Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[doc_bean]

vote: ByzantineKnight

Reading the last few pages it seems like he's at least hiding something

[Redleg]

Lets not forget the vote tallies for our host. Being that he is old and cribbled he might need our help.

Lynching vote

luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
Alexander - 1 (Caius Flaminius)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)

[Moros]

Andres, I'd advise you to tell about the pm. You will probably get my vote if you don't by this evening.

The Stranger hasn't done to many bad things lately and I'd be interested in Pevergreen's and the_stranger's explainations. Weird thing, the mafia could have tried to kill a detective and they didn't? Do they know more about you?

Kommodos, you are verry inactive are you. That one time you were a mafia, you did the same thing. I know we discussed strategies. In a huge game like this this is more easy. Are you using you formula or vorting cheats. I remmeber last time you were angry on me when I told this when we were mafia. Sorry I had to pick you out but I just know more on how you play the mafia role than most others. And I want to check it out if you are mafia now I still can, I've been attacked after one round of me playing and this can happen again. Tell me kommodos, are you?

Glad to see that there weren't any easy frames on me like, Arrividerci or a mafia killing with a falx or something. I was expecting those.

[Caius]

When we vote director?

[Moros]

People let's think before we vote, this sort of voting doesn't help at all.
@Caius, after next night.

[The Stranger]

I got some very interesting news about Beirut...

seems like the Town is doing great.

[The Stranger]

Moros. Pevergreen was protected... Byzantine Knight "accidentally" said that so maybe the called of the kill at the last moment. Or maybe Pevergreen's a luca or even a Don... he ordered his luca to investigate me... and he could post the results.. claiming to be a detective that has done his job...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Note: FYI

Made Gangsters can conduct investigations, Lucas -- at least while a Don is alive -- may not.

[Caius]

I got some very interesting news about Beirut...

seems like the Town is doing great.

What?I want to know more.

[The Stranger]

Luca or a Made... both Mafia... well Made i meant than...

[Crazed Rabbit]

Vote: Andres

He could get a townie protection group at night, but right now he's just protecting the mafia.

Crazed Rabbit

[Kagemusha]

If a townie claims something he is not, like being detective in my mind he should be lynched.

Vote: Pevergreen

Lynching vote

Pevergreen -1 (Kagemusha)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
Alexander - 1 (Caius Flaminius)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)

[The Stranger]

Caius... Beirut was mafia... I think he was a Made.

But... the autopsy will reveal that tomorrow...

[The Stranger]

Pevergreen -1 (Kagemusha)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
Alexander - 1 (Caius Flaminius)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
AndresTheCunning - 1 (CrazedRabbit)

[Ituralde]

I wouldn't discount pevergreens role as quick as some are doing here. We all know what options the Mafia has when someone proclaims himself the detective. He will always have the problem that people won't beleive him. The only thing that confirms his role for most people is when he gets killed or attacked by the Mafia. So most of the time the Mafia tends to leave those people alone to draw more suspicion on them.
I still think that the best way to test pevergreens detectivness is to let him investigate certain individuals and then lynch them and find out if his findings match the investagion results posted by Seamus.

I though the consensus was to lynch The Stranger this round to see whether pevergreen is a real detective or not. The Stranger may well be helpful with his PMing and acting behind the scenes. His death should not prevent him from doing these things though.
Still, right now I'm waiting on pevergreens investigation results and I think we should go from there.

Also nice job everyone on lynching Krazilec. I thought it was a wild shot at best, but seems like we got ourselves a Don rigth off the bat!

[HughTower]

Andres owes the town some answers to questions posed, primarily who was the individual that he sent the messages for? Avoiding answering before the upcoming vote, could result in your lynching for lack of a better option.

Not really - it was the analysis of Andres' messages &, in particular the word 'maffia' that led to Krazilec's (correct) lynching. It was a mistake in posting by Krazilec that led to Beirut's lynching, which we'll find out the truth in time.

I suppose his reticence might still be considered suspicious, but in terms of investigative necessities, surely we can assume we've crippled one of the 3 families, & we need to try & focus on the other 2. They were certainly mighty active last night.

[The Stranger]

[QUOTE=Ituralde]I though the consensus was to lynch The Stranger this round to see whether pevergreen is a real detective or not. The Stranger may well be helpful with his PMing and acting behind the scenes. His death should not prevent him from doing these things though.
Still, right now I'm waiting on pevergreens investigation results and I think we should go from there.
QUOTE]

If that is what it takes, I will volunteer...

[Major Robert Dump]

When MRDs mom identified his headshot body in the morgue, she stripped off his pants in search of the Willie Nelson tatoo on his scrotum, just to make sure.

It was there.

On his right thigh were four homeade tatoos with locals names, the results of his investigations. MRD had a "memory problem" since the bad fall while sledding with the kids in the ice storm. Two of the names were the same, and the result was the same both times according to the tatoo. Two individual names with innocent by them, and one name twice with guilty by it each time. There was also a phone number written on the palm of his hand with the word "cleaner" beneath it.

"Will you need a return ticket?" asked the clerk at the bus station.

"Not likely," responded MRDs mum, as she shuffled the grandkids onto the bus. "Enjoy your director you sonsofbitches."

The clerk just nodded, too caught up with the line of people waiting to get out of town.

[Redleg]

Not really - it was the analysis of Andres' messages &, in particular the word 'maffia' that led to Krazilec's (correct) lynching. It was a mistake in posting by Krazilec that led to Beirut's lynching, which we'll find out the truth in time.

I suppose his reticence might still be considered suspicious, but in terms of investigative necessities, surely we can assume we've crippled one of the 3 families, & we need to try & focus on the other 2. They were certainly mighty active last night.

Fair point - however Andres was asked questions prior to the information coming out. In interest of following through Andres should be forthcoming with the information that was asked. Wether it is any use at this time remains to be seen.

However as noted in my first message, there are several issues that need to be resolved before the voting phase truely commences. I am frankly more interested in the discussions between The Stranger and luigi VI di Fatlington and the three way discussion between luigi VI di Fatlington, Pannonian and ByzantinePrince there is a clue available there I think. But I am not sure of what it is right now.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Hmm, I had forgotten about Pevergreen - and he seems awfully suspicious.

Remember, GH, luca for a Don, wanted pevergreen in the director spot. Had pevergreen got that position, he would be protected at night - freeing up his luca, GH, to do other dirty work. And he claims to be a detective - how conveinent.

Unvote: Andres
Vote: Pevergreen

Pevergreen -2 (Kagemusha, Crazed Rabbit)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
Alexander - 1 (Caius Flaminius)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)

Crazed Rabbit

[Kommodus]

Kommodos, you are verry inactive are you. That one time you were a mafia, you did the same thing. I know we discussed strategies. In a huge game like this this is more easy. Are you using you formula or vorting cheats. I remmeber last time you were angry on me when I told this when we were mafia. Sorry I had to pick you out but I just know more on how you play the mafia role than most others. And I want to check it out if you are mafia now I still can, I've been attacked after one round of me playing and this can happen again. Tell me kommodos, are you?

No GG, I'm a townie this time.

My analytical methods have undergone some evolutions since last time you were around. My current method is tricky to apply in a situation like this, in which there is a large number of players and a lot of mafiosi - especially since the mafia can recruit. But I haven't been as inactive as my post count would suggest. When I have something useful to say, I'll say it.

Not quite sure who to vote for yet... I have a suspect, but I'm not quite ready to cast the vote.

[The Stranger]

discussion with me and Luigi? Which one... he just wants me dead... no more discussion. Pannonian and BK also want me dead... whats more to say...

[Moros]

are you sure TS?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:AndresTheCunning

I'm thinking there's no way Seamus didn't send him his role pm right away.

AndresTheCunning - 1 (Sasaki Kojiro)
Pevergreen -2 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
Alexander - 1 (Caius Flaminius)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)

[The Stranger]

MRD explain your narrative... which 3 names? Who? Who was innocent? Who guilty?

[Moros]

No GG, I'm a townie this time.

My analytical methods have undergone some evolutions since last time you were around. My current method is tricky to apply in a situation like this, in which there is a large number of players and a lot of mafiosi - especially since the mafia can recruit. But I haven't been as inactive as my post count would suggest. When I have something useful to say, I'll say it.

Not quite sure who to vote for yet... I have a suspect, but I'm not quite ready to cast the vote.

So few posts yet, when attacked, one follows immediatly.
Who else did that in this thread?

I know your system has changed. I might not have played many gams for a long time since. That doesn't mean I am not up to date. I hope you are a townie. You weren't really convincing but well your not suspicious or anything. So don't think I'm going to vote you or something. I'll just keep an eye on you.

Vote: Andreke

AndresTheCunning - 2 (Sasaki Kojiro, Moros (for now...))
Pevergreen -2 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
Alexander - 1 (Caius Flaminius)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Vote:AndresTheCunning

I'm thinking there's no way Seamus didn't send him his role pm right away.

Actually, I PM'd him his role about 15-20 minutes after posting notice of his entrance to the game. He was added at the bottom of the list and I PM more or less in sequence from top to bottom so as not to get lost.

[Moros]

Actually, I PM'd him his role about 15-20 minutes after posting notice of his entrance to the game. He was added at the bottom of the list and I PM more or less in sequence from top to bottom so as not to get lost.

But his last claims of this were later.

[The Stranger]

Town Losses:
Ichigo (Townie)
Tribesman (Townie)

Mafia Losses:
General Hankerchief (Luca)
Kralizec (Don)
Stig (Made)
Beirut (Probably Made)

Unknown Losses
Major Robert Dump (probably Mafia, though maybe a detective)
AggonyDuck (probably Pro-Town)

[Moros]

Stig was a wiseguy, no?
Aggony is a town loss. That I am sure of.