Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

**Omanes Alexandrapolites** · 01-19-2007, 08:03

Sorry, but,
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 01-19-2007, 08:32

Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites

Sorry, but,
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro

because?

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 01-19-2007, 08:49

Also, could we get a vote count?

**Lord Winter** · 01-19-2007, 08:57

I think the dutch witchhunt we've gotten into is a red hearing, most likley planted by the mafioso. We've seen how effective they were in Mafia V, why not use them now? Under this logic it would be logical to vote for Ichigo, but he said he was going to commit sucidie. That and the fact that I have little time leads me to:
Vote: Abstain (Courteously)

**ByzantineKnight** · 01-19-2007, 09:52

About that Dutch/Flemish Witchhunt, it does not necessarily have to be anyone Dutch or Flemish, it could very well be any non-native english speaker, we forgot the "mispelling theory" that could have been the case...

I don't know who I beleve should be linched so...
Vote: Abstain

ByzantineKnight

**Ituralde** · 01-19-2007, 10:40

First I'd like to congratulate Seamus for hosting ths superb game, that has already become a Mafia classic, in my eyes, not least for the AndrestheCunning bandwagon. Hilarious!

Now let's see what transpired. I may repeat somethings mentioned by others, but with so many posts I guess it can't hurt to repeat some stuff lest it gets missed.
Sasaki was attacked by several individuals and then saved by three people, leading to the conclusion that a Townie group attacked and another Townie group defended him.
Proletariat on the other hand was saved by one individual. I don't understand where the clues for a small kill group come into play.

Now Ichigos reveal seems pretty genuine to me and I'm inclined to beleive him, given the other evidence we have gotten from other people receiving a recruiting message. Although I respect the effort Redleg has put into analyzing the people mentioned in that PM I think it has gone beyond us to control them anymore. With the information available in this thread anyone can take AndrestheCunnings original PM and just insert all the names he likes. Also the Dutch/Flemish-witchhunt is leading us nowhere. Have you considered that AndrestheCunning could really have written the PM and just gotten instructions to its contents: Give those three names as targets, don't let those guys be lynched and add some yadda-yadda about Mafia recruiting.
We should keep the things mentioned in mind but don't read too much into it please.

Then comes GHs reveal, who is obviously pissed at getting killed so early. While I can understand his sentiments I'm not really buying his reveal. So he's claiming to be doctor but then posts a PM from a townie which he has accquired somehow? Now, if I were doctor I would post my doctor PM to prove this. Currently I don't think GH is really helping the town. His claims of forming a townie group may be correct, but all in all I think he was Mafia and no tries to confuse the town by throwing names around.
Just remember that with several Mafia families, nobody that is killed can be seen as innocent. Everyone is suspicious.

Well that covers most of the happenings so far. With so many people floating around a lynching shouldn't hurt the town too much.

Vote: Omanes Alexandrapolites

His reason for voting Sasaki is just ridiculous and I don't see him contributing.

**HughTower** · 01-19-2007, 11:09

Nice analysis by Redleg, & succinct summation by Ituralde. Personally, I don't find the 'maffia' mispelling & idiosyncratic language (as analysed by louis) a red herring at all, but think it rings more or less true. I think the use of an outside figure to send the recruitment PM is brilliant, and should be considered completely valid. I also think that a lynching would help things, given the size of the field & the information we'll learn in few day's time about them. My shortlist is then (in no particular order):

Proletariat (for reasons I've given earlier that she was protected, maybe by a Luca)
Moros (for the Flemish thing)
Reenk Roink (for voting for himself to be lynched)

**Andres** · 01-19-2007, 11:31

Speaking of the devil

Just passing by to say how much fun I have had so far reading all your theories

Guess I'll have to change my name in "AndresTheBastard" after this.

Originally Posted by Ichigo

Andres isn't new. He's also Dutch if that helps any.

Kill Ichigo. Calling me Dutch. GAH!

**ByzantineKnight** · 01-19-2007, 11:45

Originally Posted by HughTower

Proletariat (for reasons I've given earlier that she was protected, maybe by a Luca)

Oh yah, I had forgotten about that, I don't think I agree with CrazedRabbit about it being a "insufficent members" attempted kill...

If it was a Insufficent Member attempted kill then it would have been more like "She cried out and her attackers seeing that the townspeople were coming to her aid and they were not powerful enough to withstand the tide of newcomers; fled" or something like that (or Seamus might not even have mentioned the attack).

If it was a doctor/surgeon save it would have said the doctor managed to heal her wounds or the like.

It cannot be a self-save, thus I think, by elimination, that it must have been a Luca save. Which coincidentaly could have had that write-up.

Vote: Proletariat
(No offence)

ByzantineKnight

Edit: I'm not quite sure I trust Ichigo either, but I'll let that go for now.

**doc_bean** · 01-19-2007, 11:52

My god, this game is going to take over my life if people keep posting this much.

Okay: first Andres, he is indeed Flemish, not Dutch and posts a lot in the TYOLT, as do a lot of people playing here, including Drisos, Stig, TheStranger, me and quite a few others pop up occasionally. So this would point to one of us Dutch speakers, especially with the 'maffia' mistake. Then again it might be a set up.
Andres is also quite an active greeter in the Entrance hall and plays PBM games I believe, and as mentioned before, he shouldn't be unknown to Backroomers.

Second: the names in the PM. Someone seems to be out for my blood, I showed up as a possible target on most of the PMs sent. I find it odd that Stig would still accuse me of sending them anyway. The fact that so many people got mentioned, and different people got mentioned might indicate that the person who actually made them enjoys chaos. For some reason TheStranger seems like someone who would enjoy something like this. Then again, I'd also see Sasaki pulling a stunt like this. Heck, even I appreciate a stunt like this (not that I would have done it, the A_Friend fiasco makes me think twice about pulling stunts, though perhaps that gave some people here an idea ?)

Third: Why are Townies going around killing people ??? Are those involved that desperate to become mafiosi ? Do the honourable thing and stay with the town folks, crime doesn't pay.

Last (Seamus please listen): Can we get a list of everyone involved in the game and the number of votes they've gotten ? And possibly an extension of the voting time ? There are so many people playing along, a lot of them in different time zones that it so much happens 'over night'. Dutch_Guy got lynched in Graffiti Mafia without getting the chance of defending himself and I suspect it would be even easier here to start a bandwagon against someone while they're asleep or at work.

**Omanes Alexandrapolites** · 01-19-2007, 10:05

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

because?

There is just a strange sense that I have that inspires me to think you may be mafia or pro-mafia. I may be wrong though, so please show me mercy, since I'm a reasonably new player.