Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[pevergreen]

What can i say? I love Zoidberg!

Why have you signed a contract with the devil pever?

Im not aware of any devil-ish behaviour.

[Csargo]

What can i say? I love Zoidberg!


Im not aware of any devil-ish behaviour.

I don't know your avatar is looking pretty devilish to me.

[pevergreen]

Whats wrong with my Avatar?

Looks better than your Hippie Jesus.

[Csargo]

Whats wrong with my Avatar?

Looks better than your Hippie Jesus.

Don't insult my Avatar like you know him. You've sunk to a new low with that one.

I have recieved some information about your claims and you are guilty.

[pevergreen]

Why are you receiving infomation when you're dead?

You've sunk to a new low with that one.

How? you said what you though my avatar looked like, im saying what i think your avatar looks like.

[Csargo]

Why are you receiving infomation when you're dead?

Why not? Who says I can't investigate after I'm dead?

[ByzantineKnight]

Moros. Pevergreen was protected... Byzantine Knight "accidentally" said that so maybe the called of the kill at the last moment. Or maybe Pevergreen's a luca or even a Don... he ordered his luca to investigate me... and he could post the results.. claiming to be a detective that has done his job...

I accidentally posted that, I wanted to PM you but I forgot, anyway It would serve no purpose for me if I posted that.

Oh btw... I don't believe it was Kralizec... why should you be afraid of a dead person. Also you lied about not getting your rolePM

Because mabye Kralizec has surviving family members (unless the three Mafia killed to date are all from the same family)

I would like to offer my apology to luigi VI di Fatlington, for falsely accusing him, I was sure you sent it. Unless Andres is Lying...

Vote: Abstain
(I don't understand what's going on anymore)

pevergreen - 4 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit,AndresTheCunning, Sasaki)
AndresTheCunning - 5 ( Luigi VI di Fatlington, Moros, CountArach, BKS)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Abstain - 2 (Alexander, ByzantineKnight)
Sasaki - 2 (pevergreen, Pannonian)
Reenk Roink - 1 (Reenk Roink)
No Lynch - 1 (Caius)

EDIT: Added myself to the count

[CountArach]

That gives the Mafia a detective role PM so they can claim it later. Bad idea, to me at least.

No, I meant the most recent PM Seamus sent you regarding who you investigated. If you give us that, then there may be more people willing to believe you.

[Kommodus]

My original suspect didn't pan out, so for now,

Vote: Abstain

I'm going to echo CountArach's request for the investigation result PMs from pevergreen.

Also, question for Sasaki: you say you participated in townie groups. Were they all protection groups, or were some of them killing groups? According to the rules, a townie who has participated in a successful killing will show up as "criminal" in detective investigations.

[Lord Winter]

Things are a little chaotic now with finals still have two pages to go
vote abstain

[Xiahou]

It's truly dizzying to keep up with this thread. However, I think pevergreen is looking very much like he's got himself a pro-mafia role.

vote: pevergreen

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

pevergreen - 5 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit,AndresTheCunning, Sasaki, Xiahou)
AndresTheCunning - 5 ( Luigi VI di Fatlington, Moros, CountArach, BKS)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Abstain - 4 (Alexander, ByzantineKnight, Destroyer of Hope, Kommodus)
Sasaki - 2 (pevergreen, Pannonian)
Reenk Roink - 1 (Reenk Roink)
No Lynch - 1 (Caius)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

My original suspect didn't pan out, so for now,

Vote: Abstain

I'm going to echo CountArach's request for the investigation result PMs from pevergreen.

Also, question for Sasaki: you say you participated in townie groups. Were they all protection groups, or were some of them killing groups? According to the rules, a townie who has participated in a successful killing will show up as "criminal" in detective investigations.

No killing groups.

[pevergreen]

Results from Night 3 Investigations:

Sasaki Kojiro shows as Criminal
The Stranger shows as Innocent

There.

[Lord Winter]

I don't buy it peevergreen. Why all this reluctance to show the pm in the first place? Surly it would be a simple matter to cut and past? Would not the only reason for your hesitation be that you did not have the pm's?

Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Pevergreen

pevergreen - 6 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit,AndresTheCunning, Sasaki, Xiahou, Destroyer of Hope)
AndresTheCunning - 5 ( Luigi VI di Fatlington, Moros, CountArach, BKS)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Abstain - 3 (Alexander, ByzantineKnight, Kommodus)
Sasaki - 2 (pevergreen, Pannonian)
Reenk Roink - 1 (Reenk Roink)
No Lynch - 1 (Caius)

[Csargo]

There.

How did you investigate two people?

[Papewaio]

Vote: pevergreen

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

pevergreen - 7 ((Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit,AndresTheCunning, Sasaki, Xiahou, Destroyer of Hope, Papewaio)
AndresTheCunning - 5 ( Luigi VI di Fatlington, Moros, CountArach, BKS)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Abstain - 3 (Alexander, ByzantineKnight, Kommodus)
Sasaki - 2 (pevergreen, Pannonian)
Reenk Roink - 1 (Reenk Roink)
No Lynch - 1 (Caius)

[ByzantineKnight]

How did you investigate two people?

Can't Detectives Investigate two people?

EDIT: Papewaio you have the list wrong

pevergreen - 7 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit,AndresTheCunning, Sasaki, Xiahou, Papewaio, Destroyer of Hope)
AndresTheCunning - 4 ( Luigi VI di Fatlington, Moros, CountArach, BKS)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Abstain - 3 (Alexander, ByzantineKnight, Kommodus)
Sasaki - 2 (pevergreen, Pannonian)
Reenk Roink - 1 (Reenk Roink)
No Lynch - 1 (Caius)

[Warluster]

You can investigate two people a night ( Cant you? )
I feel reluctant to believe that so-called 'PM' you put up Pevergreen, if it was a real PM, then wouldn't it have Seamus's full title? And why would you just 'Throw' out the info?

[Csargo]

Can't Detectives Investigate two people?

EDIT: Papewaio you have the list wrong

pevergreen - 7 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit,AndresTheCunning, Sasaki, Xiahou, Papewaio, Destroyer of Hope)
AndresTheCunning - 5 ( Luigi VI di Fatlington, Moros, CountArach, BKS)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Abstain - 4 (Alexander, ByzantineKnight, Destroyer of Hope, Kommodus)
Sasaki - 2 (pevergreen, Pannonian)
Reenk Roink - 1 (Reenk Roink)
No Lynch - 1 (Caius)

Ah yes forgot about that.

[Redleg]

Lets call this message The Patsy Lashes Out

Going back to the post that initially analysis the message from Andres we have a list of names that could be complete or not complete based upon how many people were on this list.

Beirut -lynched
Byzantine Knight
Cowhead
Doc Bean
Hepcat
Hughtower
Ichigo - suicide
Ignoramus
Kommandus
Kralizec – lynched turns out to be a Don
Pevergreen
Proletariat
Redleg
Reenk Roink
Sasaki Kojiro
Sir Moody
The Stranger
Ultrawar
Zalmoxis
Banquo's Ghost
Sigurd Fafnesbane
General Handkerchief – murdered


Then we take General Handkerchief’s claim about who was suppose to be mafia. Given that we know now that he was a Luca.

Reenk Roink
Redleg
Beirut waiting on results of final autopsy
Stig – murdered but informed was a criminal not mafia


Edit:
So given the nature of this information and the status of General Handerchief maybe we should ignore his claims. The release of the autosphy after the next night phase will shed light on General Handerchief's claim. For now we know that he was wrong on one.

General Hankerchief has played us all for Patsy's with this claim.

Then from Stig’s Post

Dutch Guy
Krazilec
Doc Bean
Moras
The Stranger
Stig - not on list.

Also in General Handkercheif post he also provides other names and a few claims.

Kagemusha - is claimed to be a wiseguy
Pannonian - is claimed to have known GH was a doctor
Caius Flaminius - might have been told by Kagemusha
Sigurd Fafnesbane - claimed by GH to be a townie kill group

Now lets take some other information pieces that have been posted in the thread.:


There was a misstep – by one individual in his post that he attempted to correct, but its not a very good one.

Seamus would'nt add him to one family, it would be unfair to the others, mabye if there was three.

If he was added to my family I would know about it.

I think this is wrong

beirut-mafia
kralizec-mafia

Kralizec might be mafia, but beirut is probably not. I think it was a frame up.

EDIT: By family I mean if i was part of a mafia family (as opposed to a townie family)

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=836

Was this a mistake in explaining a position, or was it stumble, revealing a role, and then an attempt to hide that stumble.

Then there was this little exchange between three individuals

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=873

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=874

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=875

I wonder if The Stranger, ByzantineKnight, or Caius Flaminius would care to enlighten what was edited out of the posts so quickly?

Now there are a few other's that might have played me for a Patsy but I will address them later. I hate to see a bandwagon begin to roll without this little exchange being explained in just a tad more detail.

And then I just love the two accusations PM to me about being mafia that was sent to me. I wonder what [b]MRD's[b] autosphy is going to show? Based upon that autosphy I just might have a candidate for a lynching - either myself, or someone that is attempting to misdirect and mislead. Only time will tell.

[ByzantineKnight]

I wonder if The Stranger, ByzantineKnight, or Caius Flaminius would care to enlighten what was edited out of the posts so quickly?

Stig could tell you as well, Someone asked what we should do to keep him alive. I accidentally mentioned (in the thread) that there was a protection group for pevergreen.

EDIT: And about my misclarification:

Was this a mistake in explaining a position, or was it stumble, revealing a role, and then an attempt to hide that stumble.

I was born in Ohio and at around 6 months later I we moved to Canada where we lived for a few years. At 6 years old we moved to the Phillipines and lived there for 6 months. When I was around 7 we moved to India, we have been living here (on and off) for 8 years, I think some of you will agree, I might not have had a very easy time adjusting to moving so often (every 6 months we have to leave the country for a day or so). I also think that growing up in so many different cultures might have had an adverse affect on my social skills (to say nothing of my spelling), sometimes I respond in the way people would in India and offend people, sometimes it is the opposite.
But my point is that I do not communicate in the same way as some of you and react differentaly.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

I have my suspicions, but for now I change my vote:
Unvote: luigi VI di Fatlington
Vote: Abstain

For now I don't know who to vote for. I fear pevergreen being mafia, but I need more evidence before I wish him to be lynched.

[The Stranger]

I vote Pevergreen for now. Why? First he said I was Criminal and later in the PM I'm shown as Innocent. Also... that's not how a detective PM seamus sends you looks like.

Originally Posted by Seamus
Results from Night 3 Investigations:

Sasaki Kojiro shows as Criminal
The Stranger shows as Innocent

Vote: Pevergreen

Also, I'd like to call Doc_Bean to the stand, PLEASE, what is your role? Are you a townie?

To redleg, BK posted that Pevergreen had protection. CAius quoted and said he was stupid. I tolde them to edit their posts. Maybe Pever wasnt attacked because mafia saw that, or maybe he's a Made. which i believe now.

pevergreen - 8 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit,AndresTheCunning, Sasaki, Xiahou, Papewaio, Destroyer of Hope)
AndresTheCunning - 4 ( Luigi VI di Fatlington, Moros, CountArach, BKS)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Abstain - 4 (Alexander, ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Omanes Alexandrapolites)
Sasaki - 2 (pevergreen, Pannonian)
Reenk Roink - 1 (Reenk Roink)
No Lynch - 1 (Caius)

[Pindar]

I don't buy it peevergreen. Why all this reluctance to show the pm in the first place? Surly it would be a simple matter to cut and past? Would not the only reason for your hesitation be that you did not have the pm's?

I'm convinced.

Vote: Pevergreen

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

pevergreen - 9 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit,AndresTheCunning, Sasaki, Xiahou, Papewaio, Destroyer of Hope, Stranger, Pindar)
AndresTheCunning - 5 ( Luigi VI di Fatlington, Moros, CountArach, BKS)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Abstain - 4 (Alexander, ByzantineKnight, Destroyer of Hope, Kommodus)
Sasaki - 2 (pevergreen, Pannonian)
Reenk Roink - 1 (Reenk Roink)
No Lynch - 1 (Caius)

[The Stranger]

pevergreen - 9 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit,AndresTheCunning, Sasaki, Xiahou, Papewaio, Destroyer of Hope, Stranger, Pindar)
AndresTheCunning - 4 ( Luigi VI di Fatlington, Moros, CountArach, BKS)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Abstain - 4 (Alexander, ByzantineKnight, Destroyer of Hope, Kommodus)
Sasaki - 2 (pevergreen, Pannonian)
Reenk Roink - 1 (Reenk Roink)
No Lynch - 1 (Caius)

[CountArach]

Also... that's not how a detective PM seamus sends you looks like.

So how do you know what a detective PM looks? Would you care to show us exactly?

[ByzantineKnight]

Also... that's not how a detective PM seamus sends you looks like.

I am almost sure now that he(pevergreen) is mafia, just one clairification, how do you know what a detective PM looks like??

[CountArach]

I am almost sure now that he(pevergreen) is mafia, just one clairification, how do you know what a detective PM looks like??

I'm starting to lean towards the idea that they are both Mafia, or that one is, but the other is a Wise Guy or townie working with the mafia.

[The Stranger]

because I got shown one true an intracable email... I told you that Beirut was a made! How do you think I know...

[The Stranger]

If your saying I'm a townie working for the mafia you havent been more wrong in your entire life.

I'm shown innocent in his investigations remember... Ive proven I'm pro-town enough by now... I'll show you the beirut mail... nothing more...