Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I told you, he doesn't need to, I know who it is. But I cannot reveal because *insert person's name*'s Mafia family will kill me because I am not protected.

ByzantineKnight

I don't buy this. *insert person's name's* mafia family knows they pm'd andres and since you've said this then they know you know who they are and they would kill you anyway. Assuming they would kill you in the first place, which doesn't make sense in the first place since you can post after death and if you are alive you can still come under suspicion.

[ByzantineKnight]

I don't buy this. *insert person's name's* mafia family knows they pm'd andres and since you've said this then they know you know who they are and they would kill you anyway. Assuming they would kill you in the first place, which doesn't make sense in the first place since you can post after death and if you are alive you can still come under suspicion.

I didn't ask Andres. There is only one person it could be.

EDIT: And besides, Andres wouldn't tell a Mafia Family he ratted on them, would he?
That would be suicide

[The Stranger]

I'm at a loss...

When will the night phase close... It's day already...

[pevergreen]

So who am I investigating?

[ByzantineKnight]

So who am I investigating?

I think we said The_Stranger and AndresTheCunning, though they might want you to investigage me...

[Andres]

Why does nobody asks any questions about Sasakis continuous spree of accusations?

He's always there when he sees an opportunity to accuse someone, yet his role stays unrevealed.

His venom is poisoning this town.

Shouldn't he be the one to be investigated?

Even if I would be mafia, I am pretty harmless at the moment, since I just joined and nobody trusts me or wants to help me out. Sasaki had plenty of time to put up a conspiracy. The attack on him says nothing. If I understand the rules correctly, there are 3 families out there. Alot of mafia. Sasaki could have organized the "murder attempt" on him. If he's a Don, it should be easy for him to get protection.

C'mon guys, we're talking about an experienced master brain. One investigation on him. Results + the role description of the detective who claims to have done the investigation. Don't be fooled by this tricksy snake.

He wants you guys to do his job: killing me. He's pretty sure I'll have protection this night, because alot of players are curious and want my information. He probably already knows what I know, but wants me to talk in public, so a rival gang will kill me.

The guys is smart, you're underestimating him.

Investigate Sasaki. If you want me to be number 2 to be investigated then that's fine.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

*words*

The best defense is a good offense, eh?

[Andres]

The best defense is a good offense, eh?

You were quick to answer. Afraid of an investigation?

It's true what I said: at the moment, no matter what my role or what information I have: I can't do anything, no one trusts me, alone I am not dangerous.

Your accusation spree is at the least suspicious. You also have the reputation to be good at this sort of games.

Investigate Sasaki. We owe it to his excellent reputation. It would be insulting to the player Sasaki to not have investigated him at least once in this game.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I always accuse a lot of people. This is how the mafia are found out, from their posts in the thread for example. I'm pretty sure you are mafia at this point.

I don't mind being confirmed innocent.

[Pannonian]

So who am I investigating?

The_Stranger and Motep. We'll move on to Andres and co later.

[Pannonian]

You were quick to answer. Afraid of an investigation?

It's true what I said: at the moment, no matter what my role or what information I have: I can't do anything, no one trusts me, alone I am not dangerous.

Your accusation spree is at the least suspicious. You also have the reputation to be good at this sort of games.

Investigate Sasaki. We owe it to his excellent reputation. It would be insulting to the player Sasaki to not have investigated him at least once in this game.

A very familiar type of answer. I'm inclined to hang both you and BK together. However, I think you should be given at least a couple of rounds as a n00b to see what else you do, after which you can swing.

[Pannonian]

I told you, he doesn't need to, I know who it is. But I cannot reveal because *insert person's name*'s Mafia family will kill me because I am not protected.

ByzantineKnight

It shouldn't matter if you get murdered, as long as you reveal information that is helpful to the town. It's pretty much common knowledge that I'm a townie, and in past games a favourite target for the Mafia. Yet it is in my interest to pursue the Mafia how ever I can, since I share in a townie victory, whether or not I survive the game.

So spill.

[Andres]

Come on Andres. Of course you remember whom you send the PM's for. Besides, everybody knows that it was The Stranger and his group anyway.

I never said I didn't remember who sent me the PM's, I only said it wouldn't help by revealing his/her identity because he/she would immediately pop up and demand for proof. Proof I don't have anymore as I explained well enough before.

Besides, if "everybody" knows it's already, why don you want me to expose myself to danger? Or maybe you will create a bandwagon by saying I'm a liar and have me lynch.

You cannot know my role yet, statistically chances are bigger that I am at the town's side then the other way around. Lynch me, and you have more chance to have lynched a townie then a mobster. Does this serve your intrests luigi? Why do you want me death? So the town does your job?

Now I understand your need to not give away too much. I hope in turn you understand that this town is going to rid itself of mafia scum - and if you're not with us, you're against us...

Define "us"

Now people just reflect on this: chances are bigger that I'm townie then mafia. As i explained to you before, even if I would be mafia, I'm harmless at the moment.

You have an unknown factor in the game: Andres.

If you are townie, it's not a good move to kill me, because statistically the chance is bigger that I'm on you side then the other way around.

If you're mafia, you're part of 1 family. So there's a very big chance I'm not on your side: I can be townie or member from a rival gang. Thus you should get rid of me.

Those who started screaming for my death at the very moment my participation was made public, are to be considered suspicious.

In the current state of the game, I am not dangerous but more importantly, I'm an unknown factor. Right now, it would be a smart move for the mafia to have me death. They want you, the town, to do their dirty job.

Sasaki and Redleg were immediately there to scream for my skin, backed-up a bit later by Louis, allthough I was an unknown factor at that time. Make your calculations and you'll notice that the death of an unknown factor is most likely to be in the intrest of the mafia.

Reflect on this fellow townies. Use your brains.

[Pannonian]

Let me counter by reminding the town that Andres is not an unknown factor. We know that he sent those PMS, and therefore whom he sent them for. He is also refusing to tell us whom he sent them for. Even without taking anything else into consideration, that makes him an unhelpful townie at best, pro-Mafia at worst. Either way, he should be lynched. But I'd like the town to delay it until The_Stranger, Motep and pevergreen are dealt with.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Gentlemen, I have definitive proof that the Stranger is innocent - he has sent me several PMs which appear to place him in the clear. Please do not lynch him tomorrow.

[pevergreen]

Ok, im investigating The Stranger. Who else? Sasaki, Andres or Motep? or BK?

[Pannonian]

Ok, im investigating The Stranger. Who else? Sasaki, Andres or Motep? or BK?

Motep.

[Pannonian]

Gentlemen, I have definitive proof that the Stranger is innocent. Do not lynch him tomorrow.

Peer review please. Otherwise The_Stranger remains what we assume him to be, either a pro-Mafia or an unhelpful and counterproductive townie.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

He has told me not to tell anybody about this. All I can confirm is that he is a towniee and is working in the towns favour, or at least is now, please guys, trust me on that.

[ByzantineKnight]

It shouldn't matter if you get murdered, as long as you reveal information that is helpful to the town. It's pretty much common knowledge that I'm a townie, and in past games a favourite target for the Mafia. Yet it is in my interest to pursue the Mafia how ever I can, since I share in a townie victory, whether or not I survive the game.

So spill.

Ok, luigi VI di Fatlington!

He was the one who started the original investigation, supplied all the evidence for the lynch of Kralizac (e.g. Dutch or Flemish, writing style analysis), he also said just recently that Andres should reveal who sent the PM and said "come on, we know it was The_Stranger and his bunch".

I find this evidence suspicious and worthy of investigation.

ByzantineKnight

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Guys, if he is investigated he may not be innocent. He may have killed - his PMs indicate that to me. This conversation may be the most important:

To kill?

to do whatever is neccesary to secure a Town victory... but mainly and at first to protect important figures...

From a recent PM.

I am quite sure that he is working for a towniee victory. Please keep him alive!

[Moros]

Ts is working for town, that's what I believe and what he tells me. I must however admiot that his actions weren't always that toughtfull or even helpfull.

[Pannonian]

Pevergreen, post your results as soon as you get them, in case you are killed by the Mafia tonight.

[pevergreen]

I will.

Dont worry about that.

[Redleg]

Pevergreen, post your results as soon as you get them, in case you are killed by the Mafia tonight.

THis brings up an interesting question concerning the rules.

If the detective is killed while conducting an investigation - is the results of the investigation given to the detective or is it posted as part of the night phase write-up?

[Motep]

Go ahead and investigate me....youll only find that I am innocent. As I had said I am falingtons dentist (Im a townie okay!) There you have it. Trust me or not, its the truth.

[Louis VI the Fat]

....you'll only find that I am innocent. As I had said I am falingtons dentist.

And I'm Fatlingtons gynaecologist. I'm currently investigating all your wives.

I'll post the results to prove my innocence...

[Andres]

Combine this:

If anyone wants one of my working girls, feel free to PM me.

with this

And I'm Fatlingtons gynaecologist. I'm currently investigating all your wives.

Hmmm...

[pevergreen]

BKS is innocent. i think.

I said Hook me up in response to that, so?

[The Stranger]

Guys, if he is investigated he may not be innocent. He may have killed.

He is working for a towniee victory. Keep him alive!


From a recent PM.

i havent killed yet...