Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[Stig]

GH's role will be revealed "on the 2nd day after his death". If he turns up innocent we'll look into the names then. If he turns up guilty then I would say those on the list are probably innocent. It is odd that he claimed doc but posted the townie pm.

Well I could comment on that list, since I'm on it, I could say the list is true and get lynched, I could say the list is false and get killed ... I doubt us 4 on the list can protect ourselves really.

[The Stranger]

where is the list?

[Pannonian]

Why should I... You can lynch me if you want to... But take in mind, the real mafia will endure and everybody non-mafia will be in peril for one day longer...

The kind of insubstantial non-defence we've seen in the past, and it's no more convincing now than it was before. If you're a pro-townie role, you should be working for a town victory whether or not you are executed by mistake. That you refuse to cooperate indicates either that you are a bad townie, in which case the town has no use for you, or you are a pro-Mafia role. Either way, unless you make a better case for yourself, the town is better rid of you.

I'll give you a name, go from there. MRD

And what role are you saying MRD has?

[HughTower]

The "self vote" is wifom again.

and

Why do you guys hate me so much?

I don't even have a clue what is going on in this game yet (currently on Page 12) and I'm a major lynch suspect and I don't even know why?

and

I am so lost...

Vote: Reenk Roink (courteously)

I do not much about the subleties of this game owing to my inexperience, but I would postulate that "self voting" is worth avoiding if you don't want a bandwagon in your name to start. I have never suggested that it is incontrovertible proof of guilt, but that act combined with his naming as mafia in GH's piqued reveal put forward a case which I thought he should attempt to answer. Voting for him was an attempt to provoke such an answer. And, note, he still hasn't answered it.

[Stig]

where is the list?

page 10?, GH posted it because he was out so early ... mind you let me say this:
I didn't have contact with anyone till yesterday
So I don't know how I told GH what I COULD be

[pevergreen]

When you find one clue (how obvious it may be) you immediatly assume it is the truth and you start screaming orders to kill and such instead of looking further for maybe less revealed hints. Good example is the Andres' Letter, one man said lynch Andres and everybody craved his name... He was not even in town... So after that one man said... It has to be a Dutchspeaker... and all of the sudden the only suspects were Dutch (The mass is stupid all of the sudden seems quite true)... The one that wrote the letter is probably laughing his ass of because Kralizec got the blame, and most people believe he did it too...

No they're not. They didnt want Krailzec dead, they wanted someone else. And just so everyone knows, the messenger is Dutch or Flemish. Which puts me out of question, since i was talking to him, and im australian.

But if we each try to prove ourselves innocent it could get bad.

As Pannonian said, you're either a bad townie or a pro-mafia. I believe you should be lynched next round, unless you can prove or convince me otherwise.

[The Stranger]

oh... ill only talk when i get protection... because when i say what i am ill either get lyched or killed by the mafia... but hey... maybe youre a mafia looking for a easy kill...

[ByzantineKnight]

oh... ill only talk when i get protection... because when i say what i am ill either get lyched or killed by the mafia... but hey... maybe youre a mafia looking for a easy kill...

Lucas/Vigilante Groups don't protect you from lynching, you still get killed (I think...)

[The Stranger]

im not afraid of the lynching... i can prove im innocent and also prove im a good townie...only proving that will get me killed...

[pevergreen]

Yeah, as its a night action.

But that makes it suspicious as to what you are. If you were a doctor, you wouldnt get lynched. If you were a townie, you wouldnt get lynched. If you were a mafia, you would get killed by another mafia family, or you would get lynched.

I think i have it! I dont trust GH's reveal, and you (stranger) said you were a don, therefore, i think you are a Don, and GH was your Luca!

Bahah! I think i have it!

[The Stranger]

says you... a few posts ago you said you were in connectiion with the mafia... so who is the bad townie now

[pevergreen]

I am in connection with the Mafia...does that mean i am mafia? No.

Lots of people are conection with the mafia, i count those pm's from Andres as contact.

Bad Townie? I was in a protection group last night. Were you?

A Mafia Don is threatening me with death unless i do a lot of work for him...i am paranoid.

[Pannonian]

im not afraid of the lynching... i can prove im innocent and also prove im a good townie...only proving that will get me killed...

Pro-town roles are supposed to work towards a town victory, if necessary by endangering themselves. They're not supposed to withold information that might benefit the town just to save their own skin. A townie that thinks only of himself is no better than a Mafia member, and a townie who misleads the town as you claim to be doing is even worse (see "Doing a Spartan"). Remember all townies share in a town victory, whether or not they survived the game.

So spill it, or face the rope.

[pevergreen]

Pann does nicely. But i think it could wait until GH role is revealed..that will put us on the right track. That will be tomorrow right?

I believe that the Stranger is a Don if, and only if GH is a luca. Otherwise it doesnt make sense to me.

So Stranger, if GH isnt a mafia(if thats all we get told)/luca, i humbly apologise.

But until then i will say you are.

[pevergreen]

Incredibly sorry for the double post, but i had to confirm.

I was contacted by The_Don, posing as a don, threatening me with death if i did not get The Stranger lynched. That is the motive behind my posts. I confronted this person, and found them to be fraudulent. I withdraw all my comments, as they were merely a ploy.

[The Stranger]

so stop accusing me, i'm no don...

[Motep]

This...innocent untill proven guilty. We cannot prove that the stranger is a don, or even a mafioso! We cant prove it! We will have to hold him under suspicion, but there is no just reason for doing anything else!

[Moros]

Damn I missed out a lot. Sorry but I was to bussy with organizing chrisostemos. (some sort of party for the 6th graders probably not known in most other countries) anyway this thread is monstrous. The one mafia game I lasted long in was about 18 pages when it was done. I wander how big it will be.

Okay a few comments on what I've read. "Maffia" might indeed be caused because of being a native dutch speaker (or perhaps and other language?) I think I've used both spellings in the past. Not sure. However I think I'd misspell successful quite a lot too. Tough I tend not to use words I don't know how to spell, unless I can't express myself differently. Now, could this mean it originated from a dutch player. Yes. But it could also be from a non dutch speaker. Successful is word that is spelled wrong by more than dutch speakers. Propably some english tough. About mispelling mafia, that however seems to be a word spelled by a dutch speaker. It could be a typo, but it somehow seems more likely that it is caused by a native language spelling. Which probably is dutch. Or perhaps another. Now we seem to have forgotten that it could also be Andres after all, he might not be a player, he frequents the gameroom and can try a stunt like ths without the fear he'd get killed or something as he isn't playing. conclusion: the writing style doesn't really gives a clear anwser.

I think the real awnser should perhaps lay in the names mentioned in the pm's. However I don't directly know how to find the awnser in it.

Also I'd like to know what program you can use for comparing text styles. I think it could be really usefull for discovering mafia members. Maybe they could use it to try and make a text which would look like that of a certain someone. But I think that would be a difficult and long job to do.

Now the most difficult part about this game is that for a lot of things to do like protecting or killing someone people will have to team up. This makes such actions verry dangerous to commit. As you kinda reveal yourself to those you team up with.

Anyway Seamus could we get more info about the secret roles? IT doesn't have to be verry specific. That would spoil it. But perhaps like how many of these are there and how manny people are it or something?

[Moros]

This...innocent untill proven guilty. We cannot prove that the stranger is a don, or even a mafioso! We cant prove it! We will have to hold him under suspicion, but there is no just reason for doing anything else!

strange post. Why do you really want the stranger not to be killed. Most people vote for people without much reasoning and like to bandwagon to save their skin etc... Are you freinds, do you know something about The_stranger or are you partners in crime,...?

[Motep]

strange post. Why do you really want the stranger not to be killed. Most people vote for people without much reasoning and like to bandwagon to save their skin etc... Are you freinds, do you know something about The_stranger or are you partners in crime,...?

I have no affiliation with the stranger, I just reccomend that we go about this with reason. We didnt come to this town to become a bunch of murderus psycopaths when faced with danger. We need to band together and rid this town of the Mafia!

[The Stranger]

GG, how can you do that... i thought we were a team!

I'm a good villager I swear...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

and



and



I do not much about the subleties of this game owing to my inexperience, but I would postulate that "self voting" is worth avoiding if you don't want a bandwagon in your name to start. I have never suggested that it is incontrovertible proof of guilt, but that act combined with his naming as mafia in GH's piqued reveal put forward a case which I thought he should attempt to answer. Voting for him was an attempt to provoke such an answer. And, note, he still hasn't answered it.

Sometimes mafia do it, sometimes townies do it.

I find it's best not to vote someone when you just want an answer to a question, otherwise it get's picked up on and band wagoned.

[Moros]

GG, how can you do that... i thought we were a team!

I'm a good villager I swear...

Do what, I didn't claim that you are a mafia, I only remarked that I find Lord Motep of Kendermore's post strange. THat's all. What do you mean with I tought we were a team? We're forum buddies, but what team? Do you mean pro-town, or what?

[The Stranger]

you cant deny it... You LOVE me...

[Louis VI the Fat]

I was contacted by The_Don, posing as a don, threatening me with death if i did not get The Stranger lynched. That is the motive behind my posts. I confronted this person, and found them to be fraudulent. I withdraw all my comments, as they were merely a ploy.

Hello Pevergreen,


'The_Don' is a junior member who joined yesterday, with zero posts.

Now that would indicate fraudulence, wouldn't it?


Did you base all the speculation in your last five posts on this connection?

[The Stranger]

when will the next phase begin?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hello Pevergreen,


'The_Don' is a junior member who joined yesterday, with zero posts.

Now that would indicate fraudulence, wouldn't it?


Did you base all the speculation in your last five posts on this connection?

User "The_Don" has the same registration IP as user "The_Stranger".

I'm thinking he's scum.


Mod powers ftw!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Also I'd like to suggest we implement stig's (?) suggestion that we keep a running tally of the votes. Whenever you post a vote, update the tally at the bottom of your post.

[Pannonian]

That means people should not change their votes by editing an earlier post. Instead, vote in the following format.

Unvote: TosaInu
Vote: Ser Clegane

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Running Tally
Ser Clegane 1 (Pannonian)

[The Stranger]

User "The_Don" has the same registration IP as user "The_Stranger".

I'm thinking he's scum.


Mod powers ftw!

that proves nothing... I was trying to find out about mafia players... but you blew my cover... good job.