Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[Stig]

Nope Stranger, I was a Wise Guy, if you don't believe me read this again:

“Stig too was a criminal. We’d had indications before this, but nothing conclusive. There was, however, nothing to connect him to one of the predatory gangs, so our current theory is that he wouldn’t play ball so he was taken for a ride – well, in his case a bad dinner.”

[The Stranger]

oh sorry... Oke wiseguy then... Which will put you in the Unknown Losses Catogary

[The Stranger]

I love the activity...

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Is that a reference to Se7en in the write-up, Seamus?

Good work bagging a Don, guys, even if I didn't have a part in it.

And thanks, Caius, maybe if you'd read through you'd have seen I've posted before.

Lynch: Abstain

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AndresTheCunning - 2 (Sasaki Kojiro, Moros)
Pevergreen - 2 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
Alexander - 1 (Caius Flaminius)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)

[AggonyDuck]

All are mortified by my death!

[Banquo's Ghost]

Tribesman had enemies – anyone who chatted politics with him would confirm that. They would tell you he knew all the tricks: puns, metaphor, dramatic irony even….sarcasm. Despite which he calmly and deliberately drank himself to death."

Should've nailed his head to a table.

Vote: Spiny Norman.

[The Stranger]

you vote who?

AndresTheCunning - 2 (Sasaki Kojiro, Moros)
Pevergreen - 2 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
Alexander - 1 (Caius Flaminius)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Abstain - 1 (ATPG)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Hm, interesting.

My list included a Godfather, a probable Mafioso, and a Wiseguy on it.

Kinda makes you think, doesn't it...

[CountArach]

Vote: Andres the Cunning.

Andres, if you show us the PM, then I will change my vote to someone else, or I will Abstain. Also I'm sure that someone will try to protect you.

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AndresTheCunning - 3 (Sasaki Kojiro, Moros, CountArach)
Pevergreen - 2 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
Alexander - 1 (Caius Flaminius)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Abstain - 1 (ATPG)

EDIT: Added List

[Moros]

please update the tally!

AndresTheCunning - 3 (Sasaki Kojiro, Moros, CountArach)
Pevergreen - 2 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
Alexander - 1 (Caius Flaminius)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Abstain - 1 (ATPG)

[The Stranger]

GH: Your list included a Made and a Wise Guy... No Don...

though... reenkroink has been pretty silent

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Apologies about my interruption of the flow of this (very) active thread, but what causes somebody to commit suicide? Thanks guys.

[The Stranger]

no time to play the game properly i think...

[Andres]

Andres, if you show us the PM, then I will change my vote to someone else, or I will Abstain. Also I'm sure that someone will try to protect you.

Guess I'll have to quote myself...

I deleted those pm's because I needed space in my PM box.

Look around and you'll notice the pm's were sent when I just started to recruit for the new PBM, the Gallic Confederation.

I pm'd alot in those days and had to delete what was not worth keeping. At the time, those pm's weren't important to me, since I was not participating in this game.

Anyway, I have decided to give you the name.

It was Kralizec.

I have to disappoint those who want evidence. Sorry for that. I only joined the game because I read the invitation in Seamus' write-up (the one about Kralizecs' lynching).

On the other hand I do have some intresting stuff in my pm box.

This is what I still have from that period:

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Do you enjoy being the messanger boy?

Sounds like a boring job, i hope you get workers compo.

Im gunna hang around, see what my post stirs up, then off to bed.

Do you enjoy being the messanger boy?

Sounds like a boring job, i hope you get workers compo.

Im gunna hang around, see what my post stirs up, then off to bed.

Well, being the messenger boy became funny once my name got mentioned in the game. Suddenly they all started to vote for me, while I don't even participate

All these speculations, well, let's just say it's pretty funny if you know the truth.

i still dont know who he is. But i have talked to him.

I really want to know who he is!

If you wouldnt mind telling your mafia friend asap.

I know 2 dons, 2 mades (plus him) and 2 lucas. All confirmed. And that he will find itmost if he votes as i am.

Unless he gives an explanation, I say:

Vote: pevergreen

EDIT: I'll need protection...
EDIT 2: Damn spoil tags

[The Stranger]

One don was Kralizec... so WHO IS HIM?

One Luca (General Hankerchief)

One Made (Beirut)

hmm Greenpever... pretty suspicious... where are the results you promised?

[Andres]

Vote tally

AndresTheCunning - 3 (Sasaki Kojiro, Moros, CountArach)
Pevergreen - 3 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit,AndresTheCunning)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
Alexander - 1 (Caius Flaminius)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Abstain - 1 (ATPG)

[The Stranger]

Oh btw... I don't believe it was Kralizec... why should you be afraid of a dead person. Also you lied about not getting your rolePM

[Louis VI the Fat]

However as noted in my first message, there are several issues that need to be resolved before the voting phase truely commences. I am frankly more interested in the discussions between The Stranger and luigi VI di Fatlington and the three way discussion between luigi VI di Fatlington, Pannonian and ByzantinePrince there is a clue available there I think.

There is a clue available there indeed. That clue is that Luigi VI di Fatlington is always right.

post #462: Luigi VI: ' Your mafia friend nonetheless is dead meat though.

I think I'm going to have myself a Dutch treat tonight, I'll bring a fine bottle of Bordeaux.

Vote: Kralizec'.
The next day, Kralizec turns out to be a don.

I also put some pressure on a wise guy here, Stig. He however was of the light side of the force and was striving towards a town victory.

post #738: Luigi VI 'Vote: Beirut'.
Y'all will have to wait 'till tomorrow to find out what his role was...

post #829
Luigi VI: 'Andres, you have been PM-ed your role ages ago. Hours before you said here you didn't have your role description yet.'
Seamus, the next day: I PM'd him his role about 15-20 minutes after posting notice of his entrance to the game.

Luigi VI, at The Stranger: 'You seem to be revelling a bit much in the dead of an innocent, clean wise guy (=Stig).
Seamus, the next day: Stig too was a criminal. We’d had indications before this, but nothing conclusive. There was, however, nothing to connect him to one of the predatory gangs,

I was criticizing The Stranger for plotting against Stig, because he failed to realise that Stig was a wise guy working for the town.
Now of course both the townies and the mafia know that The Stranger is a townie, so both leave him alive for that reason.
And I for one won't vote for him on the principle that one doesn't lynch townies. But either he made an error or something is brewing.
*keeps a firm eye on The Stranger and buddies*

Perhaps though, The Stranger doesn't realise the difference between a wise guy and a made / mafia?:

The Stranger:
Mafia Losses:
General Hankerchief (Luca)
Kralizec (Don)
Stig (Made)
Beirut (Probably Made)

As to the three way discussion between me, Pannonian and ByzantinePrince (Knight):
ByzantineKnight is (probably) town working with *** and ***.

Pannonian will do his own explanation after reading the following:
Why, Pannonian, are there at least two townies on this list: 'Andres should be lynched. But I'd like the town to delay it until The_Stranger, Motep and pevergreen are dealt with'. Why do you want them hanged so much?

[The Stranger]

Luigi... I said Made because that was what I read... or i made up out of the narrative... I know the difference i just thought the autopsy said Made...

I already apologized.

[Redleg]

There is a clue available there indeed. That clue is that Luigi VI di Fatlington is always right.

Yes indeed this might be the actual clue of the discussion.

I find it interesting that in a PM I am accused of being mafia because of MRD's post. Now there is no evidence that demonstrates I am other then what I am, a pro-townie townie.

Anyone care to conduct an investigation on me?


I particulerly like your comments toward The Stranger,

As to the three way discussion between me, Pannonian and ByzantinePrince (Knight):
ByzantineKnight is (probably) town working with *** and ***.

Pannonian will do his own explanation after reading the following:
Why, Pannonian, are there at least two townies on this list: 'Andres should be lynched. But I'd like the town to delay it until The_Stranger, Motep and pevergreen are dealt with'. Why do you want them hanged so much?

I to am wondering what his response will be.

Andres has gotten off my short list of candidates for investigation for now because while his actual role is unknow by me at the momment, he for the moment is not a threat in my opinion to the town.

[The Stranger]

Pevergreen can do a investigation... though I dont trust him...

[Pannonian]

Pannonian will do his own explanation after reading the following:
Why, Pannonian, are there at least two townies on this list: 'Andres should be lynched. But I'd like the town to delay it until The_Stranger, Motep and pevergreen are dealt with'. Why do you want them hanged so much?

Because pevergreen has claimed he is a detective, and The_Stranger and Motep have also been behaving erratically, starting with The_Stranger's riddle "I'm THE DON". The_Stranger meandered all over the place after I kept pressing him for a satisfactory explanation. As I said, he was either pro-Mafia or an unhelpful townie, based on his behaviour. Motep's behaviour is more classically Mafia, trying to start a bandwagon on Sasaki among others for little reason, and agreeing with me in a post that seemed to say much but contained little substance, in a manner reminiscent of Kommodus' backing of my accusation of Uesugi Kenshin in Mafia III. There were a number of things that made me suspicious of pevergreen, but he claimed to be detective.

Hence my proposal that pevergreen should investigate The_Stranger and Motep, and then we execute those two. By the night following the second execution, the autopsy for the first lynchee should be available, and we could compare the autopsy results with pevergreen's investigations, and decide whether pevergreen should follow.

Those were my initial thoughts. However, pevergreen is taking an awful long time to come back with his investigations, and I'm less sure of The_Stranger now than I was. However, Motep should still hang. His explanations of his role and behaviour are even less convincing than The_Stranger's.

And Andres? I'm sure he's guilty, or unhelpful to the point of being effectively guilty. He'll hang sooner or later. I'm just interested in seeing if pevergreen is as clean as some people claim.

[Moros]

pevergreen can't eb detective. He was in a group. Detectives can't do that!

[Andres]

And Andres? I'm sure he's guilty, or unhelpful

Did you even did the effort of reading post 944 in this thread? Or are you ignoring it on purpose?

*sigh*

Sure you can lynch TS, Motep and me, pretend you want to lynch pevergreen and meanwhile keep him alive for another turn or 2, 3, 4... allowing him to continue his killing spree for another turn or 2, 3, 4...

[Pannonian]

pevergreen can't eb detective. He was in a group. Detectives can't do that!

Detective:
a) You may investigate two persons per night phase. The investigation will list the individual as innocent (Townie, Don), criminal (Luca, Made not killing, Wise guy not having killed at all, and some townies), or guilty (Luca or Made on the night of kill, Wise guy or Townie who has killed – you either get the current kill or their whole track record as well). If a "guilty" person is discovered, there is some chance -- not a guarantee -- that the detective will also get information on previous kills and/or interesting data.
b) You will appear as “innocent” if investigated, unless and until your actions change your role.
c) Acts as a townie in most respects, but may not participate in a kill group. Other actions may cause role change.

Pevergreen claimed to investigate me and Redleg on the first night, and found us both innocent. He said he participated in a group on the second night. Can the other members of that group raise their hands?

[Orb]

pevergreen can't eb detective. He was in a group. Detectives can't do that!

I'm guessing most roles can double as townies.

Does anyone want to get a lurker list for us?

I'm too lazy

[The Stranger]

Moros... the rules says he cant kill in agroup... not that he cant protect with a group...

[Moros]

yeah, noticed that only know. Still noone confirmed that he was in this group. And it has been long since he first said that.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Notes:

Most, but not all, roles may double as Townies.

Andres receive his PM from me nearly 2 hours after I posted the Lynch summary -- not 20 minutes as earlier noted.

I found the Spiney Norman bit screamingly funny back in the late 30 years ago when I first heard it -- and still do. The Pirahna brother should run for President.

[Redleg]

yeah, noticed that only know. Still noone confirmed that he was in this group. And it has been long since he first said that.

I can confirm that I asked him to particapate in a protection group. I can confirm that he stated that he would, but I cannot confirm that he actually sent the message that confirms his particapation in the protection.