Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[Stig]

He is visibly innocent. Stop voting for him. Do you guys want the mafia to win or not?

Change your votes to Sassaki, The Stranger is a townee! The mafia could win this game if townies are killed.

If it would be up to me I would have already gotten rid of Omanes, and TS, because he posts like this

[The Stranger]

hmm... so over it is then...

You may have it as you wish...

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

If it would be up to me I would have already gotten rid of Omanes, and TS, because he posts like this

Sorry. I just got a little carried away with my posting, my most sincere apologies Stig.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

As per last night's summary post, voting will conclude at 1600 EST today. That is a little over one hour from now.

My current tally:

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The Stranger = 6 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat)

Tom_Hagen = 6 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Ituralde, Moros, Omanes Alexandropalites the Idiot, The Stranger)

Sasaki Kojiro = 4 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster)

Redleg = 2 (Crazed Rabbit, Orb)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

No Vote = 12 (Big King Sanctaphrax, CountArach, Destroyer of Hope, Drisos, Ironside, Luigi Vi di Fatlington, Masy, Papewaio, Reenk Roink, Sasaki Kojiro [director], Tom_Hagen, , Xdeathfire)

[Ironside]

Vote: Sasaki

I'm still waiting for you to answer the question, this might get your attention.

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The Stranger = 6 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat)

Tom_Hagen = 6 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Ituralde, Moros, Omanes Alexandropalites the Idiot, The Stranger)

Sasaki Kojiro = 5 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside)

Redleg = 2 (Crazed Rabbit, Orb)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

No Vote = 12 (Big King Sanctaphrax, CountArach, Destroyer of Hope, Drisos, Luigi Vi di Fatlington, Masy, Papewaio, Reenk Roink, Sasaki Kojiro [director], Tom_Hagen, , Xdeathfire)

[Moros]

sigh.
he Stranger = 6 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat)

Tom_Hagen = 6 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Ituralde, Moros, Omanes Alexandropalites the Idiot, The Stranger)

Sasaki Kojiro = 5 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside)

Redleg = 2 (Crazed Rabbit, Orb)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

No Vote = 12 (Big King Sanctaphrax, CountArach, Destroyer of Hope, Drisos, Ironside, Luigi Vi di Fatlington, Masy, Papewaio, Reenk Roink, Sasaki Kojiro [director], Tom_Hagen, , Xdeathfire)

[Ironside]

So I can vote 2 times than Moros?

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Unvote: Tom_Hagen
Vote: Sasaki

Horray, back to anti-mafia voting!

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Tally:

The Stranger = 6 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat)

Tom_Hagen = 5 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Ituralde, Moros, The Stranger)

Sasaki Kojiro = 5 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot)

Redleg = 2 (Crazed Rabbit, Orb)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

No Vote = 12 (Big King Sanctaphrax, CountArach, Destroyer of Hope, Drisos, Ironside, Luigi Vi di Fatlington, Masy, Papewaio, Reenk Roink, Sasaki Kojiro [director], Tom_Hagen, , Xdeathfire)

[CountArach]

Vote: Sasaki

Also, I'll correct the tally.

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Tally:

The Stranger = 6 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat)

Tom_Hagen = 5 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Ituralde, Moros, The Stranger)

Sasaki Kojiro = 7 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach)

Redleg = 2 (Crazed Rabbit, Orb)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

No Vote = 12 (Big King Sanctaphrax, CountArach, Destroyer of Hope, Drisos, Ironside, Luigi Vi di Fatlington, Masy, Papewaio, Reenk Roink, Sasaki Kojiro [director], Tom_Hagen, , Xdeathfire)

[Csargo]

Unvote: Tom_Hagen
Vote: Sasaki

Horray, back to anti-mafia voting.

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Tally:

The Stranger = 6 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat)

Tom_Hagen = 5 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Ituralde, Moros, The Stranger)

Sasaki Kojiro = 5 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot)

Redleg = 2 (Crazed Rabbit, Orb)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

No Vote = 12 (Big King Sanctaphrax, CountArach, Destroyer of Hope, Drisos, Ironside, Luigi Vi di Fatlington, Masy, Papewaio, Reenk Roink, Sasaki Kojiro [director], Tom_Hagen, , Xdeathfire)

I'm leaning more towards The Stranger as a likely Don with everyone of your posts.

[Moros]

So I can vote 2 times than Moros?

no you can't but apparantly you can vote and can't at the same time however.

[Pannonian]

I'm leaning more towards The Stranger as a likely Don with everyone of your posts.

The Stranger has a lotal cadre of supporters who are sure of his innocence, but who can't share evidence of his innocence with the public. Not only that, but he has indulged in an activity which can explain away guilty investigations, with these loyal supporters lying to protect him. And when it looked like he was the runaway leader in the vote to lynch, he and his supporters resort to emotional appeals - "I can't believe you're doing this", "I'm not going to play any more if I'm lynched".

There is nothing that will prove The Stranger and his gang guilty, mainly because they will always have evidence that proves them innocent. Evidence that we're not privy to, but which is enough for the core 3 and whoever else he lets in on his secrets.

[Pannonian]

TS, let me ask this straight. Who killed AndresTheCunning? Why did you kill him?

[Moros]

TS, let me ask this straight. Who killed AndresTheCunning? Why did you kill him?

how manny times do we have to show the pm where he asks me to join up and create a dutch mafia?

[Csargo]

The Stranger has a lotal cadre of supporters who are sure of his innocence, but who can't share evidence of his innocence with the public. Not only that, but he has indulged in an activity which can explain away guilty investigations, with these loyal supporters lying to protect him. And when it looked like he was the runaway leader in the vote to lynch, he and his supporters resort to emotional appeals - "I can't believe you're doing this", "I'm not going to play any more if I'm lynched".

There is nothing that will prove The Stranger and his gang guilty, mainly because they will always have evidence that proves them innocent. Evidence that we're not privy to, but which is enough for the core 3 and whoever else he lets in on his secrets.

Yes, well doesn't a Don that get's investigated show up as innocent? If he get's investigated and it shows up innocent then we'll know he's lieing. Whether he is truely whatever he says he is can't be found out until he is killed or lynced and his autopsy is performed.

[The Stranger]

unvote Tom_Hagen Vote: Sasaki

Tally:

The Stranger = 6 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat)

Tom_Hagen = 5 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Ituralde, Moros)

Sasaki Kojiro = 8 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS)

Redleg = 2 (Crazed Rabbit, Orb)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

[Csargo]

unvote Tom_Hagen Vote: Sasaki

Tally:

The Stranger = 6 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat)

Tom_Hagen = 5 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Ituralde, Moros)

Sasaki Kojiro = 8 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS)

Redleg = 2 (Crazed Rabbit, Orb)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

My only hope is that three people vote you.

[Pannonian]

TS, are you up for that deal we talked about? I don't know if Sasaki if innocent or not - I certainly wouldn't want him alive in the endgame - but I do know what you have done is detrimental to the town. As Ituralde and Kagemusha have said, the idea is to win the game, not to survive. To clear the way for the detectives, you and the other vigilantes will have to die, there is no getting round the rules. If I prove this isn't some mafia plot against the townies, will you follow for the good of the town? Or will you cling on, rendering the most powerful pro-town roles in the game useless in pursuit of your own personal survival?

[Moros]

The Stranger has a lotal cadre of supporters who are sure of his innocence, but who can't share evidence of his innocence with the public. Not only that, but he has indulged in an activity which can explain away guilty investigations, with these loyal supporters lying to protect him. And when it looked like he was the runaway leader in the vote to lynch, he and his supporters resort to emotional appeals - "I can't believe you're doing this", "I'm not going to play any more if I'm lynched".

There is nothing that will prove The Stranger and his gang guilty, mainly because they will always have evidence that proves them innocent. Evidence that we're not privy to, but which is enough for the core 3 and whoever else he lets in on his secrets.

We don't have evidence he's pro-town. But I don't rememver to have seen eveidence of you being innocent or pro-town. And your behaviour ofcourse is far from suspicious, huh? Quite the contrary. You can't prove your innocence in this game. Even when investigated. Only two turns after someone died we now the truth.

Pannonian, tell me can you prove your innocence? No you can't. Nor can I. No-one can. And may I say just one more time that you yourselve act suspicious? Yes TS has his bizarre ways of doing stuff. That I must admit. But he did hand us out quite a few mafiosi didn't he? What did you, except for wild aacusation to TS, me and sasaki? Nothing have you done except for trying to make the most mafiosi searching ones look suspicious. More and more am I thinking you could be a mafioso. Your goal is being achieved instead of a town looking for clues on the last mafioso family. People are just quarreling about those who have done most of the work for town victory. I haven't seen clues anymore to mafiosi since you got started up attacking us. Strange, don't you think? It's to late this turn. But you will get my vote next turn. If anyone is suspicious now, it is you! What have you done for town nothing! the stranger? Look at the amount of dead mafiosi! That is what he's been doing. You don't even have a reason to suspect damn it. The only thing you have is that he behaves a little bit bizarre at times. Well if he wouldn't then I'd have ly suspicions. Sorry, Pan, but you're the one looking Mafioso to me.

[Orb]

Unvote, Vote: TS

The self-preservation votes really tick me off.

Tally:

The Stranger = 7 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat, Orb)

Tom_Hagen = 5 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Ituralde, Moros)

Sasaki Kojiro = 8 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS)

Redleg = 1 (Crazed Rabbit)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

[Moros]

corrected tally (verry big sigh.):

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Tally:
The Stranger = 7 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat, orb)
Tom_Hagen = 4 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Ituralde, Moros)
Sasaki Kojiro = 8 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS)
Redleg = 1 (Crazed Rabbit)
Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

Edit: orb's vote.

[Ituralde]

Unvote: Tom_Hagen
Vote: The Stranger

[Moros]

this is going to be a loooong game...

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Tally:
The Stranger = 7 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat, orb, Ituralde)
Tom_Hagen = 3 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Moros)
Sasaki Kojiro = 8 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS)
Redleg = 1 (Crazed Rabbit)
Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

Edit: Seamus: could you state a final warning and then do some major WoG'ing? I know it eases up mafia victory but it also eases up the town's work.Only about 21 votes from a 40+ player game. Is a bit low if you ask me.

[Orb]

I'll do Gert's work for him

Tally:
The Stranger = 8 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat, Orb, Ituralde)
Tom_Hagen = 3 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Moros)
Sasaki Kojiro = 8 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS)
Redleg = 1 (Crazed Rabbit)
Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

Edit: Snap!

[Crazed Rabbit]

Well, if it's coming down to the choice between the misleading vigilante and the suspected, self proclaimed detected, I'm going to have to
unvote: Redleg
vote: The Stranger

EDIT: Redone Tally:

The Stranger = 9 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat, Crazed Rabbit, Ituralde)

Tom_Hagen = 3 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Moros)

Sasaki Kojiro = 8 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

Crazed Rabbit

[Pannonian]

Yes, well doesn't a Don that get's investigated show up as innocent? If he get's investigated and it shows up innocent then we'll know he's lieing. Whether he is truely whatever he says he is can't be found out until he is killed or lynced and his autopsy is performed.

The thing is, a sensible Don will keep out of vigilante activities for this precise reason, while sending his Made and perhaps Luca on such a mission. Since the Don will always show up as innocent, no reason to mark him out like this. Instead, since the Mades and maybe even Luca will be doing the dirty work, it'll make sense to give them a guilty alibi. A vigilante action, if the town accepts it as a vigilante action and not a cover up operation for the mafia, will give the mafia underlings perfect cover for the rest of the game.

Whether or not Sasaki, Tom Hagen, etc. are mafia doesn't change the underlying reasoning that The Stranger and his fellow vigilantes have to go for the good of townie strategy. Otherwise we might as well have all the detectives revealed and killed off tonight for all the good they will do.

[Orb]

Tally corrected:

The Stranger = 9 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat, Crazed Rabbit, Orb)

Tom_Hagen = 4 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Ituralde, Moros)

Sasaki Kojiro = 8 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

[doc_bean]

Unvote: don,
Vote: Sasaki

Tally:

The Stranger = 9 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat, Crazed Rabbit, Orb)

Tom_Hagen = 3( HughTower, Ituralde, Moros)

Sasaki Kojiro = 9 (doc_bean,ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

[Moros]

first of all Crazed Rabbit's tally is worng. Pannonian, you haven't missed my post, now did you? What if killing us might get your detectives dead?

Edit: thanks doc_bean and orb.

[Pannonian]

We don't have evidence he's pro-town. But I don't rememver to have seen eveidence of you being innocent or pro-town. And your behaviour ofcourse is far from suspicious, huh? Quite the contrary. You can't prove your innocence in this game. Even when investigated. Only two turns after someone died we now the truth.

Pannonian, tell me can you prove your innocence? No you can't. Nor can I. No-one can. And may I say just one more time that you yourselve act suspicious? Yes TS has his bizarre ways of doing stuff. That I must admit. But he did hand us out quite a few mafiosi didn't he? What did you, except for wild aacusation to TS, me and sasaki? Nothing have you done except for trying to make the most mafiosi searching ones look suspicious. More and more am I thinking you could be a mafioso. Your goal is being achieved instead of a town looking for clues on the last mafioso family. People are just quarreling about those who have done most of the work for town victory. I haven't seen clues anymore to mafiosi since you got started up attacking us. Strange, don't you think? It's to late this turn. But you will get my vote next turn. If anyone is suspicious now, it is you! What have you done for town nothing! the stranger? Look at the amount of dead mafiosi! That is what he's been doing. You don't even have a reason to suspect damn it. The only thing you have is that he behaves a little bit bizarre at times. Well if he wouldn't then I'd have ly suspicions. Sorry, Pan, but you're the one looking Mafioso to me.

And what will you do if I show you incontrovertible evidence that I'm not mafia? Will you and your fellow vigilantes kill yourselves off for the good of the town?