynched last round? because he got most votes right? the fourth member is Dutch_Guy

[doc_bean]

Can we get on update on who's still alive in this game ?

[HughTower]

The evidence is in the rules. Anyone who has participated in a vigilante killing will thenceforth show up as guilty if investigated by detectives. Imagine the free hand this gives to any mafia members who may have got into that group. Investigation result = guilty? "Oh, I was in The Stranger's group, so I'm clean", even as he kills on the mafia's account every night.

As I've said many times before, the more we bring things out into the open the more difficult things become for the mafia, yet he continues to refuse to name his fourth vigilante (note I pressed for the same in my PM reply to Redleg, wanting him to pressure TS into publicly providing the town with an explanation). Since he still doesn't do so, which we know is harmful to the town's chances, we might as well start the lynches with him. If the mafia win and the last remaining mafia was the fourth member he was hiding, more fool him for trusting him.

Your logic is correct about offering camouflage, but in practice it would be quite difficult to set up. I think, like your offer of double suicide, you once again are seeking the extreme option. Why is that?

Andres was a wiseguy, who was strangely unhelpful in revealing that Kralizec was the Don behind his PMs even though that info was public domain.

The fact of the matter is that we are not going to find the White
Glove Mafia in this group. With 2 kills a night, there are at least 6 members & two kill teams. Wiseguys working with them must be promoted to Made by now. We need to find these foot soldiers. They are among the lurkers - they are not among Sasaki, Redleg or TS.

I repeat then,

PICK A LURKER! ANY LURKER! LURKERS FOR THE LYNCH MOB!

[doc_bean]

PICK A LURKER! ANY LURKER! LURKERS FOR THE LYNCH MOB!

You do realize I did vote don't you ?

Why do you hate me ?


Vote:Tom_Hagen

One of the most dangerous lurker-mafiosi evar !