Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[Ironside]

Hmm, swift changes here.

Let see now, the only realy damaging thing for the town would be if Beirut was an detective, that Krazelic somehow knewed about and is spreading desinformation about it. In that case, I recommend you Beirut to post your investigations before you'll get lynched, as the odds of that being true is much less than that you're a mafia. As Krazelic could've framed you because you were a member of a rival family ontop of the odds of it being a true accident.

Select: Redleg
Vote: Beirut

peevergreen is most likely either innocent or a Don (and GHC was his Luca, he does claim that GHC and him was quite close gamewise, until he learns that GHC:s identity is revealed), in either case he'll look innocent by the detective (unless investigated by a lucky fed). Keep him alive for now as a public detective, unless we get some new information. Better a known don, than a new one we doesn't know of and killing detectives does'nt lead to townie victories.

The_Stranger has done an awful defense of himself, the only good defense was the posting of the townie info with the upper part, showing either a copy- paste or an elaborate copy. Considering the rest of his defense I'm proned to belive the first case.
Certainly kept under supersticion though, (if nothing else, to make him learn how to not do to get innocent accused).

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Vote Tally:
Lynch:
Motep-2 (Sasaki, CountArach)
pevergreen-1 (DoH)
Abstain-6 (BK, OmanesAlexandrapolites, Caius, HughTower, Redleg, Lord Motep)
The_Stranger-6 (Orb, Banquo's Ghost, Warluster, MRD, pevergreen, BKS)
Beirut-10 (doc_bean,Moros, Cowhead418, Pannonian, AggonyDuck,The Stranger, Ituralde, Drisos, Dutch_guy, Ironside)


Director:
DoH-1 (DoH)
Redleg-12 (CountArach, The Stranger, pevergreen, Pannonian, BK, doc_bean, Banquo's Ghost, AggonyDuck, Ituralde, Cowhead418, Drisos, Ironside)
Banquo's Ghost-(OmanesAlexandrapolites)
Sasaki-1(Caius)
Abstain-3 (Hughtower, Dutch_guy, Redleg)
No-one - 1 (Motep)

[Orb]

Hmm, swift changes here.

Let see now, the only realy damaging thing for the town would be if Beirut was an detective, that Krazelic somehow knewed about and is spreading desinformation about it. In that case, I recommend you Beirut to post your investigations before you'll get lynched, as the odds of that being true is much less than that you're a mafia. As Krazelic could've framed you because you were a member of a rival family ontop of the odds of it being a true accident.

Select: Redleg
Vote: Beirut

peevergreen is most likely either innocent or a Don (and GHC was his Luca, he does claim that GHC and him was quite close gamewise, until he learns that GHC:s identity is revealed), in either case he'll look innocent by the detective (unless investigated by a lucky fed). Keep him alive for now as a public detective, unless we get some new information. Better a known don, than a new one we doesn't know of and killing detectives does'nt lead to townie victories.

The_Stranger has done an awful defense of himself, the only good defense was the posting of the townie info with the upper part, showing either a copy- paste or an elaborate copy. Considering the rest of his defense I'm proned to belive the first case.
Certainly kept under supersticion though, (if nothing else, to make him learn how to not do to get innocent accused).

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Vote Tally:
Lynch:
Motep-2 (Sasaki, CountArach)
pevergreen-1 (DoH)
Abstain-6 (BK, OmanesAlexandrapolites, Caius, HughTower, Redleg, Lord Motep)
The_Stranger-6 (Orb, Banquo's Ghost, Warluster, MRD, pevergreen, BKS)
Beirut-10 (doc_bean,Moros, Cowhead418, Pannonian, AggonyDuck,The Stranger, Ituralde, Drisos, Dutch_guy, Ironside)


Director:
DoH-1 (DoH)
Redleg-12 (CountArach, The Stranger, pevergreen, Pannonian, BK, doc_bean, Banquo's Ghost, AggonyDuck, Ituralde, Cowhead418, Drisos, Ironside)
Banquo's Ghost-(OmanesAlexandrapolites)
Sasaki-1(Caius)
Abstain-3 (Hughtower, Dutch_guy, Redleg)
No-one - 1 (Motep)

The townie PM has been posted earlier in the thread, it's not really a valid defence.

Masy, Seamus has asked us to keep posting votes in bold type as well as the list.

[The Stranger]

Masy, you only added to the Tally, you must also make the vote (with Bold).

You might not know, but I've only helped the town sofar...

[Louis VI the Fat]

Vote: Beirut

Select: Redleg

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Vote Tally:
Lynch:
Motep-2 (Sasaki, CountArach)
pevergreen-1 (DoH)
Abstain-6 (BK, OmanesAlexandrapolites, Caius, HughTower, Redleg, Tom_Hagen)
The_Stranger-7 (Orb, Banquo's Ghost, Warluster, MRD, pevergreen, BKS, Masy)
Beirut-13 (Sasaki Kojiro, Luigi Vi di Fatlington, doc_bean, Moros, Cowhead418, Pannonian, AggonyDuck,The Stranger, Ituralde, Drisos, Dutch_guy, Ironside, Motep)


Director:
DoH-1 (DoH)
Redleg-16 (Luigi VI di Fatlington, CountArach, The Stranger, pevergreen, Pannonian, BK, doc_bean, Banquo's Ghost, AggonyDuck, Ituralde, Cowhead418, Drisos, Ironside, Masy, Motep, Tom_Hagen)
Banquo's Ghost-1 (OmanesAlexandrapolites)
Sasaki-1 (Caius)
Abstain-3 (Hughtower, Dutch_guy, Redleg)

Let's just keep the 24-hour days. I was pressed for time last week too, but at least a 24h schedule is predictable.

[CountArach]

Unvote: Motep
Vote: Beirut

I have a feeling that Krazilec was just faking it, but well... there is only one way to know...

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Vote Tally:
Lynch:
Motep-1 (Sasaki)
pevergreen-1 (DoH)
Abstain-6 (BK, OmanesAlexandrapolites, Caius, HughTower, Redleg, Tom_Hagen)
The_Stranger-7 (Orb, Banquo's Ghost, Warluster, MRD, pevergreen, BKS, Masy)
Beirut-14 (Sasaki Kojiro, Luigi Vi di Fatlington, doc_bean, Moros, Cowhead418, Pannonian, AggonyDuck,The Stranger, Ituralde, Drisos, Dutch_guy, Ironside, Motep, CountArach)


Director:
DoH-1 (DoH)
Redleg-15 (CountArach, The Stranger, pevergreen, Pannonian, BK, doc_bean, Banquo's Ghost, AggonyDuck, Ituralde, Cowhead418, Drisos, Ironside, Masy, Motep, Tom_Hagen)
Banquo's Ghost-1 (OmanesAlexandrapolites)
Sasaki-1 (Caius)
Abstain-3 (Hughtower, Dutch_guy, Redleg)

EDIT: Bolded my votes...

[Lord Winter]

Saskii, whats the code for that bandwagon smilly of yours?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Saskii, whats the code for that bandwagon smilly of yours?

It's a imageshack link:

https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/...ndwagonqr2.gif




This looks like a bandwagon and maybe some people are, but mostly we are going off of info heard through the PM grapevine. Interesting thing about this game, no one has come under major suspicion for in thread activities. It's all been outside. Very untraditional in that way.

[Motep]

Looks like the Stanger has a large fanbase...

Vote: Beirut.... got nothin better to do., might as well hop on a wagon for now.


Select: Redleg...he needs protection

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Lynch:
Motep-2 (Sasaki, CountArach)
pevergreen-1 (DoH)
Abstain-6 (BK, OmanesAlexandrapolites, Caius, HughTower, Redleg, Lord Motep)
The_Stranger-6 (Orb, Banquo's Ghost, Warluster, MRD, pevergreen, BKS)
Beirut-11 (doc_bean,Moros, Cowhead418, Pannonian, AggonyDuck,The Stranger, Ituralde, Drisos, Dutch_guy, Ironside, Motep)


Director:
DoH-1 (DoH)
Redleg-12 (CountArach, The Stranger, pevergreen, Pannonian, BK, doc_bean, Banquo's Ghost, AggonyDuck, Ituralde, Cowhead418, Drisos, Ironside)
Banquo's Ghost-(OmanesAlexandrapolites)
Sasaki-1(Caius)
Abstain-3 (Hughtower, Dutch_guy, Redleg)
No-one - 1 (Motep)

[Masy]

Masy, you only added to the Tally, you must also make the vote (with Bold).

Oopsie, edited.

[Pannonian]

Latest vote tally.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Vote Tally:
Lynch:
Motep-2 (Sasaki, CountArach)
pevergreen-1 (DoH)
Abstain-6 (BK, OmanesAlexandrapolites, Caius, HughTower, Redleg, Tom_Hagen)
The_Stranger-7 (Orb, Banquo's Ghost, Warluster, MRD, pevergreen, BKS, Masy)
Beirut-11 (doc_bean, Moros, Cowhead418, Pannonian, AggonyDuck,The Stranger, Ituralde, Drisos, Dutch_guy, Ironside, Motep)


Director:
DoH-1 (DoH)
Redleg-15 (CountArach, The Stranger, pevergreen, Pannonian, BK, doc_bean, Banquo's Ghost, AggonyDuck, Ituralde, Cowhead418, Drisos, Ironside, Masy, Motep, Tom_Hagen)
Banquo's Ghost-1 (OmanesAlexandrapolites)
Sasaki-1 (Caius)
Abstain-3 (Hughtower, Dutch_guy, Redleg)

[Moros]

Thanks Pannonian.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Looks like beirut's going to buy it. When does voting end?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Oopsie, edited.

I detected no bold vote only the bolded selection.

[Moros]

Seamus, when is the day going to be over?
edit: lol.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Seamus, when is the day going to be over?
edit: lol.

I already asked that, Jeez!




Vote:Beirut

Three scum down, 6 to go. And maybe some wise guys. If they were really wise they'd join the town though.

[Masy]

I detected no bold vote only the bolded selection.

See it now?

[Moros]

I already asked that, Jeez!




Vote:Beirut

Three scum down, 6 to go. And maybe some wise guys. If they were really wise they'd join the town though.

Hey we posted at the same time, how could I know, and I even edited lmy post within the minute!

[Stig]

@Ituralde:
Who killed me, well if I would be a detective investigating my own death I would start with 2 persons. The Stranger and Pevergreen.

The Stranger:
He contacted somewhere last day about GH's list (not as The_Don but as himself). He would get me protected if I would drop that that list was correct. I didn't do that so he got me killed as I had no use anyway. Or it was a trick and he was planning to kill me anyway, as he was working with GH and that list was their hitlist.

Pevergreen:
GH really wanted him as Director, as he was a newbie, well I'm a newbie why not me? GH was a Luca, and some think Pever is a Don, well mostlikely GH's Don if he is one imo. Same here, GH's list was a hitlist. Redleg was on it too, and he was attacked, strange no?

Pevergreen and Stranger might actually be working together but I don't know anything about that.

[Redleg]

Now I have not seen any evidence of Beriut being anything else then a townie, going on the innocent until proven guilty. What is going on behind the PM and private discussions I don't have any information. Yes Kralizec two posts could be damning but I did not see the initial post before it was removed by Kralizec. The individuals who saw the post can drive the discussion around that, and a proper determination might be reached - or as noted above an investigation by a detective could determine the results. Frankly given the mistaken post by Kralizec, [b]Beirut[b]should be on the short list. Hince my abstain versus a vote on no lynch. Beirut's only defense is to point out that the game is one of misdirection. Which is valid, if not a complete answer to the questions posed by Kralizec's post. Does it warrent his lynching - I don't believe so, until futher information comes forward.

Now I attempted to arrange two protection groups last night on two seperate individuals. I am fairily sure that one was done, since I spent some time attempting to arrange it. Now in my efforts to arrange these protection groups did I stumble, and sent a message to someone that was playing both sides against the middle. Very possible, but I still don't have sufficcent proof to make any allegations against anyone that I PM for those missions. I suspect the hit was based upon the initial analysis of the message sent by Andres. At this stage I would like to take a look at all the PM's sent out by Andres to determine a pattern, but that is most likely an un-realistic expectation. But if I was a detective I would be investigation each name on that list, there is a valuable clue contained in that message that might lead us to one of the mafia members, or it could be just a red herring to strike confusion and wast the townie's time. Which at this stage of the game would indeed be a waste of the detective's time, which is why they should indeed wait until several more nights bring about other possiblities to cross-check. So to ignore the list would be incorrect, but it should not be used to determine innocence or guilt. Which means that my actions should be suspect until a determination by a detective or as demonstrated last night a successful murder on myself. Then my roll will actually be determined. Which is indeed a townie.

GH information is cloudly at best, and misdirection the most likely possiblity. I made a criticial mistake in sending GH the PM that describes my role as a townie, to demonstrated to him that my role is not a mafia one. This was before the posting that GH was indeed a Luca. Critical error - which is probably the most viable of the reasons why I was targeted last knight. One other individual has been given that PM, but I believe he is innocent of any attempt. Which places us back into the role of GH and his contacts. If I understand this game correctly the Luca knows who his Don is. Dead players can and do provide information that is useful to one side or another.

The short list of investigation should indeed be the list provided by GH which lists the possible mafia players.

Reenk Roink, Redleg, Beirut, Stig

Stig is deceased. That leaves three individuals to be investigated. If the detectives believe my claim of being a townie, or at minimul an individual determined for a townie, victory that leaves two to be investigated which is easily accomplished. Then the other names on GH post must be looked at also.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=317

I told the following people this role: Kagemusha and Pannonian. I believe Kage may have told some others such as Caius Flaminius. Kagemusha claims the role of wiseguy. Pannonian claims townie.

and

Kage approached me in the chat about forming a townie kill group. The four of us were myself, him, Caius, and Sigurd. Our first target was to be Sasaki, but Kage called it off for the first night to wait and see what would happen.

So in his role as Luca and his attempt at misdirection GH has provided another set of valuable clues.

[Ironside]

The townie PM has been posted earlier in the thread, it's not really a valid defence.

Masy, Seamus has asked us to keep posting votes in bold type as well as the list.

Yes, but this part is new:

Private Message: CDTC: Your Role
01-16-2007, 22:52
Seamus Fermanagh
Praefectus Fabricum
Senior Member


Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: The USA's historic triangle.
Posts: 2,247 CDTC: Your Role

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You'll get this if you copies a whole PM message. So to get this into the townie message you'll have to copy this part from another message. Not too difficult, but as I said, compare that with the rest of The_Stranger's defence.

[ByzantineKnight]

I don't think anyone is accusing you of being mafia, they are trying to lynch you because you are not helping the town with your confusion-spreading.

You'll get this if you copies a whole PM message. So to get this into the townie message you'll have to copy this part from another message. Not too difficult, but as I said, compare that with the rest of The_Stranger's defence.

Nevermind, sorry.

[Major Robert Dump]

I'd like to remind everyone that investigation results will vary based on what a person did that night vs previous nights.

[The Stranger]

Vote Tally:
Lynch:
Motep-1 (Sasaki)
pevergreen-1 (DoH)
Abstain-11 (BK, OmanesAlexandrapolites, Caius, HughTower, Redleg, Tom_Hagen, Sir Moody, Pindar,Kommodus, ATP, Pape)
The_Stranger -7 (Orb, Banquo's Ghost, , MRD, pevergreen, BKS, Masy, Byzantine Knight)
Beirut-16 (Sasaki Kojiro, Luigi Vi di Fatlington, doc_bean, Moros, Cowhead418, Pannonian, AggonyDuck,The Stranger, Ituralde, Drisos, Dutch_guy, Ironside, Motep, CountArach,Warluster, JimBob)


Director:
DoH-1 (DoH)
Redleg-19 (CountArach, The Stranger, pevergreen, Pannonian, BK, doc_bean, Banquo's Ghost, AggonyDuck, Ituralde, Cowhead418, Drisos, Ironside, Masy, Motep, Tom_Hagen, Pindar, Kommodus, Pape, JimBob)
Banquo's Ghost-1 (OmanesAlexandrapolites)
Sasaki-1 (Caius)
Abstain-4 (Hughtower, Dutch_guy, Redleg, ATP)

[ByzantineKnight]

BK in the list is me, unless you want to give me two votes...