Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[Kagemusha]

Oh look, someone who made a public statement that he was a wiseguy hoping to become mafia is accusing me. Got recruited yet ?

Thats the thing Doc.Now think twice if i declared to be wiseguy/ criminal on the second round. That confirms me to be on the town side on this game.Since if i would kill anyone id come out guilty always after that.So maybe the reason that i have not been attacked or killed is that i still come out criminal,since i havent attacked anyone.Care to share us your role?

[Pannonian]

In the spirit of my appeal, here's something interesting I've seen. It will expose me to the danger of lynching because it to incriminate me, but what is more interesting is what the source tries to hide or inadvertently reveals.

The source is pevergreen. Isn't he scum, and hence untrustworthy? I'd agree, except this isn't material that he's trying to mislead us with, but material which he's tried to cover up. The post in question is #1219. Note it says " Last edited by pevergreen : Today at 00:50" at the bottom. Why was it edited? What did it say before? This is where it becomes interesting.

Here's the original post, as written at 00:37.

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Well! Looks like i got my wish!

That was without doubt the coolest death yet.

To clear a few things up:

I wrote the death speech, but the wording changed slightly towards the end, Seamus just made it sound better.

MRD did not accidently pm as a made.
I have lost day 1 and night 1 pm's but his first PM was to me.

I was hoping my last line or two would cause some investigation

'One still remains/roams" whatever.
But "you wiped out all Corelones"

From my role PM

Investigations:

If investigated by a Detective or by a Made Gangster, you will almost certainly be discovered to be “innocent.” You will only register as “criminal” or “guilty” if you have personally participated in a killing.

Corleone Luca = GeneralHankerchief

Corleone Made = Major Robert Dump

*** *** = ****** ******

The last one has been edited out. Because of this:

You, and only you from your family, are aware of a special “friend” of the Mafiosi of Fatlington. Though not a member of your family...


Your death is part of the victory conditions for the other Dons, and will also severely limit your families chance of success as creating a new Don is time-consuming.

So one don is close to winning.

And just for The Stranger, the word i was asking you for came from this paragraph, it should also help a bit.

You will choose some “signature” component that will feature in all of your family’s killings. This may be a consistent method, a symbol or calling card, or some other distinctive characteristic – but it must be used in each killing without exception. You must notify me of this characteristic with your first nighttime PM.


My ambitions went downhill as soon as my Luca was killed. Then when *** **** betrayed me and my Made died, i had no chance.

Im gunning for a townie victory and *** ****'s death.

Originally Posted by *** ****
hey man i dont know what your playing at but i'm through with you and your family. i've contacted pannonian and told him i'll be working for him from no on. don't know what your playing at.

Thats why i had ToS FoS HoS at Pannonian.

Go Town!

This was edited at 00:43, to read.

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edited out for a sec

Then the current version was posted at 00:50, as follows.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Well! Looks like i got my wish!

That was without doubt the coolest death yet.

To clear a few things up:

I wrote the death speech, but the wording changed slightly towards the end, Seamus just made it sound better.

MRD did not accidently pm as a made.
I have lost day 1 and night 1 pm's but his first PM was to me.

I was hoping my last line or two would cause some investigation

'One still remains/roams" whatever.
But "you wiped out all Corelones"

From my role PM

Investigations:

If investigated by a Detective or by a Made Gangster, you will almost certainly be discovered to be “innocent.” You will only register as “criminal” or “guilty” if you have personally participated in a killing.

Corleone Luca = GeneralHankerchief

Corleone Made = Major Robert Dump

Your death is part of the victory conditions for the other Dons, and will also severely limit your families chance of success as creating a new Don is time-consuming.

So one don is close to winning.

And just for The Stranger, the word i was asking you for came from this paragraph, it should also help a bit.

You will choose some “signature” component that will feature in all of your family’s killings. This may be a consistent method, a symbol or calling card, or some other distinctive characteristic – but it must be used in each killing without exception. You must notify me of this characteristic with your first nighttime PM.


So from now on, Im gunning for a townie victory!

I noticed this as I was writng a reply to something, and saw that pevergreen's original post had been edited out (and was the 2nd version). I decided not to post the reply, and instead just watch what happens, and see what the edited post would look like. So what had been edited out?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Well! Looks like i got my wish!

That was without doubt the coolest death yet.

To clear a few things up:

I wrote the death speech, but the wording changed slightly towards the end, Seamus just made it sound better.

MRD did not accidently pm as a made.
I have lost day 1 and night 1 pm's but his first PM was to me.

I was hoping my last line or two would cause some investigation

'One still remains/roams" whatever.
But "you wiped out all Corelones"

From my role PM

Investigations:

If investigated by a Detective or by a Made Gangster, you will almost certainly be discovered to be “innocent.” You will only register as “criminal” or “guilty” if you have personally participated in a killing.

Corleone Luca = GeneralHankerchief

Corleone Made = Major Robert Dump

*** *** = ****** ******

The last one has been edited out. Because of this:

You, and only you from your family, are aware of a special “friend” of the Mafiosi of Fatlington. Though not a member of your family...


Your death is part of the victory conditions for the other Dons, and will also severely limit your families chance of success as creating a new Don is time-consuming.

So one don is close to winning.

And just for The Stranger, the word i was asking you for came from this paragraph, it should also help a bit.

You will choose some “signature” component that will feature in all of your family’s killings. This may be a consistent method, a symbol or calling card, or some other distinctive characteristic – but it must be used in each killing without exception. You must notify me of this characteristic with your first nighttime PM.


My ambitions went downhill as soon as my Luca was killed. Then when *** **** betrayed me and my Made died, i had no chance.

Im gunning for a townie victory and *** ****'s death.

Originally Posted by *** ****
hey man i dont know what your playing at but i'm through with you and your family. i've contacted pannonian and told him i'll be working for him from no on. don't know what your playing at.

Thats why i had ToS FoS HoS at Pannonian.

Go Town!

The question is, who are ****** ******" and *** ****? I'm not sure about the exact allocation of roles, but something in the role description made me recall an earlier comment in post #627. "

CountArach: Also pevergreen, why are you voting for Sasaki?
Pevergreen: Hmm..i think his win conditions dont allow me to live.

Compare with the line in the role description.

Your death is part of the victory conditions for the other Dons, and will also severely limit your families chance of success as creating a new Don is time-consuming.

Is this conclusive? No, but note that Sasaki posted very soon indeed after the original post, but did not jump on it as he normally does.

So I would say ****** ****** is Sasaki Kojiro. What his *** *** role is I'm not sure, though I'd guess one of the *** stands for Don. Whatever his role, I'm sure he's connected to the Mafia one way or another.

If the Dons know who each other are, then why don't they kill each other to ensure only their family can win? That I can't answer, since I don't have full access to definitions of what the mafia can and cannot do.

Who is this *** **** who betrayed pevergreen and contacted me offering to work for me? Looking at that quote, I don't recognise the style. However, I have been in contact with various people offering to work with me in various activities. Early in the game, I suggested to Major Robert Dump and Kagemusha that we should form a protection group to protect likely targets, of whom I nominated HughTower and Redleg. That fell through because both replied too late, as I've described in an earlier post, and I dropped the idea after GH's exposure as a Luca despite renewed offers from MRD and Kage. Later on, when I was pursuing the trio of pevergreen, The_Stranger and Motep, Jimbob suggested that we should get together with Redleg to protect pevergreen. I agreed on the condition that pevergreen should investigate TS and Motep. Redleg fulfilled his part of the group (AFAIK), but Jimbob didn't turn up (or at least didn't send a confirmatory PM).

Other contacts include pevergreen when he was saying The_Don was threatening him (I couldn't get much substance from the conversations despite much wheedling, although I can quote the PMs here if anyone's got the patience to read them), GH when I asked him if he was a doctor (fishing for roles as he accused me of doing), and Luigi VI in general discussions.

As I've advocated, I've been as open as I can, not omitting any details which might make me seem suspicious. Discuss in public as I've thus disclosed my thoughts.

Based on the above,

Vote: Sasaki

[The Stranger]

@Moros: I'm not innocent :P I'm guilty of Murder

[doc_bean]

btw: you had contact with doc_bean.

Huh ? If you mean by PM (or any other means not in public and related to this game) then NO he didn't.

Get your act together Gert, the lies are pileing up...

[doc_bean]

Thats the thing Doc.Now think twice if i declared to be wiseguy/ criminal on the second round. That confirms me to be on the town side on this game.Since if i would kill anyone id come out guilty always after that.So maybe the reason that i have not been attacked or killed is that i still come out criminal,since i havent attacked anyone.Care to share us your role?

I'm not a detective so I have no idea how you come out. I'm just a helpful townie.

[Andres]

btw: you had contact with doc_bean.

Huh ? If you mean by PM (or any other means not in public and related to this game) then NO he didn't.

Get your act together Gert, the lies are pileing up...

I entered the chat when I just joined the game. I asked doc_bean in dutch if he would be so kind to tell me his role and I added ;) . He anwered in duch that he would be crazy if he told me that. Then he quit. Without even saying goodbye. How rude

[Moros]

Oh look, someone who made a public statement that he was a wiseguy hoping to become mafia is accusing me. Got recruited yet ?




Why don't you trust me ? Because I ask questions ? Because I find it suspicious that you have information that only the mafia should have ? You're getting awfully defensive for someone prepared to die.

PUBLIC REQUEST

Can someone confirm whether or not detectives get the mafia family name after a succesful investigation ? I thought they'd only get a 'criminal' or 'innocent' result.


If that's the case, then you appear to be lying. First rule of mafia: when in doubt, lynch the liars

Just give Seamus time to respond. Prepared to die, yes the same way a soldier is prepared to die for it's country. That doesn't mean he will not fight? The soldier protects it's country I the detective and the town.

Also when has kage claimed, this. I want to read that. As I trusted him. Even if I die I want to keep my contacts and work for town. I still trust him but if you got evidence he's willing to be mafia please tell and show me.

Also what is your basing for saying me I'm a mafia. Because I defend myself...? Because I know the family names? While I told you where I got thel from. OR because you are a mafia trying to lynch one of the most active pro-townie who has contacts with a detective? I'm not the only one who heard rumours about you. And the information I had has been awefully correct. Another question even if I was mafia how could I know the names and guy of two different mafia families and some of their assciates? I'd only know those of my family. The only other way was by contacts, which would be as hard to get as for a normal townie. Hmmm you really have a great theory there Doc, really.

[The Stranger]

Well since Pannonian started to what I wanted to. Ill finish the job.

This is my case against Sasaki

[I]Andres: Pro-Mafia, Guilty and Charged.
Sasaki: The Wolf, Pro-Mafia, Guilty and Charged

First here's some old info, I had already posted, though I left a part out, the italics are old info, the rest is new info. Again, copy and paste it into a text file to make reading easier.

MSN conversation between me and Pevergreen.
[SPOIL]Datum Tijd Van Aan Bericht
24-1-07 14:45:46 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? hello, hello, yes yes
24-1-07 14:46:03 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW hi
24-1-07 14:46:27 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? watch in amazement as i get lynched
24-1-07 14:46:43 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW you watch or i?
24-1-07 14:47:06 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW Pfsh... you did an even worse job in defending yourself than I :P
24-1-07 14:47:19 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? lol
24-1-07 14:47:42 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW Really... you made a fatal mistake... first I was criminal... and later innocent...
24-1-07 14:47:52 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? i saw that
24-1-07 14:47:54 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? dam
24-1-07 14:48:01 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW ehhehe...
24-1-07 14:48:03 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? cant believe i didnt look over it
24-1-07 14:48:13 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW Hmm... so what was i?
24-1-07 14:48:33 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? no idea
24-1-07 14:48:50 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? kk
24-1-07 14:48:51 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW ehehhe... Knew it... yur no detective...
24-1-07 14:48:56 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? how about a deal
24-1-07 14:49:02 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW tell me
24-1-07 14:49:11 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? i reveal who i am, and my death speach
24-1-07 14:49:21 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? and you dont tell anyone, or hint to it, until im dead
24-1-07 14:49:25 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW ok
24-1-07 14:49:34 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? right
24-1-07 14:49:42 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? lets see if you can work it out off my death speech
24-1-07 14:49:49 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW spill it :)
24-1-07 14:50:05 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? "You killed my Luca, you killed my Made, your lynching me, but one still remains. Who is it you think, As you sip on your drinks. You killed all Corlones, [Omnious voice]But One still roams....[/omnious voice]"
24-1-07 14:50:13 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW Don...
24-1-07 14:50:15 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? should be drink
24-1-07 14:50:20 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW not so hard...
24-1-07 14:50:25 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? lol
24-1-07 14:50:26 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? yeah
24-1-07 14:50:41 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW You really revealed too much in our first convo...
24-1-07 14:50:45 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? meh
24-1-07 14:50:52 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? after my luca died
24-1-07 14:51:01 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW I knew it from that on... I never trusted you :P
24-1-07 14:51:08 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW Oke... I'll keep my word.
24-1-07 14:51:13 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? bloody Hanky
24-1-07 14:51:18 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? should have stayed alive longer
24-1-07 14:51:39 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW hmm... well... go any more info... and I keep my mouth shut till just before the autopsy
24-1-07 14:51:52 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? who do you think my made was?
24-1-07 14:51:57 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW Beirut
24-1-07 14:52:00 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? bah
24-1-07 14:52:01 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW or maybe MRD
24-1-07 14:52:04 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? hes another family
24-1-07 14:52:06 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW oke.
24-1-07 14:52:13 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right?
24-1-07 14:52:13 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW I knew they were mafia all along
24-1-07 14:52:17 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? mrd
24-1-07 14:52:26 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW oke...
24-1-07 14:52:32 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? and my remaining member?
24-1-07 14:52:33 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW Well... im onto another mafia
24-1-07 14:52:39 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW Ehm.. Doc Bean?
24-1-07 14:52:42 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? nup
24-1-07 14:52:52 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? im very suspicious of this person
24-1-07 14:53:10 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW You know who your other member is?
24-1-07 14:53:13 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? yeah
24-1-07 14:53:15 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? secret role
24-1-07 14:53:19 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW Moros?
24-1-07 14:53:33 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? i dont think this persons win conditions allow me to live
24-1-07 14:53:38 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW Sasaki?
24-1-07 14:53:43 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? mm, mm
24-1-07 14:53:50 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW Is that yes or no
24-1-07 14:53:52 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? up the shut **** you must about this.
24-1-07 14:54:10 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW Till just before the autopsy
24-1-07 14:54:11 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? laugh4
24-1-07 14:54:14 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW Yes or no?
24-1-07 14:54:15 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? yeah
24-1-07 14:54:22 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? you might not want to tattle on Sasaki
24-1-07 14:54:26 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW So sasaki it is then...
24-1-07 14:54:31 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? hes not really mafia
24-1-07 14:54:31 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW I never trusted him
24-1-07 14:54:38 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW but i did tell him too much
24-1-07 14:54:46 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? he can protect mafia from investiagtions
24-1-07 14:54:50 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW He attacked moros?
24-1-07 14:55:06 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? but if he does that, i owe him a favour
24-1-07 14:55:14 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? and i have to do everything in my power to repay it
24-1-07 14:55:20 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? but he never said how he wins
24-1-07 14:55:31 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW I will lynch him.
24-1-07 14:55:32 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? so i thought straight away his win was for me to die
24-1-07 14:55:43 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? now hes defected to Pannonian
24-1-07 14:56:14 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW hmmm
24-1-07 14:56:24 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? contacted pannonian and told him i'll be working for him from no on
24-1-07 14:56:35 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro hey man i dont know what your playing at but i'm through with you and your family. i've contacted pannonian and told him i'll be working for him from no on. don't know what your playing at
24-1-07 14:56:36 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW So pannonian is mafia too?
24-1-07 14:56:59 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW heheh is this payback time for Sasaki or not? :P
24-1-07 14:57:15 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? i hope he dies
24-1-07 14:57:27 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW I will look into it
24-1-07 14:57:37 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW Next round he goes
24-1-07 14:57:41 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? i hope so
24-1-07 14:57:50 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? you pro town or what?
24-1-07 14:57:53 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? i revealed
24-1-07 14:57:53 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW What do you know about Doc_Bean
24-1-07 14:57:56 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? nothing
24-1-07 14:58:05 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW I'm pro-town
24-1-07 14:58:15 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? i havent been in contact or had contact through anyone else with him
24-1-07 14:58:25 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW Pannonian is a mafia from another family?
24-1-07 14:58:32 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? redleg is leader of wise guy group
24-1-07 14:58:48 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? and one guy is feeding infomation from Beiruts family
24-1-07 14:59:01 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? HughTower is plain townie
24-1-07 14:59:04 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW Giving info to Beiruts family
24-1-07 14:59:11 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW or to the redleg
24-1-07 14:59:11 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? from
24-1-07 14:59:15 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW oke
24-1-07 14:59:21 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW Hughtower is alright
24-1-07 14:59:30 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? you should be able to get into redlegs group easily enough
24-1-07 14:59:36 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW I dont want to
24-1-07 14:59:37 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? take my place XD
24-1-07 14:59:41 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW I have my own group
24-1-07 14:59:48 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? so exactley what are you
24-1-07 14:59:54 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? is it a basic role or a secret one
24-1-07 15:00:06 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW A basic... I'm a mere townie
24-1-07 15:00:12 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW but I have influence
24-1-07 15:00:41 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? well, lynch Sasaki Im off to bed
24-1-07 15:00:53 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW sasaki will die... but youll go first
24-1-07 15:01:05 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW it would be a shame if youve writen your poem for nothing
24-1-07 15:01:11 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? yeah
24-1-07 15:01:16 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? i spent a while on that
24-1-07 15:01:58 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW Now... Im going to check this info out... if you lied... I reveal this right away... otherwise... youll family shall live a bit
24-1-07 15:02:30 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW Cya, :)

Another conversation between me and Pevergreen. Same procedure, only no old news.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

25-1-07 1:30:55 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? that was the coolest death ever
25-1-07 1:31:09 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW ehhehe :P
25-1-07 1:31:32 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW though... please edit your post... yure screwing up my plan...
25-1-07 1:31:57 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? what do you want me to edit
25-1-07 1:32:24 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW no... nevermind... as long as you dont name names untill after this night
25-1-07 1:32:34 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? nah tell me
25-1-07 1:32:37 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW oh no wait
25-1-07 1:32:40 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? i took the post of
25-1-07 1:32:45 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW edit that sasaki PM on the end
25-1-07 1:32:59 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW I dont want him to get his story together before I accuse him
25-1-07 1:33:10 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW oke
25-1-07 1:33:30 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? can i say that *** **** went to pannonian?
25-1-07 1:33:34 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? without the PM
25-1-07 1:33:57 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW no... just edit your entire post ;P
25-1-07 1:34:07 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW just say sumthing about your death
25-1-07 1:34:20 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW tomorrow when the day phase starts you can repost your post
25-1-07 1:34:24 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? ok
25-1-07 1:34:30 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW just copy and save it on a text file or sumthing
25-1-07 1:34:49 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? i am
25-1-07 1:35:37 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW oke... if you got anymore info i could use... that will lead to more mafia death and more so more concrete evidence of sasaki's mafia activities
25-1-07 1:35:49 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW also could you forward me the Don RolePM
25-1-07 1:35:50 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? pannonian
25-1-07 1:35:53 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? yep
25-1-07 1:35:56 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? just a sec
25-1-07 1:36:02 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW yeah Ill get them hanged both :D
25-1-07 1:36:02 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? you can open word there yes?
25-1-07 1:36:36 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW yeah
25-1-07 1:36:44 omfg thread hijack FTW verzendt speech.doc
25-1-07 1:36:49 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? revised post
25-1-07 1:37:03 Je hebt C:\Mijn documenten\Mijn ontvangen bestanden\speech.doc van omfg thread hijack FTW ontvangen.
25-1-07 1:37:08 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW you havent edited your post.. sasaki has read it... that is too bad...
25-1-07 1:37:14 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? ive edited it
25-1-07 1:37:19 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW now i have to work harder to get him convicted...
25-1-07 1:37:23 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? Re: Capo de Tutti Capi (in play) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- edited out for a sec
25-1-07 1:37:29 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? thats what it reads
25-1-07 1:37:50 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW hmm... yeah but sasaki read it... I'm sure
25-1-07 1:37:57 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? I find Drisos interesting. I recall in several past games he has posted a "Shucks, I didn't get a mafia role once again" post after the pm's were out. He hasn't this time. He's also lurking. What's going on Drisos?
25-1-07 1:38:07 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? he would have said something about it.
25-1-07 1:38:21 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW hmm... oke...
25-1-07 1:38:42 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW Tomorrow... after Seamus' narrative you can repost it... not earlier
25-1-07 1:38:45 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? ok
25-1-07 1:38:51 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW so got some more info?
25-1-07 1:39:26 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW hmm... maybe yur right... a small chance exists that he did not read it... I hope so... :)
25-1-07 1:39:47 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? luigi wants info on Pannonian so he can NK him
25-1-07 1:39:58 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW NK?
25-1-07 1:40:01 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW kill?
25-1-07 1:40:04 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? night kill
25-1-07 1:40:23 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW hmm... no... I want to bring Pannonian in
25-1-07 1:40:32 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW do you know if Pannonian is a Don?
25-1-07 1:40:51 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? very sure
25-1-07 1:41:05 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW allright... :D he's dead and after that Sasaki
25-1-07 1:41:16 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? says: Tomorrow... after Seamus' narrative you can repost it... not earlier Is that after the night narative?
25-1-07 1:42:07 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW yeah... the narrative in which he says whos killed THIS night
25-1-07 1:42:17 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? k
25-1-07 1:42:36 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW have you given me the RolePM ttoo?
25-1-07 1:42:51 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? its sent
25-1-07 1:43:19 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW dude... why is your post back?
25-1-07 1:43:28 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? its the edited one
25-1-07 1:44:36 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW hmm... this version is oke
25-1-07 1:44:41 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW i got yur PM
25-1-07 1:44:45 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? good
25-1-07 1:46:06 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW any info I could use to screw Pannonian... because I'd like to accuse them seperatly...
25-1-07 1:46:23 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? the PM from Sasaki
25-1-07 1:46:40 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW because when I use the PM Sasaki gets time to think of a gameplan to prove his innocence
25-1-07 1:46:43 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? he was in contact with my family
25-1-07 1:46:50 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? MRD
25-1-07 1:47:11 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW yeah... oke... Maybe yur right... He's somehow trying to protect andres too
25-1-07 1:47:17 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW he's definitly promafia
25-1-07 1:47:23 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? If we (the townies) need a target i suggest pannonian, as i sent him/her a cryptic message but i think it may backfire because he/she doesnt seem to be playing along
25-1-07 1:47:27 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW oke I'll use the PM
25-1-07 1:47:43 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW Who said that?
25-1-07 1:47:48 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? MRD
25-1-07 1:47:52 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW when?
25-1-07 1:48:04 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? day 2
25-1-07 1:48:14 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? first half
25-1-07 1:48:27 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW why did he wanted him dead? because he was rival gang?
25-1-07 1:48:27 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? Date : 2007-01-19 01:22
25-1-07 1:48:55 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? thats my time
25-1-07 1:49:18 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW oke...date's enough
25-1-07 1:49:45 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? in MRD n3 investigations
25-1-07 1:49:46 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? Pannonian:innocent
25-1-07 1:49:57 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW Yur family is dead?
25-1-07 1:50:05 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW oke, so he's don
25-1-07 1:50:22 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? Well it seems that there is an interest in protection Pannonion because of his comments to The Stranger. If your willing to protect him please send the following Message to Seamus
25-1-07 1:50:23 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? but
25-1-07 1:50:31 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? Pann was group protected wasnt he?
25-1-07 1:50:33 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? or was that redleg
25-1-07 1:51:16 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW redleg was director protected... I dunno about Pann
25-1-07 1:53:37 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW what does that ToS etc mean?
25-1-07 1:53:44 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW ToS FoS HoS
25-1-07 1:54:16 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? Toe of Suspicion
25-1-07 1:54:22 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? Finger of Suspicion
25-1-07 1:54:26 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? Hand of Suspicion
25-1-07 1:54:32 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? Finger of minor Suspicion
25-1-07 1:54:43 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? points out who you think is mafia
25-1-07 1:55:05 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW oke
25-1-07 1:55:27 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? with the chat log you posted
25-1-07 1:55:35 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? that was what it was wasnt it?
25-1-07 1:55:46 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW huh?
25-1-07 1:56:00 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW about you? and MRD?
25-1-07 1:56:03 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? ill see if i can find it
25-1-07 1:56:11 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? i didnt read the whole thing
25-1-07 1:56:13 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW I still have it...
25-1-07 1:56:15 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? only first few lines
25-1-07 1:56:23 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW Its not the entire convo of us
25-1-07 1:56:40 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? ok
25-1-07 1:56:58 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW I left out bits... because I didnt want to give Sasaki and Pann the advantage of a day to prepare their defence against my accusations
25-1-07 1:57:04 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? good
25-1-07 1:57:06 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW thats why you needed to edit out the PM
25-1-07 1:57:14 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? thats why i did
25-1-07 1:57:18 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW ;)
25-1-07 1:58:09 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW You know anything about Andres/
25-1-07 1:58:22 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? nup
25-1-07 1:58:27 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? i had no infomation for a while
25-1-07 1:58:58 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW oke... any info on other players besides Sasaki, Pann, MRD, GH and Redleg?
25-1-07 1:59:19 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? everyone i grouped with i presume to be townie
25-1-07 1:59:22 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? BKS
25-1-07 1:59:26 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW oke
25-1-07 1:59:32 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? was infiltrating Beiruts family
25-1-07 2:00:02 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW Beirut's don was Kralizec, right?
25-1-07 2:00:10 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? we arent sue
25-1-07 2:00:12 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? sure
25-1-07 2:00:23 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW me neither... but i assume that for now
25-1-07 2:00:32 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? yea
25-1-07 2:00:53 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW An idea who might be Pann's made and or Luca
25-1-07 2:01:14 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? nope
25-1-07 2:01:15 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? this game is so awsome
25-1-07 2:02:26 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW I nkow =D and its my first... but i doubt ill be playing another... its toooo time consuming
25-1-07 2:02:55 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW Any idea who might be Beirut fams Luca?
25-1-07 2:03:07 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? ive got no more info
25-1-07 2:03:20 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW oke... youve been very helpful :D
25-1-07 2:03:56 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW one more thing... a family from the start knows whos in his family? and it exists of 3 members... a don, a luca and a made... and more can be recruited
25-1-07 2:04:27 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? yeah
25-1-07 2:04:56 Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? omfg thread hijack FTW oke... I'm going off, cya... thanx again
25-1-07 2:04:59 omfg thread hijack FTW Tour of Honesty - So, you were there untill the time you left? Is that right? cya

Case against Pannonian and Sasaki:

Sasaki please explain this PM, what is your role with Pannonian and his Family?:

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
hey man i dont know what your playing at but i'm through with you and your family. i've contacted pannonian and told him i'll be working for him from no on. don't know what your playing at

How I plan to explain the attacks and murders? Here it goes.

Moros told Sasaki of his plans and of his role, an important one so it seems because he was attacked. AggonyDuck told Sasaki of his plans and of his strong group able to kill and protect, Aggony's death was a bitter blow to the town. The attack on GH can't be explained but I do think that I have an explanation for MRD's death. Sasaki first worked for Pevergreen and Pevergreen without a doubt told him who his family was. When Sasaki switched sides, MRD was killed. Sasaki ratted MRD to Pannonian and Pannonian ordered a kill, or maybe Sasaki did it himself.

Please, WOLF, what do you think of that? Not good enough? How about this?

Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Your Role: Don Corleone

You are the boss of a crime family, and your goal is to take over Fatlington and become the Capo de Tutti Capi (Captain of Captains). To do this, you will need to eliminate all of the other Dons and establish a crime family that outnumbers the remaining Mafiosi and citizens of the town.

Powers and Limitations:

Your death is part of the victory conditions for the other Dons, and will also severely limit your families chance of success as creating a new Don is time-consuming.

You will almost always appear innocent in investigations because, normally, the Don makes no moves him/herself – that’s what your family members are for!

You will choose some “signature” component that will feature in all of your family’s killings. This may be a consistent method, a symbol or calling card, or some other distinctive characteristic – but it must be used in each killing without exception. You must notify me of this characteristic with your first nighttime PM.

If you have no other family members left, you may perform one of the following once per night: a) attempt to kill one target, or b) attempt to investigate two other citizens. Your investigation will parallel those of a made and help you identify further possible recruits.

You, and only you from your family, are aware of a special “friend” of the Mafiosi of Fatlington – The Wolf. Though not a member of your family, this person can provide unusually effective protection once in a while making it easier for your Family to achieve success and harder for detectives to track you. This is not without a price however, as you then owe The Wolf a favor which he/she can collect when they see fit and which you MUST honor, unless it would involve attacking a member of your own family.

PM’s:

Each night you are still alive, PM me with instructions for your actions that night. These may be:

“Get some sleep” OR if solo “kill so-and-so” or “investigate so and so”

Investigations:

If investigated by a Detective or by a Made Gangster, you will almost certainly be discovered to be “innocent.” You will only register as “criminal” or “guilty” if you have personally participated in a killing.

Corleone Luca = GeneralHankerchief

Corleone Made = Major Robert Dump

The Wolf = Sasaki Kojiro

[B]Combine that with the PM he send...

I rest this case for now...

[Andres]

In case of doubt, lynch them all.

Organise the votes so you get a tied vote between TheStranger, Moros, Proletariat and Doc_bean. Lynch the four of them. If Redleg refuses, he is suspicious and should be lynched next round together with the ones he saved.

Just my humble opinion...

[The Stranger]

Dammit.. my spoils arent working.. can a mod please fix that... my edit button is taken so i cant do it.

Vote: Sasaki...

I got more evidence... ill post it later...

[doc_bean]

I entered the chat when I just joined the game. I asked doc_bean in dutch if he would be so kind to tell me his role and I added ;) . He anwered in duch that he would be crazy if he told me that. Then he quit. Without even saying goodbye. How rude

When was this ? The last time I talked in the chat was months ago, I logged on once about a week ago but then no one was on, so I just quit. I'm pretty sure you weren't added to the game at the time.

Someone is impersonating me ?????

[Moros]

Huh ? If you mean by PM (or any other means not in public and related to this game) then NO he didn't.

Get your act together Gert, the lies are pileing up...

Hmm supposed to have a question mark behind it. Check my post they miss question marks a lot. Because I automatically type points after sentences. Soemtimes because at the end I forget I was typing a question.

Anyway I'm finishing of my history task (cold war, quite interesting but not as interesting as mafia.) I'm back to awser all your questions good sir.

[Kagemusha]

Oh this is very intresting indeed.

[Pannonian]

The_Stranger, I'm not going to bother defending myself as you are determined to throw stuff without indicating sources or other things we can check for ourselves. However, if you are pro-town, then revelaing this particular bit of information will not hurt any innocents. Where did you get the mafia information from? What is The Wolf? How did you come by the mafia information if you're a townie? Please explain in public so the rest of us can verify for ourselves.

And if you're wondering whether I've told the truth about my activities, ask the people I've named about our conversations. I've been open about my reasoning, and the bits that remain hidden you can find out by asking the witnesses.

[Kralizec]

Don't worry sir Don, I wasn't one of your rivals if that is what you think is the reason I know/knew or think/tought he to be tagatalia. Now why is it that I do know? Well sir Don, people make networks in this game. And I'm not an exception. I also do this. Some have mafia networks, but pro townies have also their networks. And mine is let us say rather large. I have tried to lay connection with quite a lot of people. And I had the luck to stumble on some pro townie groups. And you may or may not know but there are quite a few of these and they all have connections. Now they swap information, now the thing is how bigger your network the more and better your information gets. (tough you do get contradictions quite a lot.)

The thing is, Moros, me and my underlings agreed from the start on to keep our family name a secret to outsiders. We never mentioned the family name to anyone we approached for recruitment or services. My family name only turned up in the beginning when Seamus started the thread, and when you posted your earlier remark.
By the number of mafioso lynched and some other information, any thinking townie can conclude that at least 2 of the original families have been crippled. But how can you know their names? You could only know the name of one family through your contacts, and could only deduce the name of the other one (mine) if you're closely related to the third family (the Barzini) wich has managed to stay clear so far.

[doc_bean]

Also what is your basing for saying me I'm a mafia. Because I defend myself...?

Basic mafia game logic. The town wins if the mafia gets lynched, regardless if you survive or not, so the average twonie would have less reason to defend himself than the average mafiosi. Of ocurse, it's more fun when you're in the game, and you might have a special role that is pro town.

But really, why are you accusing me just because i'm accusing you ? If I were mafia i'd just kill you in the night phase, much easier and cleaner, I wouldn't draw suspicion like this.

Because I know the family names? While I told you where I got thel from.

I'm waiting for confirmation if it's possible, if it is true detectives get the names, there's a good chance I'll withdraw my vote for you.

OR because you are a mafia trying to lynch one of the most active pro-townie who has contacts with a detective? I'm not the only one who heard rumours about you.

Still, i wonder were the lies and rumours about me come from, like I said, I'm just a helfpul villager.

And the information I had has been awefully correct.

Which is pretty weird, I'd really like to know how you guys did that after the game.

Another question even if I was mafia how could I know the names and guy of two different mafia families and some of their assciates? I'd only know those of my family. The only other way was by contacts, which would be as hard to get as for a normal townie. Hmmm you really have a great theory there Doc, really.

Thank you

[Moros]

When was this ? The last time I talked in the chat was months ago, I logged on once about a week ago but then no one was on, so I just quit. I'm pretty sure you weren't added to the game at the time.

Someone is impersonating me ?????

The idiot still doesn't get's that it was me. sigh. I told him by pm (my internet dropped out) but he still didn't get I was fooling him. sigh.

Ask at the chat I change my name's a lot to that of toher people. Especially when someone changes his name, then I steet it. This time I changed my name quite a bit, then at a moment when I had your name he entered chat so I tought I'll fool him for couple of minutes then reveal myself. But no stupid belgacom had to make problems again, sigh. Anyway I told him in pm and apparently he idn't even read my pm's. And then he claims that said various things in it. He didn't even read them it seems.

[Moros]

Which is pretty weird, I'd really like to know how you guys did that after the game.

This part I don't understand, I hope Seamus will confirm soon.
oh wel off to the COld war.

back in half an hour!

[doc_bean]

Well now, if the name thing gets resolved we can be friends again

Kralizec makes an interesting comment about it too...

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

The thing is, Moros, me and my underlings agreed from the start on to keep our family name a secret to outsiders. We never mentioned the family name to anyone we approached for recruitment or services. My family name only turned up in the beginning when Seamus started the thread, and when you posted your earlier remark.

How come you revealed it to me, then?

[The Stranger]

Pann, I accused you in that convo... but I'm not so sure now as then... I'm just backing up your info about Sasaki.

I got the info partly from the same source as you. Pevergreen. As you might have read... I told him to edit his post. Why? Because I didnt want anybody to know untill i was absolutely certain and I didnt want to give Sasaki the advantage of one day to prepare his defence.

SASAKI... please, tell us what do you have to say.

[Kralizec]

I forgot about that instance. I was usually careful with that piece of information, but at that time I was about to get lynched (and eventually I was indeed)

I think I still have that PM on my hard drive, actually.

[Kagemusha]

I want to hear his explanation also: Unvote Doc Bean, Vote Sasaki.

[The Stranger]

Vote Tally:

Sasak - 2 (Pann, TheStranger)
Doc_Bean - 2 (Moros, Kagemusha)
Proletariat - 1 (Omanes)

[Orb]

Vote: The STRANGER

1) His excessive posting is getting annoying.
2) He's made no attempt to answer several of Andres' accusations, and even committed a murder to attempt to get Andres off his case.

This strikes me as unhelpful (he could have organised a protection group instead - which would have been *much* more useful). Also, he's been generally suspicious.

Of course, no doubt he'll start another bandwagon on me by sheer posting volume (backed up by Gertgregoor).


Sasak - 2 (Pann, TheStranger)
Doc_Bean - 2 (Moros, Kagemusha)
Proletariat - 1 (Omanes)
The Stranger - 1 (Orb)

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Re: Rules query.

The three possible results for a Detective's investigation in this game are:
Innocent, Criminal, or Guilty. If Guilty, there is a chance of additional information/evidence.

[Andres]

Vote: The STRANGER

1) His excessive spamming is getting annoying.
2) He's made no attempt to answer several of Andres' accusations, and even committed a murder to attempt to get Andres off his case.

This strikes me as unhelpful (he could have organised a protection group instead - which would have been *much* more useful). Also, he's been generally suspicious.

Of course, no doubt he'll start another bandwagon on me by sheer posting volume (backed up by Gertgregoor).


Sasak - 2 (Pann, TheStranger)
Doc_Bean - 2 (Moros, Kagemusha)
Proletariat - 1 (Omanes)
The Stranger - 1 (Orb)

Fixed the word "posting".

[doc_bean]

Re: Rules query.

The three possible results for a Detective's investigation in this game are:
Innocent, Criminal, or Guilty. If Guilty, there is a chance of additional information/evidence.

Okay Gert time to come clean, how did you know who belonged to which families ? Your detective couldn't have told you and you should have known this if you were actually in contact with a detective.

Why did you lie ?

[Pannonian]

Since we're selecting a director today,

Select: Banquo's Ghost

For the same reason as the 1st round. I would rather have an attention-drawing bumbler as diredtor than someone who can manipulate his position if he's mafia.

[Moros]

You have detectives and you have detectives, my son.