Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[Pannonian]

MRD is not a first time player...

What's he played before? I've only been in Mafia III and V, and I don't remember him.

[The Stranger]

Oh well... whatever you want... But I still don't understand why Prole has to go...

Why don't you go alone then?...

[HughTower]

If I make this offer and she publicly accepts it and carries out her end of it, but I do not, my word will be worthless from then on and I might as well be dead for the purposes of this game.

You're thinking of survival as the point of this game. It's not. The aim is to ensure your group wins, whether or not you personally survive. Survival means you still have an active stake in the game, and can vote. But survival for survival's sake is not the point, if you harm your side's cause in the process. If you remain alive but no-one will believe you any more, you can no longer direct your cause and you might as well be dead. In that vein, in games iwth 1 detective and 2 mafia, it is considered a worthwhile gambit for the detective to reveal as soon as he gets the identity of one mafioso, even though this guarantees his murder the following round, as that action favours the town more than holding on to the information and risking being murdered before getting the chance to find the other mafioso. In the same vein Reenk sacrificed himself in Mafia V to ease the passage for Seamus, although that worked a bit too well and backfired.

I can't coordinate the action with Prole because there are no provisions for it in the game. We send in our orders, and we read about the results the following morning. Therefore we'll have to do so separately. As the more active player, I have more to lose by fulfilling my part of the bargain but being left by the other, so I invite her to do so first and I'll follow.

Let's not get sidetracked. Prole has nothing to do with this accusation, other than beginning with 'P'. That confusion is pure speculation on my part.

If you are town, you have to kill yourself.

[Pannonian]

It's a nice offer, but suspiciously impractical. Prole has been very inactive in this game so far (4 days since last post). There is no good reason why you have to do it together - if you're innocent, suicide yourself now, & be done with it, so the town can move on.

It wasn't me who came up with that explanation of mistaken identity. You suggested pevergreen, who's going to die anyway, while I recall Prole from earlier in this game.

If what you say is true, then, of course, MRD realised his error, changed his tune & called GH a doctor - anyone would. In his first message, it is categoric - he's not roleplaying, he's addressing you as his Don, & naming GH as Luca. Full stop (or "period", for our chums over the pond).

If it is MRD's mistake initially, it is your mistake in making that reveal (or not understanding fully what it meant), & therefore drastic action is needed by yourself.

Erm, if GH is my Luca, why did he accuse me of fishing for information? My reveal was to show that MRD was most likely a wise guy, as Redleg was wondering what he was. I quoted my subsequent conversation with GH so Redleg could have some more information with which to shed light on GH's reveal.

[Pannonian]

Let's not get sidetracked. Prole has nothing to do with this accusation, other than beginning with 'P'. That confusion is pure speculation on my part.

If you are town, you have to kill yourself.

Wanna go together? I'm willing.

[The Stranger]

Is this fase about to end? Because... It's getting a bit boring now...

[The Stranger]

Wanna go together? I'm willing.

I dont like what you're trying to do. You're prolly a wiseguy, working with mafia. And you're trying to take with you as much Townies as possible into your grave.

Why do 2 players have to go? As you said, you have no more use. Your words not mine, but do not try to take away townies who do have purpose.

[pevergreen]

Yeah, hurry up and lynch me. Theres no way i can convince 13 odd people.

Sad way to lose a detective.

On the plus side, im trying to put some of my own material into my death.

My Final Speech.

Should be fun! I might get to wear a cloak! Like Medivh in Warcraft. Or the Emperor in Star Wars.

Happy Town Win..in the unlikely case you do win.

Just for fun:
ToS
FoS
HoS
All at Pannonian.

[Cowhead418]

I Vote: Pevergreen because of his mistake on revealing Stranger's investigation result, GH's support for him earlier, and his changing stories. If you are actually a detective (though a bad one), we will find out later and be able to make sense of your results.

[Pannonian]

I dont like what you're trying to do. You're prolly a wiseguy, working with mafia. And you're trying to take with you as much Townies as possible into your grave.

Why do 2 players have to go? As you said, you have no more use. Your words not mine, but do not try to take away townies who do have purpose.

Well, I don't expect anyone to coopt me into any more protection groups from now on, so I'm just going to sleep during the night until either Sasaki or Kommodus is dead. Those two are Mafia heavyweight whom others are wary of tangling with, giving them perfect cover as Mafia if they were (see Kommodus in Mafia III, or Reenk and Seamus' comments in Mafia V). I don't have any proof they are Mafia, but for this reason alone I am wary of them. Sasaki, while keeping up his post count, has been less savage than usual. I've assumed this is because he's running his own game, and this will change once that ends.

If either of those two go, I will willingly follow the next round. Even if you ignore GH's distrust of me, my willingness to die should be proof enough that I'm not Mafia, given that there are far more pro-townies who can actively thwart the Mafia than pro-Mafia. But if that's not enough, any of my fellow bigmouths can take me up on my offer and let our autopsies speak for themselves. Preferably Sasaki or Kommodus, but any active player will do, excepting The_Stranger, Motep and pevergreen.

[Sigurd]

*WTF!!!!!

How am I going to get ajour with what is going on in this game?? There is just too much spam ... and ... and
DAMN!!! Over a 1000 posts and I have no clue if I am dead, which round this is etc...
I guess this game is for the REALLY dedicated.

I hope you keep the score here Seamus because I am going to shamelessly vote with THE bandwagon.

Vote: pevergreeen




*World Taboo-word Foundation

[pevergreen]

What bandwagon, ive got nearly half the entire games votes.
Theres no way i can convince my way out of this, the only thing to do is die stylishly.

@Redleg, choose a really cool way for me to die.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Hey, if some people unvote Pevergreen and change to Andres, so we get a tied vote, then Redleg can hang two baddies simultanously!


pevergreen - 13 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit,AndresTheCunning, Sasaki, Xiahou, Papewaio, Orb, Moros, Destroyer of Hope, Stranger, Pindar, Ironside, HughTower)
AndresTheCunning - 4 ( Luigi VI di Fatlington,Warluster,CountArach, BKS)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Abstain - 5 (Alexander, ByzantineKnight, Destroyer of Hope, Kommodus, Ituralde)
Sasaki - 1 (Pannonian)
Reenk Roink - 1 (Reenk Roink)
No Lynch - 1 (Caius)
Pannonian - 1 (pevergreen)



I do not think it is wise for anybody to make any rash decisions about Pannonian. That includes you, Pannonian. Let us not get carried away here. If you are innocent, then it's silly to commit suicide just to prove your point. If you're scum, you'll bereft the town the pleasure of hanging you ourselves.

[Proletariat]

I haven't been posting much thanks to real life, but your idea Pannonian is too silly for me to take seriously. I won't be killing myself because our user names both begin with a capitol P, sorry. Investigate me or lynch me, you can off yourself.

Also, anyone else get an interesting PM from Andres last night? A few rounds ago he PMed me to vote for Kralizec and I'd get an 'in' with his family. I was jumping on the bandwagon against Kral anyway, so I wrote back saying I wouldn't be a part of it unless I knew a more about his family or what his goals were. Yesterday he writes back saying basically 'vote for pevergreen, or I'll quote your response in the game thread.'

I thought that was a pretty poor attempt at blackmail, but it's interesting that Andres wanted Kral dead badly, and now has it in for pevergreen. pevergreen looks plenty guilty to me anyhow, don't really see the need for Andres to go around garnering votes.

Anyhow, the last few pages I just had to skim because of time, wanted to try and get a word in before the round's over. Will come back to this by lunch or this evening, hopefully

Vote: No vote

[pevergreen]

Hmm Luigi has a point.

Look at it this way:

1. You can get rid of me
2. You can get rid of Andres (if you want to)

Hey 2 in one turn isnt bad.

Good Night all

[The Stranger]

Andres had no family at that time... hje wasn in the game... Who are you talking about.

[The Stranger]

First I want confirmation that 2 ppl at the same time can be lynched.

[Proletariat]

It was when he was PMing half the players in the game, supposedly on the behalf of some family.

[The Stranger]

Hmm well... Instead of posting no vote, vote Andres then... I like the 2 in 1 turn lynch idea

[Proletariat]

I don't think a tie really helps us, it's meant in everygame I've played that we go to another round of voting solely between the two vote leaders. If that's the way it works in Seamus' game, we might as well just kill Andres next round instead.

[Andres]

Hmm well... Instead of posting no vote, vote Andres then... I like the 2 in 1 turn lynch idea

You want me dead so badly...

Were you hoping I deleted this one too:

Vertel me nou wie die PM heeft gestuurd en welke rol je hebt. Het maakt niet uit of je mafia of townie bent.

Als je dat doe zorg ik ervoor dat je de lynchronde overleeft en daarna zal ik je beschermen.

I'll translate:

Please tell me who send you the PM and what role you have. It doesn't matter if you're mafia or townie. If you do, I'll make sure you survive the lynching, afterwards I'll protect you.

Afterwards = after day time...

Instead of keeping the information private and sending it only to you, I decided to make it public.

Tied vote on 3 = 3 hangings? Why not 10 hangings? Or 11, 12, 13...

You see, I came in new on this game. PM'ing seemed a good way to get information. As an unknown factor, I hoped to get even more curiosity then a newcomer would usually get. See what I've learned...

Tsss, tsss, tsss...

[The Stranger]

You're really picking on the wron one :P... Youre not important.

@Proletariat: Next turn we'll eat a better meal than skinny Andres.

[Caius]

You're really picking on the wron one :P... Youre not important.

@Proletariat: Next turn we'll eat a better meal than skinny Andres.

Why are you obsesed with killing?

[HughTower]

@ Pannionian, so let me get this right, on top of the evidence against you, you want either Prole, myself, Sasaki, Kommodus, or any active player (apart from TS, Motep, & pevergreen) to commit suicide with you to prove your innocence.

What? Why? It's a like a Japanese death cult... Madness, sheer madness!

A serious & founded accusation has been levelled against you - the route to innocence lies in your death. For the rest of us who just trying to do 'our jobs' & against whom there lies no evidence, it's a waste of a lynch vote or a protection group member.

Kill yourself / don't kill yourself - obviously up to you - & luigi has a good argument about the futility of sacrificial suicide - but you suggested it, not I, but only in conjunction with another innocent. It is an offer on which you are unlikely to have your bluff called, which is why you made it, & which is why you're guilty as sin.

[ByzantineKnight]

Unvote: Abstain
Vote: The Stranger

I don't hold for bloodthirsty players, this is a game trying to kill them!

[The Stranger]

I'm bloodthirsty against Mafia. I wont harm townies.

[ByzantineKnight]

I'm bloodthirsty against Mafia. I wont harm townies.

You have almost no evidence against them, you just like lynching.

[The Stranger]

No evidence...? You got to be kidding me... We'll see, after this lynchround and this night I'll give you so much evidence you won't know who to vote for.

I'll say this. Beirut: Made, MRD: Made.

[Caius]

No evidence...? You got to be kidding me... We'll see, after this lynchround and this night I'll give you so much evidence you won't know who to vote for.

I'll say this. Beirut: Made, MRD: Made.

Why you dont shop up and help the town?

[The Stranger]

What do you think I'm doing. I'm providing info so Mafia can be lynched and killed... In return I'll earn the nickname. The "Bloodthirsty" Stranger