Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[Csargo]

Unvote:Andres
Vote:Abstain

[Proletariat]

Hm, very bizarre. I got the very same PM from Andres, as well. The third person thing is also something I noticed when reading it, and was curious who might've written (I was figuring maybe his Don)

Anyway, here it is;

Hello My Lady,

I who wrote this message, am of the Maffia. Let me get to the point at once: we might be interested in recruiting you.
At this point we can't be sure if you're just a regular townie, or have a special role. As you could have derived from the rules, we only may investigate two people every night.
Since we can't be sure of you, you must start earning our trust...if you're interested, of course.
We want you to kill a person. Assuming you're just a regular townie: you'll need to find 3 co-conspirators to carry out a succesful murder. You'll need to do this yourself.
As for your victims: pick one of the following:
Banquo's Ghost, Pevergreen, or Sigurd Fafnesbane
Your conspirators may not include: Beirut, ByzantineKnight, Cowhead418, Doc_Bean, Hepcat, HughTower, Ichigo, Ignoramus, Kommodus, Kralizec, Redleg, Reenk Roink, Sasaki Kojiro, Sir Moody, The Stranger, Ultrawar or Zalmoxis. You may not include one from the list of potential victims either, even those you did not select for the kill.
If you manage to pull it off this night-phase, well done. The next nigh-phase would be acceptable as well, however.
You may mention to your fellow conspirators that this act is to bring you into the good graces of one of the crime families (and that they’re also eligible), but you may not mention the contents of this PM.
When you have arranged the conspiracy and sent a PM to Seamus Ferganagh indicating that you want to kill someone from the list of potential victims, PM AndrestheCunning back and ask him to deliver it to his Maffia contact, before Seamus Ferganagh posts the results. When you’ve completed your mission, we just might have a career opening for you.

Signed: a maffioso

Whoever saved me, thanks. Got a bit to ponder here, will post in a bit

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

P.S. With his moderator powers, I'm sure he knows how to forge a PM.

Can you expand upon your reasoning here? There's no moderator training camp where you're taught to forge PMs, kill a man with a pencil, etc.

[Pannonian]

Well isn't that just


GH's list is interesting, but recall that in this game being killed doesn't prove you are innocent. We'll know in a round (or 2?) what his role was. Meanwhile, I expect those four will be taken out by mafia families eager to gain an advantage.

So I'll

Vote:Pannonian

I'd expect him to know better than to trust a list like that at face value and go for the names. Remember if GH was mafia he would have listed 4 innocents.

I trust GH's list because I got it from another source that he's a doctor, ie. he didn't tell me himself. Admittedly it was the same line of thinking that got me voting Andres in the first place, as I was equally convinced Ichigo is non-Mafia for good reason. But while GH and Ichigo may make mistakes, I don't think they're maliciously manipulating things.

[Ironside]

Well, the obvious trail for leads about the supplier of AndrestheCunning's message is that it's one of Beirut, ByzantineKnight, Cowhead418, General Hankerchief, Hepcat, HughTower, Ignoramus, Kommodus, Kralizec, Pevergreen, Redleg, Reenk Roink, Sasaki Kojiro, Sir Moody, The Stranger, Ultrawar or Zalmoxis, and that this person knows Andres (assumed due to certify a correct delivery). By Andres forum habits I would guess that the person is a frontroomer.

Possibly Dutch...

But currently I doesn't have the time to make a more through analysis so:
Vote: Abstain

[Crazed Rabbit]

Dangit. Is it fair using non-participants? Clever, I suppose.

He's got pretty good ties with Andres.

Any more evidence? I suppose I'll go for it right now, assuming Ichigo goes through with the suicide. Pannonian is suspicious - I'd like a little more info from GH on how he got those names of supposed mafia, as I don't think a detective could investigate so many so quickly.


Unvote: Andres -thestillcunning
Vote: TheStranger

Personally, I still want to know why Proletariat & Sasaki were saved - and by who?

Sasaki- a group of townies, I suspect.
Prole- not enough manpower in a townie kill group.

Crazed Rabbit

[Motep]

In light of the New Informaton...I will have to:

Vote: Beirut

I doubt as to our directors innocence...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I trust GH's list because I got it from another source that he's a doctor, ie. he didn't tell me himself. Admittedly it was the same line of thinking that got me voting Andres in the first place, as I was equally convinced Ichigo is non-Mafia for good reason. But while GH and Ichigo may make mistakes, I don't think they're maliciously manipulating things.

Maybe, maybe not. One mafia could easily say his partner was mafia.

Anyway, there is no point in lynching anyone from the list. If they are mafia they will be killed by mafia. In a day or two we'll know GH's alignment at least and can move from there.

Our time would be much better spent on finding someone suspicious to lynch.

[Kralizec]

...............

Andres isn't new. He's also Dutch if that helps any.

Don't let him hear that, he probably will get mad

Unvote: Andres
Vote: Abstain

I doubt TheStranger is behind this. The PM doesn't look like something he would write.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

In light of the New Informaton...I will have to:

Vote: Beirut

I doubt as to our directors innocence...

Why do you doubt it exactly?

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

From my substantial experience of moderating The Stranger's posts, I can say almost certainly that the PM is not him. The english is too good (No offence, TS, it's much better than my Dutch).

However, no native English speaker would take so little care of his verbs as to write

I who wrote this message, am of the Maffia.

I think we can conclude that this is one of our European posters, possibly Dutch, as that would tie him to Andres.

[JimBob]

Well damn. The Stranger is new and is coming in with new tricks that haven't been thought of yet, he seems tight with Andres so...

Vote: Andres

I would also like to call out GH. You say you are giving us what you know, but who is the friend who gave you that info and how did they come about it?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

People are still voting Andres

[Pannonian]

Well damn. The Stranger is new and is coming in with new tricks that haven't been thought of yet, he seems tight with Andres so...

Vote: Andres

I would also like to call out GH. You say you are giving us what you know, but who is the friend who gave you that info and how did they come about it?

Andres isn't playing. That's what the fuss is about, otherwise he'd have been lynched by a landslide by now.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Um, Andres isn't playing...

Following BKS's post, I will
Unvote: TheStranger

and await further developments - who's playing and is Dutch?

CR

[HughTower]

Can I also add that there is no point voting to lynch Beirut? As the director, he is un-lynchable (I think?).

[Pannonian]

Um, Andres isn't playing...

Following BKS's post, I will
Unvote: TheStranger

and await further developments - who's playing and is Dutch?

CR

Dutch Guy?

[GeneralHankerchief]

I doubt TheStranger is behind this. The PM doesn't look like something he would write.

Oh really?

It's interesting, because a standout word in that PM was "maffia." With two F's.

Now, a quick search for "maffia" brings some interesting results.

i missed it... couldt be on sooner... i have exam periods now :P really good time... stupid exams.. screwing up my maffia game...

Who wants to be recruited by me?

And that's not the only time where it comes up, oh, no.

For those of you wondering why I signed up but practicly didn't participate in GHC's last maffia game, I was on a vacation for a week long and after that was held up by some other unforeseen events, including a computer breakdown

Godfather 1

I've been following this thread whenever I had the time, but was never in time to vote. Sorry about that.
I have a hunch on who it might be, but given my terrible voting record in the last maffia...

Mafia III

Man, being the first to vote for Silver Rushers execution really makes me proud. Kinda like Joseph McCarthy.

Seriously though, I really thought he was trying to hard to appear innocent.

There were 2 maffia members from the start, right?

Mafia II

~~~~~~~~~

Those were the only games that Kralizec played. I believe he is Dutch, as is Andres.

LYNCH

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Dutch guys english is good.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Krazilec does seem like the obvious candidate. His English is good, but not flawless-the PM seems like something he'd write.

I Vote: Krazilec.

Edit: Dammit, I forgot about Dutch_Guy. I'm going to let my vote for Krazilec stand, and see if he defends himself; however I may change to Dutch_Guy depending on discussion.

[Crazed Rabbit]

The Who the hell are you anyway? A compilation of Orgah summations. thread tells us Kralizec is Dutch.

So, Vote: Kralizec.

Also, Dutch_Guy's english is pretty good, I think.

CR

[Motep]

I will:

Unvote:Beirut...

and wait and see...

[HughTower]

I was wondering about those ff's and how to use them. Didn't even cross my mind to think of the search function. Nice job.

I'll watch this carefully & see if he defends himself, before I change my vote.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I will:

Unvote:Beirut...

and wait and see...

Unvote, Vote:Motep

I'm not keen on lynching someone from a pm where bad english could have bene faked, where we don't know if Andres himself wrote it, or many other things. It's just not a winning play. Motep on the other hand jumped on the Beirut baseless wagon, unvoted it when pressed just a little and is now apparently looking for another wagon to join.

[Stig]

Unvote: Andres


Vote: some Dutch speaker (being Doc_Bean, Dutch Guy, Kralizec, Moros, Stig, The Stranger)
It has to be someone active in the Frontroom.
That means Dutch Guy and Krazilec are gone imo.
That leaves Doc, Moros (aka Gertgregoor), Stranger and myself
I know I didn't do it, so that leaves 3
Stranger is Dutch and Andres Belgian. Moros wasn't active if I'm correct, so:

Vote: Doc Bean

[Cowhead418]

Well, this certainly has been an interesting twist. I would like to know how GH's friend got the dirt on the alleged mafiosi. One possible way GH got that info is that his friend is a sell-out. Unless I'm missing something here, and that some roles have more omniscient powers than I'm aware of, then there has to be a traitor out there (assuming the info is valid). The problem with this theory is that the mafia family who was betrayed would have an easy time smoking out the weasel. Another possible theory is that the "friend" was approached by recruiters for the mafia (or gathered info from others about other recruitment offers) and decided to speak out. Of course, this would involve some incompetency on the part of the mafia. It could also be that GH is lying, or received some faulty info. It really could just be an attempt to stir up a reaction, and to draw attention away.

So we've either got a mafioso who attempted an 'insider' role for the town (but has now been exposed to his family members), a client who wishes to punish his potential employers, or someone who's trying to get a reaction by throwing around rumors. Any other possibilities out there, anyone?

As for voting, I'm not really feeling any 'guilty' vibes from anyone at the moment, so I shall Vote: Abstain for this round.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

The grammatical mistake doesn't seem like one Doc would make.

[Motep]

Unvote, Vote:Motep

I'm not keen on lynching someone from a pm where bad english could have bene faked, where we don't know if Andres himself wrote it, or many other things. It's just not a winning play. Motep on the other hand jumped on the Beirut baseless wagon, unvoted it when pressed just a little and is now apparently looking for another wagon to join.

...I am not jumping onto wagons!
Vote: Sasaki

[Stig]

About the spelling mistake.
In Dutch Mafia is written Maffia, so anyone would make that mistake

[HughTower]

Unvote: Andres


Vote: some Dutch speaker (being Doc_Bean, Dutch Guy, Kralizec, Moros, Stig, The Stranger)
It has to be someone active in the Frontroom.
That means Dutch Guy and Krazilec are gone imo.
That leaves Doc, Moros (aka Gertgregoor), Stranger and myself
I know I didn't do it, so that leaves 3
Stranger is Dutch and Andres Belgian. Moros wasn't active if I'm correct, so:

Vote: Doc Bean

So you can confirm that maffia is a generic Dutch-style spelling of the word, rather than an idiosyncratic spelling mistake?