Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Good. If Kage has been investigating then he is cleared. That leaves us with CountArach. Can anyone confirm him? I'm waiting on pm responses regarding other wise guys.

(are we finally getting back on track of real investigative work?)


As for investigations, they are slow. And I have to have an idea who to investigate. It's also silly to investigate those who can be shown to be pro town like Kage. Who did you guys protect?

[Kagemusha]

Good. If Kage has been investigating then he is cleared. That leaves us with CountArach. Can anyone confirm him? I'm waiting on pm responses regarding other wise guys.

(are we finally getting back on track of real investigative work?)


As for investigations, they are slow. And I have to have an idea who to investigate. It's also silly to investigate those who can be shown to be pro town like Kage. Who did you guys protect?

And just why should we tell you? In my opinion you are a mafia collaborator and not a true detective and you need to be lynched.

[Redleg]

Vote:Sasaki
Select: Abstain

I am still convinced your "the Wolf" from the arguement that was developed earlier in the thread.

Also I suspect anyone that calls for lynching a know pro-townie that has been mentioned several times by myself as pro-townie. An individual who attempted to get me lynched with a false accusation in his arguement of, if you vote for his lynch you are most likely mafia. So based upon his threat of saying others are more likely to be mafia because they voted for him, I will assume Sasaki is once again mafia because I am innocent. As determined by Sasaki himself. This is the direct reverse of your earlier arguement. it follows something like this.

Redleg: votes that you are mafia
Sasaki: If you vote for my lynch you are most likely mafia
Redleg: Is accused of being most likely mafia by Sasaki
Sasaki: Determines that Redleg is innocent
Redleg: determines that since he is innocent - Sasaki must be guilty.
Sasaki: Suggests vote for Kagemusha a known Wiseguy that was informed by Redleg to be working for the town.
Redleg: Mafia wants to lynch pro-townies, Kagemusha is a confirmed pro-townie wiseguy by Redleg, if you demand Kagemusha's lynching you are most likely mafia.

Conclusion above

Oh the tangle web we weave when we first set out to decieve.......

[Papewaio]

Vote: No One at this Time
Select for Director: Redleg

[Papewaio]

Vote: Unselect No Vote to Sasaki

[Csargo]

Vote: Unselect No Vote to Sasaki

Bandwagon alert!!!! Why Papewaio Why?

[Proletariat]

TOM HAGEN'S CdiT HISTORY

1. He is an experienced Mafia player, who must have known what a game this size would involve.
2. He was inactive, till he was almost lynched (& maybe WOG'd).
3. I started the bandwagon against him & I am killed that night.
4. He turns up & promptly votes against Sasaki, for no good reason.

He should be lynched

1 and 2 don't jive. Why would an experienced player lurk in this manner? If he's experienced than he'd know that was a stupid move.

[Louis VI the Fat]

1 and 2 don't jive. Why would an experienced player lurk in this manner? If he's experienced than he'd know that was a stupid move.

1) jives indeed.

2) I think that near-lynching was the result of TS and buddies trying to save TS's arse. I didn't read any arguments from them, but I'm willing to listen if they've got some.

I do know that TH is 'Jillian's daddy', and that lill' Jill was born last year around this time during the orgs birth spree.

[Proletariat]

Actually, it was Jill's birthday recently, and I knew Don C had some other stuff going on that made me bother posting that. Just didn't wanna go into his life story in the game thread, yanno. Otherwise I'd be alot more suspicious of Don C not being WoG'd.

[Papewaio]

Bandwagon alert!!!! Why Papewaio Why?

Based on the list so far and that there is always an exception to every rule:

* I'm innocent.
* All moderators are mafia.
* I know I'm the exception to the rule.
* Therefore Sasaki must be a mafia.

Also if after his lynching he's innocent it means Redleg must be guilty and hence he should be next on the list. However until that point, I will do my best to keep him away from death by making him a director.

[Xiahou]

I've been thinking about the Redleg/Sasaki conflagration and have come to some conclusions. First, it must stop- it's sucking all of the oxygen out of our debates and stops us from looking seriously into and debating other townspeople. This seems to end up in both players dodging a lynch and a third person inexplicably ending up lynched instead.

The Stranger had been behaving in a terribly suspicious manner much of the game, so I don't view his lynch as a bad thing, but now it's time to focus on the 2 main antagonizers. Of the two, I trust Sasaki the least- he's made multiple role claims meaning that at least has been forged/faked. That alone should be enough under the lynch-all-liars clause, but I also think that he's been more interested in fending off attacks by making counter-claims than actually seeking the enemies of the town.

Vote:Sasaki

Assuming Sasaki is lynched, the town will then have a decision to make. Do we wait for Sasaki's true role to be revealed, or do we immediately lynch Redleg? Both carry risks and possible benefits- but we can decide that next round, for this round my decision is clear.

[ByzantineKnight]

^^ I agree about Sasaki, he is either a liar or pro-mafia (or both).

I would like to call on all pro-townies to select Redleg and lynch Sasaki for the good of the town.

We have a small chance to defeat 2 mafia before the rest of us townies run out... Lynch the Pro-mafia!

ByzantineKnight

EDIT: Forgot to vote, Vote:Sasaki Select:Redleg

[CountArach]

I got BKS as innocent and Redleg as innocent. So I suppose odds are I was wrong about you Redleg

Now here's a funny thing:

Pevergreen: Pannonian is guilty
The_stranger: Pannonian is guilty
Redleg: Pannonian is guilty

Pannonian? Proven innocent.

Pevergreen: Sasaki is guilty
The_Stranger: Sasaki is guilty
Redleg: Sasaki is guilty

Sasaki? You see my point.


But what's most interesting is this "tin star" gang. The white glove is evidently the third mafia family. This new group must have formed from wise guys. The white glove group has two kills which means they must have wise guys. The only sensible thing to do is to eliminate all known wise guys. Now, Warluster got killed last night. Kage is a known wise guy, and I've heard CountArach is one as well, from a contact of mine. Confirm/deny CountArach? Have you been in any protection or kill groups? Kage has claimed to be doing nothing, I think it's likely he's part of the tin star group. There's 5 wise guys dead, out of 10-14 originally. Anyone have any leads on more wise guys?

In my opinion we should get Kage and CountArach to a tie and lynch them both. And any other known wise guys. Stig you were a wise guy, right? You come into contact with any?

Alright, yes I am a Wise Guy, however I am an innocent one. I have been Sleeping every night. This is because no one has approached me with an offer of a protection group IIRC. Also I have some problems with my timezone (GMT +10), so I haven't got all of my PMs in to Seamus every night. I missed one or two.

One of the only people to give me an offer for a group was Motep, and as has already been said much earlier in the thread, I was sort of just going along with that and it didn't really get anywhere because he wanted to protect Pevergreen, meaning he did not need my assistance.

I am starting to believe that you are a Rouge Detective, and IIRC that is a pro-town role that makes you sound Criminal. If you truly are I would suggest that you, or any other detective investigates me. You will see my innocence.

Vote: Abstain
Select: Redleg

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Man, of course I lied about being townie. I was attempting to keep my detective role a secret. That in no way implies any forgery, I simply got the townie pm from Csar at the start of the game.

Several misuses of logic here.

1) A group of people is more likely to contain mafia. One of them is innocent. He is one of the reasons they aren't "certain to be mafia". This gives no indication of my alignment.

2)All moderators are guilty!?


Also, lynch CountArach. We can't afford to leave the wise guys around.

Once again, none of you are offering any evidence that I am not the detective. pevergreen has been proven to be a lier and a forger of private messages, and yet you still trust him?

Where's that bandwagon image...

[Cowhead418]

I agree with other's sentiments that Sasaki must be lynched. Redleg and Sasaki have been going at each other's throats for a while now, and this needs to end now. We're clearly running out of time here, and we need to lynch all available suspects. For this round, we should lynch Sasaki, and then we should lynch Xdeathfire (or some other lurker) next. By then we should have the autopsy results on Sasaki to see if he was telling the truth. If he was not lying, then we can perhaps lynch Redleg or someone else who vehemently attacked him. Vote: Sasaki

[Csargo]

Man, of course I lied about being townie. I was attempting to keep my detective role a secret. That in no way implies any forgery, I simply got the townie pm from Csar at the start of the game.

Several misuses of logic here.

1) A group of people is more likely to contain mafia. One of them is innocent. He is one of the reasons they aren't "certain to be mafia". This gives no indication of my alignment.

2)All moderators are guilty!?


Also, lynch CountArach. We can't afford to leave the wise guys around.

Once again, none of you are offering any evidence that I am not the detective. pevergreen has been proven to be a lier and a forger of private messages, and yet you still trust him?

Where's that bandwagon image...

Not even a thank you from you Sasaki. That's rude

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Not even a thank you from you Sasaki. That's rude

Thanks!

[Csargo]

Lynch Sasaki. He's guilty.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Vote: Abstain for now
Select: Abstain for now

Vote tally for Seamus:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Lynch:
Xdeathfire = 1 (Orb)
Sasaki = 7 (Kagemusha, Tom_Hagen, Moros, Redleg, Papewaio, Xiahou, ByzantineKnight)
Reenk Roink = 1 (Reenk Roink)

Select Director:
Redleg = 4 (luigi VI di Fatlington, Orb, ByzantineKnight, CountArach)
doc_bean = 1 (doc_bean)
Moros = 1 (Moros)
Reenk Roink = 1 (Reenk Roink)

I don't know why the spoiler tags are acting up, sorry.

[Xiahou]

Select:Reenk
Why not?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Lynch:
Xdeathfire = 1 (Orb)
Sasaki = 7 (Kagemusha, Tom_Hagen, Moros, Redleg, Papewaio, Xiahou, ByzantineKnight)
Reenk Roink = 1 (Reenk Roink)

Select Director:
Redleg = 4 (luigi VI di Fatlington, Orb, ByzantineKnight, CountArach)
doc_bean = 1 (doc_bean)
Moros = 1 (Moros)
Reenk Roink = 2 (Reenk Roink, Xiahou)

[The Stranger]

just VOTE SASAKI AND GET OVER WITH IT...

Join me Sasaki :D Come to me and we'll continue our fued in hell...

[Warluster]

Aye, I was killed, I knew it would come, but who ever killed me couldn't even face me like someone brave! they had to cowardly kill me in crane, oh the sham,e that colt cost so much!

Anyway, I am starting to think of Sasaki innocent, has so far he has put forward a good case.

I also think some of the lurkers are mafia, and I agree with HughTower and Ichigo on this case, I think the mafia wanted me out of the way, because I was stirring upo trouble, or my plan got to them...

[Pindar]

Select:Reenk
Why not?

I can go with that. The fellow has never been the Director and dispersement of power is often a good thing.

Vote: Sasaki
Select: Reenk Roink

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Lynch:
Xdeathfire = 1 (Orb)
Sasaki = 8 (Kagemusha, Tom_Hagen, Moros, Redleg, Papewaio, Xiahou, ByzantineKnight, Pindar)
Reenk Roink = 1 (Reenk Roink)

Select Director:
Redleg = 4 (luigi VI di Fatlington, Orb, ByzantineKnight, CountArach)
doc_bean = 1 (doc_bean)
Moros = 1 (Moros)
Reenk Roink = 3 Reenk Roink, Xiahou, Pindar

[Pindar]

Aye, I was killed, I knew it would come, but who ever killed me couldn't even face me like someone brave! they had to cowardly kill me in crane, oh the sham,e that colt cost so much!

Anyway, I am starting to think of Sasaki innocent, has so far he has put forward a good case.

I also think some of the lurkers are mafia, and I agree with HughTower and Ichigo on this case, I think the mafia wanted me out of the way, because I was stirring upo trouble, or my plan got to them...

As I understand things there are two Mafia groups: the white glove guys and the tin star guys. In your death there wasn't a mention of either symbol was there? So, who did you in?

[Warluster]

Someone who wants me dead...
(Well thats obvious)

[The Stranger]

how about your townvictory NOW!!!!!!!!!!!11

...just kill Sasaki...

Stupid Town... 2 dons 2 mades and a luca... and still you couldnt use the advantage... now we have about 10 dead townies and around 10 living mafia...

You're like Hannibal, you know how to win a battle but not how to use your victory...

Oh well... you've offed the player that participated winning the battle

The mafia is awefully accurate... Sasaki is ratting on the TOWN!!! he's telling the mafia who are townies who are in a protection group and who's being protected...

NEW RULE, KILL SASAKI 1st TURN OF EVERY GAME!!!

Sasaki, no hard feelings, nuttin but respect :P

I'm honoured that you shall join me...

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Vote: Sassaki
Select: Moros

Moros needs the protection more than most. Evidence points in the way of Sasaki now due to information leaked by Moros - he is certainly faking his "Rouge Detective" role.

[Pindar]

Someone who wants me dead...
(Well thats obvious)

No idea I take it. That's grim.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Change selection from Abstain to Reenk Roink. I'm suspicious of both Redleg and Sasaki, and am less sure about either being Director. So I'll vote Reenk to keep Red out of office...

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Lynch:
Xdeathfire = 1 (Orb)
Sasaki = 9 (Kagemusha, Tom_Hagen, Moros, Redleg, Papewaio, Xiahou, ByzantineKnight, Pindar, Omanes the Idiot)
Reenk Roink = 1 (Reenk Roink)

Select Director:
Redleg = 4 (luigi VI di Fatlington, Orb, ByzantineKnight, CountArach)
doc_bean = 1 (doc_bean)
Moros = 2 (Moros, Omanes the Idiot)
Reenk Roink = 4 (Reenk Roink, Xiahou, Pindar, Alexander the Pretty Good)

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

There is, somewhere out there one mafia family that is still going strong. One is fully dead, another has lost it's don and they have not attacked anybody with their AndresTheCunning note for nights. The white glove mafia, the one that is working at full capacity has at least two mades. The "don't trouble yourself about anything one", as I name him, and the "first gunman", again as I name him, from the last night phase. We need to find them out and lynch them quickly to prevent this game going to the dogs (or mafia). How, you may ask, that's another, impossible story.