Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[pevergreen]

Yes, well....I have so much infomation...but how much of it to share. am sorry "maffia" people, it was I who showed GeneralH your message

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Hello Pevergreen,

I who wrote this message, am of the Maffia. Let me get to the point at once: we might be interested in recruiting you.
At this point we can't be sure if you're just a regular townie, or have a special role. As you could have derived from the rules, we only may investigate two people every night.
Since we can't be sure of you, you must start earning our trust...if you're interested, of course.
We want you to kill a person. Assuming you're just a regular townie: you'll need to find 3 co-conspirators to carry out a succesful murder. You'll need to do this yourself.
As for your victims: pick one of the following:
Doc_Bean, General Hankerchief or Redleg
Your conspirators may not include: Banquo's Ghost, Beirut, ByzantineKnight, Cowhead418, Hepcat, HughTower, Ichigo, Ignoramus, Kommodus, Kralizec, Proletariat, Reenk Roink, Sasaki Kojiro, Sir Moody, The Stranger, Ultrawar or Zalmoxis. You may not include one from the list of potential victims either, even those you did not select for the kill.
If you manage to pull it off this night-phase, well done. The next nigh-phase would be acceptable as well, however.
You may mention to your fellow conspirators that this act is to bring you into the good graces of one of the crime families (and that they’re also eligible), but you may not mention the contents of this PM.
When you have arranged the conspiracy and sent a PM to Seamus Ferganagh indicating that you want to kill someone from the list of potential victims, PM AndrestheCunning back and ask him to deliver it to his Maffia contact, before Seamus Ferganagh posts the results. When you’ve completed your mission, we just might have a career opening for you.

Signed: a maffioso

I would keep it silent, but i asked General H for some help, and as each one you sent would have been different, you would know anyway.

Mine Kaiser!

On voting, i Vote: Abstain for now...

[Stig]

So you can confirm that maffia is a generic Dutch-style spelling of the word, rather than an idiosyncratic spelling mistake?

yes I made a post while you were typing

[Sasaki Kojiro]

About the spelling mistake.
In Dutch Mafia is written Maffia, so anyone would make that mistake

By search, Sigurd and Peasant Phill have spelled it that way. The dutch thing makes more sense now though.

I still don't think it's particularly useful.

[HughTower]

yes I made a post while you were typing

Great minds......

[Cowhead418]

About the spelling mistake.
In Dutch Mafia is written Maffia, so anyone would make that mistake

Ah, yes, but a mistake that Krazelic has made several times over the course of many mafia games. I just noticed your post, GH. Good find! The only problem remains is that someone with knowledge like this could have faked it to draw suspicion onto our Dutch members. At any rate, I'm going to see how Krazelic defends himself before casting a vote.

[Sigurd]

I know doc and Dutch from previous games and they spell mafia with one f...
Hence I am going to go with GH’s find.

Vote: Kralizec

For those who doubt GH’s reveal, I shall at least confirm the part were we conspired together. I only knew about Kage as he would not disclose the others in our little group. Alas, I think we can call our group dissolved.

This only shows how dangerous it is to kill of some of the veterans… as they might get a little vindictive.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Hello Ichigo,

I who wrote this message, am of the Maffia. Let me get to the point at once: we might be interested in recruiting you.
At this point we can't be sure if you're just a regular townie, or have a special role. As you could have derived from the rules, we only may investigate two people every night.
Since we can't be sure of you, you must start earning our trust...if you're interested, of course.
We want you to kill a person. Assuming you're just a regular townie: you'll need to find 3 co-conspirators to carry out a succesful murder. You'll need to do this yourself.
As for your victims: pick one of the following:
Banquo's Ghost, Doc_Bean or Proletariat
Your conspirators may not include: Beirut, ByzantineKnight, Cowhead418, General Hankerchief, Hepcat, HughTower, Ignoramus, Kommodus, Kralizec, Pevergreen, Redleg, Reenk Roink, Sasaki Kojiro, Sir Moody, The Stranger, Ultrawar or Zalmoxis. You may not include one from the list of potential victims either, even those you did not select for the kill.
If you manage to pull it off this night-phase, well done. The next nigh-phase would be acceptable as well, however.
You may mention to your fellow conspirators that this act is to bring you into the good graces of one of the crime families (and that they’re also eligible), but you may not mention the contents of this PM.
When you have arranged the conspiracy and sent a PM to Seamus Ferganagh indicating that you want to kill someone from the list of potential victims, PM AndrestheCunning back and ask him to deliver it to his Maffia contact, before Seamus Ferganagh posts the results. When you’ve completed your mission, we just might have a career opening for you.

Signed: a maffioso

This is clearly the work of an educated non-native English speaker.

‘Let me get to the point at once’ instead of straight to the point, ‘get you in good graces’ instead of ‘get you into good graces’. ‘derive from the rules’ ‘we only may’ instead of we may only, ‘Since we can't be sure of you’. ‘You’ve’, ‘you’ll’, ‘can’t’ everywhere, instead of you have, you will or can not.

Some of these constructions would be used by native speakers, but not this many in a single short text. And I didn’t even mention half of them. There are too many of these non-native constructions. And there is a certain ‘unnaturalness’ to the language, and some spelling mistakes that are quite telling: ‘Contents’; ‘3’ not spelled in letters as in proper English; ‘successful’. Success in English has a double s, not a single one as in Flemish. Maffia is also Flemish for the more common single 'f' mafia in English.

This is the work of a Flemish or Dutch speaker, or someone impossibly good at imitating their writing style.

Wait, did I say Flemish? Isn’t AndresTheCunning from Flanders? And a lawyer, that is, an educated non-native English speaker? And isn’t surrealism a Belgian invention?

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Well actually there is some truth in that.

We have elections next year. Those elections are necessary to change our constitution and to make some important changes in the organisation of our state. Important negotiations are at hand and they might be decisive for the continuation of our country as a whole. If these negotations would fail, we might split up for real in the long run. Our state is currently in transition towards a real federal state and the current chaotic, abominable structure and organisation needs a change asap.

The "strong support for the extremistic party Vlaams belang" exists for a long time. What is new is the current position of the CD&V towards the "staatshervorming" like it is called. The CD&V, which cannot be considered as an "extremistic" party, but as a Center-right one, made some serious and rather hard statements towards the walloons. Off course, alot of walloons call the CD&V also an extremistic party nowadays, allthough their claims are very reasonable and realistic. Calling the CD&V "extremistic" is ridiculous.

Anyway, the timing for this kind of jokes could have been better.

This "joke" also shows the power of the media and how they can make us believe what they want us to believe (it lasted for more then 10 minutes, before they mentioned it was a joke, only after the walloon minister of media demanded it (RTBF is the official walloon tv-station)). Meanwhile alot of walloons were panicking and reacting with fear, disbelief and even anger. Things would have gotten out of hand very easily if it would have last for another 10 or 15 minutes.

A lot of journalists seem to have ruined their reputation, since they've lost a lot of credibility.

The current climate of our country does not leave many room for this kind of jokes and it was dumb. Very dumb and irresponsable.

[pevergreen]

But all of that can still be faked...hard to do but still possible.

[Stig]

I know doc and Dutch from previous games and they spell mafia with one f...
Hence I am going to go with GH’s find.

If that's true, then:
Unvote: Doc
Vote: Moros

Andres is mainly active in the Frontroom, and Krazilec hasn't been in there for ages really. Moros however is quite active, next to that he's also a Belgian. And they seem to like eachother, in a forumy-sense of way.

[Reenk Roink]

I am so lost...

Vote: Reenk Roink (courteously)

PS: Who would win:

(a kid with a pogo stick pony, a toy sword, and a hyperactive imagination)

or

(chester the goldfish)

?

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

I don't see why it would need to be someone active in the Frontroom. Andres posts in the backroom quite a bit.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Doing a search, Kralizecs english seems much better than the pm's. Disappointed in how lazy some of the townies are being. If they are indeed townies.

[Stig]

I don't see why it would need to be someone active in the Frontroom. Andres posts in the backroom quite a bit.

The Talk Your Own Language Thread is in the Frontroom

[Redleg]

As dawn begins to show its pale gray light I awake from a fitful night of sleep, body drenched in sweat from the nightmares of the past. The words of Chief Fermanagh brought back distant memories of a time past, a small town on the plains, a prairie fire, a horrible serious of murders deep in the dark, long days of death and fear as the vigilantes ran amuck not caring about the truth, only to lynch others on the slightest whim of personal slights and even older wrongs.

As I get out of my bed, I look over to an old wooden chest and begin to think about the contents contained within that ancient chest. Are the instruments of my past needed, or will calmer heads and wisdom prevail with this committee of vigilance.

As the sun breaks the horizon, the news of the nights events brings about a necessity to make a choice.

As the crowd and its mummers begin to grow, the path becomes clear........

[pevergreen]

Unvote:Abstain
Vote: Redleg

His post above mine makes him scary to me. And for lack of anyone better.

"mummers" are growing I couldnt resist.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

You guys voting Beirut are aware he can't be killed, right?

[JimBob]

Andres isn't playing. That's what the fuss is about, otherwise he'd have been lynched by a landslide by now

Yes yes. This is what I get for posting while talking on the phone. My mind has been dulled by the end of finals exams.

Vote changed accordingly...

[Louis VI the Fat]

Dutch and Flemish players that I can think of:

Aggony Duck
Alexander the Pretty Good
Banquo's Ghost
Beirut
Big King Sanctaphrax
ByzantineKnight
Caius Flaminius
Copperhaired Berzerker
CountArach
Cowhead418
Crazed Rabbit
Destroyer of Hope
Doc_Bean F
Drisos D
Dutch Guy D
General Hankerchief
Hepcat
HughTower
Ichigo [f.k.a. Csar]
Ignoramus
Ironside
Ituralde
JimBob
Kagemusha
Kommodus
Kralizec D
Lord Motep of Kendermore
Louis VI The Fat
Major Robert Dump
Marcusbrutus
Masy
Moros F
Orb
Omanes Alexandropolites
Pannonian
Papewaio
Peasant Phil F
Pevergreen
Pindar
Proletariat
Redleg
Reenk Roink
Sasaki Kojiro
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Sir Boo
Sir Moody
Stig D
theRTWGuru
The Stranger D
Tom Hagen [nom-de-mafia for Don C]
Tribesman
Ultrawar
Warluster
Xdeathfire
Xiahou
Zalmoxis

I may have missed some that I'm unaware of.

Stig, Andres, Doc_Bean, The Stranger are big buddies here

[CountArach]

Hmmm, to little evidence at this point. There are manywho appear guilty, but nothing that will push my vote one way or the other.

Vote: Abstain

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hmmm, to little evidence at this point. There are manywho appear guilty, but nothing that will push my vote one way or the other.

Vote: Abstain

You can at least comment a little though.

btw, at this rate we'll have 28 rounds!

[Motep]

You guys voting Beirut are aware he can't be killed, right?

Now you now why I changed my vote, Sasaki!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Now you now why I changed my vote, Sasaki!

Why didn't you say so originally then? It sounds like you couldn't think of a good reason until BKS posted that.

[Stig]

Stig, Andres, Doc_Bean, The Stranger are big buddies here

Aye that's why I vote Doc Bean or Moros

Seeing that pm it can't be Stranger, as he doesn't type capitals, and I doubt he would do it for just this once.
And I couldn't have done it for 2 reason:
a. I didn't send the pm
b. I forget words and letters.

which leaves Doc and Moros imo

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Also, the rules say nothing about Beirut being unlynchable, they only say he can't be killed. In the past the director position has been lynchable.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Aye that's why I vote Doc Bean or Moros

Seeing that pm it can't be Stranger, as he doesn't type capitals, and I doubt he would do it for just this once.
And I couldn't have done it for 2 reason:
a. I didn't send the pm
b. I forget words and letters.

which leaves Doc and Moros imo

Say it comes from a mafia group. Why would they have the person with the most obviously non english writing style write the pm? Unless the entire mafia group is dutch?

Sasaki

[Motep]

Also, the rules say nothing about Beirut being unlynchable, they only say he can't be killed. In the past the director position has been lynchable.

hmmm...he is lynchable, eh?....

[CountArach]

You can at least comment a little though.

btw, at this rate we'll have 28 rounds!

Alright:

I find the dutch accusation to be somewhat... ludicrous? I would need evidence of what time all of those PMs were sent. If it is slightly later than a normal time for a dutchman to be sending PMs, then I think that it is real, because consider that they would have to have spent a fair bit of time beforehand discussion and fomulating the PM.

EDIT: Typos

[pevergreen]

I reckon its not from the Mafia.

I believe its just to stir everyone up. We might even see more tonight?
Maybe not..but its hard to figure out when they PM through other people.

I wasnt attacked, was i?

[Stig]

Why would they have the person with the most obviously non english writing style write the pm?

Enough writing styles can be easely spotted. Some never type caps, some always use abbreviations.
This went through Andres, which mostlikely means one of the members is either Dutch or Belgian.

[CountArach]

I wasnt attacked, was i?

Sorry, got you confused with Proletariat.