Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

**Pannonian** · 01-21-2007, 08:11

Both pevergreen and motep have been erratic in their arguments, but pevergreen has written some substance. I think it might be worth lynching him to see what the post-mortem says in 2 days time.

Select: Redleg
Vote: pevergreen

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The_Stranger, I am still waiting for your answer to my question. What was your riddle supposed to gain?

**Pannonian** · 01-21-2007, 08:19

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Hmm, we need to sort this The_Stranger thing out. He sent me a pm claiming that pever was mafia. I assumed he was the detective or something, but rereading the pm it seems he's claiming townie. But then how can he be sure of anything?

I'm thinking the_stranger is messing around backstage here, spreading lies. Suspicious.

I'm inclined to lynch all three of them, one after another. You favour motep this round, I favour pevergreen, The_Stranger must follow. Once they're all dead, we can learn from the autopsy of the first one, and things will be clearer from there.

PS. It may be tempting to form a townie group to kill suspects, to avoid having to wait to lynch them. However, AFAICS, pro-mafia roles can also join with townies in these vigilante groups. It's better to form a doctor group and test your innocence by protecting a likely target. If the protection fails, it means one of the group is mafia, and the town has new leads. In contrast, vigilante groups do not provide additional information on who may or may not be mafia.

**CountArach** · 01-21-2007, 09:11

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Hmm, we need to sort this The_Stranger thing out. He sent me a pm claiming that pever was mafia. I assumed he was the detective or something, but rereading the pm it seems he's claiming townie. But then how can he be sure of anything?

I'm thinking the_stranger is messing around backstage here, spreading lies. Suspicious.

I think he is just trying to save his neck, which isn't too unlikely, but then we must look at Pevergreen's history. He is the next most likely to be Mafia judging from his posting history. I say kill them both. Perhaps one tonight? If they are protected we can assume they are mafia.

**Omanes Alexandrapolites** · 01-21-2007, 09:19

Vote: The Stranger
Select: Banquo's Ghost

The Stranger is behaving incredibly strangely. If he did create the Don account then he is just being un-helpful, the sort of townsperson who, I presume, that should be lynched - if anything to stop him from confusing us all. If somebody else created The Don account then they want him dead by framing him. Do they know something we don't know or are they mafia, trying to hide themselves behind The Stranger?

**ByzantineKnight** · 01-21-2007, 09:37

Select: Redleg
Vote: Abstain

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**doc_bean** · 01-21-2007, 10:34

At this rate this is going to be a long game

Select: Redleg

He seems like a rather safe bet for now.

Vote: The_Stranger

Confusion is bad for the town, I'm not sure what he is, but he doesn't seem to be very helpful.

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**Banquo's Ghost** · 01-21-2007, 11:12

It is rare that I am convinced enough to support the barbarism of a lynching, but in this case I think I must stand forth and rid our town of a menace.

The_Stranger is either a mafioso as he seems to be claiming, or he is a direct threat to the town from his unhelpful and confusing contributions. Either way, removing him from our town is the only way to protect innocent lives.

If he is innocent, he must explain everything he has done very clearly and tell us why. After all, if he is a townie, he will want to help the town even if this means his own death at the hands of the Mafia.

I support Redleg for the Director post, if only on grounds of taste.

Select: Redleg
Vote: The_Stranger

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**Warluster** · 01-21-2007, 11:18

I agree there Banquo, The_Starnger is confusing the mess, making it harder for us to find out who the mafia are, and if you are the Don,Stranger, then we are taking down an important figure, but thats if he is foolish enough to reveal that info? Even new players know not to reveal that, dont they?
I am not jumping on the bandwagon, i just agree with certian proof put forward, but if The_Stranger puts forward an good argument, I may change my mind, if he puts forward good proof, so

Vote:The_Stranger

As who to select for the police thing, i dont know so far.

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**Major Robert Dump** · 01-21-2007, 11:33

The way the Redleg hit was written leads me to believe that he was saved by a protection group, or perhaps one of the vigilante/wiseguy/made teams had a member not show up or something of the ilk. Or maybe not, what do I know.

The strangers death also had multiple badguys involved, not sure if that means anything.

Guess I crapped the bed on GH being the doc. Don't know how accurate autopsies are (is there a 10-20% chance of mistake like with live invests?) but if he was in fact the Luca it appears one of the families has lost its ability to kill (until it gets more mades) and protect its Don. There have not been enough turns or successful kills for any wiseguys to be promoted to mades

Select: abstain
Vote: The Stranger

I'm afraid I don't know how to do the spoilers, shame on meh:

Vote Tally:
Lynch:
Motep-2(Sasaki, CountArach)
pevergreen-2 (DoH, Pannonian)
Sasaki-1(pevergreen)
Abstain-1(BK,)
The_Stranger-5(OmanesAlexandrapolites,doc_bean, Banquo's Ghost,Warluster, MRD)

Director:
DoH-1 (DoH)
Motep-1 (Motep)
Redleg-6 (CountArach, pevergreen, pannonian,BK,doc_bean, Banquo's Ghost)
Banquo's Ghost-(OmanesAlexandrapolites)

**Moros** · 01-21-2007, 11:43

I guess there must be a lot of talking behind the scenes, but the problem is trust. I know how easy it can be for a thug to pretend to be a mafia in the chatroom for example (MAFIA III, tough I got killed after a revote.) I think that for now we must focus a little longer and more on this thread and make our own conclusions out of it.

And for now the persons who have been acting most suspicious are The_Stranger, Motep and pevergreen. In order from most suspicious to least suspicious. I give TS a chance for now. But if he doesn't get helping the town in a decent way or at least giving more reason to believe him I'll vote him. Motep sorry guy, but this game is complex. I probably have missed some other stuff, but for now you seem to be the best choice. Pevergreen, you too have acted somewhat suspicious, haven't you.

I hope I'm somewhat on the right track.
Vote: Motep

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edit: someone posted while I was posting.

**Major Robert Dump** · 01-21-2007, 11:58

Moros you didnt post your vote, u just added yourself to the tally

**Moros** · 01-21-2007, 12:06

Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump

Moros you didnt post your vote, u just added yourself to the tally

you're right sorry will edit post.

**The Stranger** · 01-21-2007, 12:07

Vote: Pevergreen
Select: Redleg

Vote Tally:
Lynch:
Motep-3(Sasaki, CountArach, Moros)
pevergreen-3 (DoH, Pannonian, The Stranger)
Sasaki-1(pevergreen)
Abstain-1(BK)
The_Stranger-5(OmanesAlexandrapolites,doc_bean, Banquo's Ghost,Warluster, MRD)

Director:
DoH-1 (DoH)
Motep-1 (Motep)
Redleg-7 (CountArach, The Stranger, pevergreen, pannonian,BK,doc_bean, Banquo's Ghost)
Banquo's Ghost-(OmanesAlexandrapolites)

**Moros** · 01-21-2007, 12:09

unvote: motep
vote: pevergreen.

Sorry pevergreen, just that I want to give TS one last chance.

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**Stig** · 01-21-2007, 12:11

Hmmmm I can tell you that GH's list wasn't fully correct, as I was no mafia, I was a wise guy. And only 1 person knew that, who didn't kill me.
But I think I know who killed me ... and it's good to see people are voting for him

**The Stranger** · 01-21-2007, 12:12

I work for a town victory. The riddle was no more than a hint to my new Account. I used that account to threathen people to give me info and get behind their real identity. It was supposed to catch mafia and see who would work with mafia. If sasaki hadnt said it had the same IP adress it could have been a small succes. Ive only worked with townspeople sofar and I have a some (alot) info I got from my network... Ive send Sasaki a PM explaining it all.

Ive voted pevergreen because he has been acting very suspicous. Already in the PM he was being arrogant, in his first posts he claimed bonds with mafia, on msn he claimed to be a don, he caught me because I didnt know what was in the roledescription... how would he know?

**Moros** · 01-21-2007, 12:17

have you saved the conversation or anything of the pm's or something? That'd make it easier.

**The Stranger** · 01-21-2007, 12:22

I can give you the PM's but i cant give you the msn convo... I was in the library, moving from PC to PC... and the stupid keyboards over their had no ability to copy and paste because they lacked a ctrl button (they were special keyboards)

But he almost certainly new i wasnt a don because he was already acting arrogant in the PM's, which meant he knew sumthing i didnt knew... about mafia perhaps?

**Moros** · 01-21-2007, 12:37

I wander how they ever are going to make a synopsis of this game... sigh.

**Orb** · 01-21-2007, 12:50

The uneccessarily daft process of setting up an account is very stranger-esque, unless you tell us what you are (include initial PM) and what you know, I'm assuming you're guilty.
Pevergreen and Motep both also seem suspicious, particularly if Pever knew what the Don PM was,

Vote: The_Stranger
Select: Banquo's Ghost

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**The Stranger** · 01-21-2007, 12:55

Private Message: CDTC: Your Role
01-16-2007, 22:52
Seamus Fermanagh
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: The USA's historic triangle.
Posts: 2,247 CDTC: Your Role

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Your Role: Townie

Your basic mode for success is to vote to lynch Mafiosi, eventually removing the mafia threat from Fatlington and creating a town win.

Role Changing:

At your discretion, however, this role can change. This will take time, effort, and coordination with other townies. If you:

Combine with 3 other townies you can attempt to kill one target per night (after two successful kills, you will become a “Wise Guy” and can progress from there).

Combine with 2 other townies you can attempt to protect one target per night (after two successful protections, one of you may become a “Doctor “ and can progress from there).

Creating these combinations is up to you however, and you will have to work out your own deals/contracts/arrangements for forming such a combo with the other players.

PM’s:

Each night you are still alive, PM me with instructions for your actions that night. These may be:

“Get some sleep” “Protect so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…” or “kill so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…”

Warning: if the requisite number of townies is NOT available, the protection/kill effort will almost certainly fail. If a townie attempts a kill/protection solo, the effort will certainly fail, and there will be at least one chance in three that the townie will perish in the attempt.

Investigations:

It is most probable that, if investigated by a Detective or by a Made Gangster, you will be discovered as “innocent.” Remember, however, that a significant minority (20%) of townspeople will register as “unclear” rather than innocent if investigated by a Made and as “criminal” (5-10%) if investigated by a detective. You will only register as “guilty” if you have participated in a killing.

Getting Recruited:

What if a Mafioso seeks to recruit you? You can respond as you wish to such an offer. However, if they believe you to be a Wise Guy and use you as part of a kill team, that team will very likely fail unless you are an “extra” and they already have sufficient killers on the team.
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Galliards and lute songs served in chilling ale.
Greetings, well-met fellow; hail!
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for me making a new account only takes like 10 minutes... switching from account to account is whats really annoying. Moros, i pm'd you the The_Don Pm's could you post them here...

**pevergreen** · 01-21-2007, 12:59

Im very arrogant. :nod:

Should i say who i am?

I tested TS to find out if he was a don. Test? The word of a parargraph. He posted Family as that word. I expected him to post family, because of the general desricption in the first post of this thread. It was that one.

I am a detective.
Pannonian:innocent
Thats from seamus.

I also inspected redleg. He is innocent. In conjunction with a townie protection group, i think hes a detective, or FBI detective.

All i ask for is one night, with someone investigating me. Then i can prove my innocence.

Unvote: Sasaki
Vote: The Stranger

To prove my innocence, it looks like it must be TS head.

Lynch me if you must, but you will lose a detective.

Ive been in a protection group, ive done investigating, and ive tried to infiltrate the mafia family behind Andres's messages.

If you give me time, I can get results.
But if you think lynching a detective will help the town, lynch me.
This is my last post for about 12 hours, as i will be sleeping.
Choose well, town, and i hope even through my death, if it must be, we prevail. Also to those who thought i was a simple townie, sorry for not saying i was a detective

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**Omanes Alexandrapolites** · 01-21-2007, 13:02

Since I can confirm that that is the towniee PM, for now, I will:
Unvote: The Stranger
Vote: Abstain

I still don't trust him, what is there saying that he didn't copy that off a real townsperson while he is mafia.

**Banquo's Ghost** · 01-21-2007, 13:02

Originally Posted by The Stranger

I can give you the PM's but i cant give you the msn convo... I was in the library, moving from PC to PC... and the stupid keyboards over their had no ability to copy and paste because they lacked a ctrl button (they were special keyboards)

How extraordinarily convenient.

Your defence is flimsy at best, The_Stranger. When asked for evidence, you present a series of excuses - this last one more unbelievable than reason can stand - and no coherent story.

Each dissembling post brings the shadow of the noose closer. Do you not realise you are on trial for your very life?

**Moros** · 01-21-2007, 13:04

This is what the Don aka Umeu send me:

Originally Posted by The_Don

Originally Posted by pevergreen

Originally Posted by The_Don

Originally Posted by pevergreen

Originally Posted by The_Don

Noble Pevergreen,

here are your orders. The claim The Stranger made (about he being the Don) was outrageous! We want him to pay. Make up a accusation and get the villagers to lynch him. Your reward shall be worth it.

Sincerely,
The_Don

I demand to speak to your made

You should do what he did, an untraceable email and talk to me. So much easier than through PM's. Use your made's if you must.

The Stranger will be lynched tomorrow if your family helps us.

Noble Pevergreen,

This account cannot be traced. The IP adress changes and the e-mail only leaves a trail of time.

I hope that The Stranger will be lynched tomorrow, or you will regret.

Sincerely,
The_Don

I will regret it? eek!

If the email can not be traced, register it on MSN so we can talk there.

Your don-li-ness

corrected vote tally (Omanes Alexandrapolites did not update):
Vote Tally:
Lynch:
Motep-2(Sasaki, CountArach)
pevergreen-4 (DoH, Pannonian, The Stranger, Moros)
Abstain-1(BK)
The_Stranger-6(doc_bean, Banquo's Ghost,Warluster, MRD, pevergreen, orb)

Director:
DoH-1 (DoH)
Motep-1 (Motep)
Redleg-7 (CountArach, The Stranger, pevergreen, pannonian,BK,doc_bean, Banquo's Ghost)
Banquo's Ghost-(OmanesAlexandrapolites)

**The Stranger** · 01-21-2007, 13:07

Well... Pevergreen what you are saying only confirms I'm no Don. I tried to find out what you were... I was working for the town while doing so... What kinda detective are you? A rogue detective... they can also work for Mafia.

**The Stranger** · 01-21-2007, 13:09

Vote Tally:
Lynch:
Motep-2(Sasaki, CountArach)
pevergreen-4 (DoH, Pannonian, The Stranger, Moros)
Abstain-1(BK, OmanesAlexandrapolites)
The_Stranger-6(doc_bean, Banquo's Ghost,Warluster, MRD, pevergreen, Orb)

Director:
DoH-1 (DoH)
Motep-1 (Motep)
Redleg-7 (CountArach, The Stranger, pevergreen, pannonian,BK,doc_bean, Banquo's Ghost)
Banquo's Ghost-(OmanesAlexandrapolites)

**The Stranger** · 01-21-2007, 13:11

I know, I'm innocent... It seems that I might have made a mistake with Pevergreen (though he's still suspicious) But what has Motep done?

**Moros** · 01-21-2007, 13:13

I can't follow anymote TS, this gettin even to wierd and chaotic to me.

**AggonyDuck** · 01-21-2007, 13:15

I'm going to believe pevergreen here, especially after those very incriminating PM's posted by Moros. But at the same time I've heard rumours that TS would actually be innocent. Here are my votes:

Select:Redleg
Vote: Abstain

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