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Are you on a witch hunt? You accuse anyone who moves or posts...
EDIT: 400th post!!
Balloons for all!!
EDIT: 400th post!!
Balloons for all!! I know everyone feels that every post of their's is vital to the thread, but can we work on the signal to noise ratio a little here? When you're not on the internet all day at work, it can be hard to catch up :\
2 more phases. 2 more phases.
the day should be about over by now, no?
Originally Posted by HughTower:
@ Pannionian, so let me get this right, on top of the evidence against you, you want either Prole, myself, Sasaki, Kommodus, or any active player (apart from TS, Motep, & pevergreen) to commit suicide with you to prove your innocence.
What? Why? It's a like a Japanese death cult... Madness, sheer madness!
A serious & founded accusation has been levelled against you - the route to innocence lies in your death. For the rest of us who just trying to do 'our jobs' & against whom there lies no evidence, it's a waste of a lynch vote or a protection group member.
Kill yourself / don't kill yourself - obviously up to you - & luigi has a good argument about the futility of sacrificial suicide - but you suggested it, not I, but only in conjunction with another innocent. It is an offer on which you are unlikely to have your bluff called, which is why you made it, & which is why you're guilty as sin.
You've left no possible way in which I can prove my innocence, and urge me to kill myself to shut me up.@ Pannionian, so let me get this right, on top of the evidence against you, you want either Prole, myself, Sasaki, Kommodus, or any active player (apart from TS, Motep, & pevergreen) to commit suicide with you to prove your innocence.
What? Why? It's a like a Japanese death cult... Madness, sheer madness!
A serious & founded accusation has been levelled against you - the route to innocence lies in your death. For the rest of us who just trying to do 'our jobs' & against whom there lies no evidence, it's a waste of a lynch vote or a protection group member.
Kill yourself / don't kill yourself - obviously up to you - & luigi has a good argument about the futility of sacrificial suicide - but you suggested it, not I, but only in conjunction with another innocent. It is an offer on which you are unlikely to have your bluff called, which is why you made it, & which is why you're guilty as sin.
1. I've carefully picked through the PMs to give as full a picture as possible, not even leaving out or change bits that might seem incriminating. I was aware this would place me under suspicion, but my stated MO throughout this game is to urge suspects to give as full an account of themselves as possible and let the town decide, and that I did. What more do you expect me to do? I volunteered the information in the hope of helping answer Redleg's questions about MRD and GH.
2. If I'm Mafia, then I will show up as criminal or guilty under investigation, unless I'm a Don. However, if I'm a Don, I've offered to off myself in exchange for someone else. Looking at the economics of it, it would not make sense for a Don to sacrifice himself so easily, as the role is so powerful (effectively unfindable by detectives), and the loss would mean a drastic reduction in the chances of the gang winning, especially if the dead GH is my Luca as you say I've tried to make this as much of a win-win situation for the town as possible, given the rules of the game, by explaining my rationale and widening the circle of people whom I'll accept into the bargain. In normal Mafia games a detective for a mafioso is considered a good exchange. Here, I'm not even specifying that a detective should die, but I'm agreeing to let anyone take me up on the offer. Yet you think this is disingenuous.
3. If you read the exchanges, you'll see that GH doesn't trust me at all, and accuses me of fishing for roles. Hardly indicative of me being the Don and GH beng my Luca.
4. I specified Kommodus and Sasaki because their MO doesn't require staying alive to work towards town victory. If they are Mafia, their reputation ensures that no-one dares challenge them for fear of being savaged. If they are townies, Kommodus' formula will continue to work even after death, while a dead Sasaki doesn't slow down as Reenk and Seamus found to their cost in Mafia V. The only caveat might be if they have active pro-town roles, which was why I asked Sasaki to reveal at the start of this round.
5. Examine my activioty in this game and see if it's consistently pro-town or consistent as a whole. If you wish, talk to others to see if their experience of me matches what you can see in the thread.
To sum up, you've left no way for me to prove my innocence. If a detective investigates me and finds me innocent, it means I'm a Don who will show up as innocent. If I'm a Don, I've made an 1 for 1 offer that any detective worth his salt would jump at (ask Crazed Rabbit in Mafia III), yet you think this is disadvantageous for the town. And you name GH as my Luca, even though the PMs show that he distrusted me and misled me. I'm going to push for Andres next round followed by Motep, but bandwagon me if you wish, as there is no way of persuading you otherwise.
I believe that GH wasnt your luca, on the other hand I also believe HughTowers idea that MRD mistaked you for Pevergreen.
Stop blablaing and Kill yourself or shut up, it will save me a headache...
Stop blablaing and Kill yourself or shut up, it will save me a headache...
Remember folks, Strangers location says:
Originally Posted by :
I'm not saying you have to vote for me, I'm demanding, VOTE OR DIE!!!
I'm not saying you have to vote for me, I'm demanding, VOTE OR DIE!!!
Originally Posted by Kralizec:
Remember folks, Strangers location says:
I'm saying you have to vote for me, I'm not demanding, VOTE OR DIE!!!Remember folks, Strangers location says:
Isnt that the location of TS?
Originally Posted by The Stranger:
I believe that GH wasnt your luca, on the other hand I also believe HughTowers idea that MRD mistaked you for Pevergreen.
Stop blablaing and Kill yourself or shut up, it will save me a headache...
Click on my profile and put me on ignore.I believe that GH wasnt your luca, on the other hand I also believe HughTowers idea that MRD mistaked you for Pevergreen.
Stop blablaing and Kill yourself or shut up, it will save me a headache...
that was for the HoF actually :P... I noticed that before... but i wont bothr removing it.
1. Yes you did. However, it is an absolute truth that MRD thought you were his Don when he wrote that first email, there is no other interpretation. You could have been trying to mislead the town & posted that first PM accidentally - certainly the others are not incriminating at all. Whether you made a mistake (and are the Don) or whether MRD did (& thought you were the Don) is the key question.
2. Why does there have to be a bargain? The evidence is there for a lynching, which will take place in 2 cycles time, therefore your role will be known in 4-5 cycles time. If you want your credibility back quickly so the town lwill isten to you & you can help, commit suicide now. Wanting to take a person with you reeks of desperation & vindictiveness.
3. The first email is the key here. The following PMs can be seen either, as the fakes you wanted to post (in your guilt), or, as MRD covered up his mistake & GH covered up with him, and you failed to see what he had admitted (in your innocence). It also explains GH's doctor story when he was killed.
4. I understand that rationale, but I still refer you my answer for 2.
5. With so many opposing entities, it is hard to ascertain what pro-town exactly means. Town & Mafia A might join up unwittingly against Mafia B etc.
Actually, in my initial accusation, I suggested 4 possible explanations, whittled it down to 2, & asked for input from others as to what they thought of you & MRD. Your suicide was suggested by you as a way of proving your innocence. This dead-end is of your own making, & the more you ask for a "bargain", the more it seems like guilt.
2. Why does there have to be a bargain? The evidence is there for a lynching, which will take place in 2 cycles time, therefore your role will be known in 4-5 cycles time. If you want your credibility back quickly so the town lwill isten to you & you can help, commit suicide now. Wanting to take a person with you reeks of desperation & vindictiveness.
3. The first email is the key here. The following PMs can be seen either, as the fakes you wanted to post (in your guilt), or, as MRD covered up his mistake & GH covered up with him, and you failed to see what he had admitted (in your innocence). It also explains GH's doctor story when he was killed.
4. I understand that rationale, but I still refer you my answer for 2.
5. With so many opposing entities, it is hard to ascertain what pro-town exactly means. Town & Mafia A might join up unwittingly against Mafia B etc.
Actually, in my initial accusation, I suggested 4 possible explanations, whittled it down to 2, & asked for input from others as to what they thought of you & MRD. Your suicide was suggested by you as a way of proving your innocence. This dead-end is of your own making, & the more you ask for a "bargain", the more it seems like guilt.
Ok, what's with this "you must suicide to prove your innocence thing". Hugh, I really think your on the wrong track here. The pm was quite obviously intended for a Don, if Pannonian was a don he wouldn't have posted it. From the way GH put forward pevergreen for director I'm guessing he's the don of that family. No townie should suicide to prove their innocence, it wifom for one thing (since MRD and GH are dead if Pannonian was the don he would be powerless and have no reason not to suicide), and it hurts the town and is against the spirit of the game.
I believe the stranger and pannonian are innocent. I need some new suspects.
I believe the stranger and pannonian are innocent. I need some new suspects.
oh, oh me, me, pick me! You saw me eating a spicy meat-a-ball pie. Pick me!
Sasaki, Please make your self suspicous.
I already said from the start that Pevergreen was a Don, I also said Kralizec was a Don, I was right then...
Above post... That was a joke ^ but i forget to add
Above post... That was a joke ^ but i forget to add
Originally Posted by The Stranger:
Sasaki, Please make your self suspicous.
Sasaki, Please make your self suspicous.
IGMEO Sigurd. Historically when he's mafia he lurks.
eheheh, well... There are quite alot lurkers... lets lynch them all.
The Stranger, Verse 2, Line 10
He who doth not posth, Talketh with the devil and shall be vanquished.
The Stranger, Verse 2, Line 10
He who doth not posth, Talketh with the devil and shall be vanquished.
I'm wondering where Don is as well.
where is not the question, who is the question. Yet where is the awser?
He was talking bout DonCorleone :P not A Don ingame.
FYI/Reminder:
If a tie occurs in the lynch voting, the decision of who -- if anyone -- is to be lynched is solely at the discretion of the Director.
In a 3-way tie, for example, the Director could lynch 0, 1, 2, or all 3 of those having received tie votes. The Director can make this decision on any basis she/he feels and only the Gamemaster could alter it...and I am not likely to do so.
If a tie occurs in the lynch voting, the decision of who -- if anyone -- is to be lynched is solely at the discretion of the Director.
In a 3-way tie, for example, the Director could lynch 0, 1, 2, or all 3 of those having received tie votes. The Director can make this decision on any basis she/he feels and only the Gamemaster could alter it...and I am not likely to do so.
:O... oh well... is this phase almost over?
Originally Posted by The Stranger:
:O... oh well... is this phase almost over?
1400 EST today, so less than 55 minutes to go. Things seem mostly decided, so I've written up stuff in advance and it should cycle quickly. We'll be in night four from 1400 today to 1400 tomorrow.:O... oh well... is this phase almost over?
Sasaki, how is it that you always have the highest post count in any mafia game. It never seems as though you're posting a lot at any one time...
I have noticed much spam from you.
@Seamus: it works out to about 3 posts per page. Not that much.
@Seamus: it works out to about 3 posts per page. Not that much.
bah, I was going to go and delete the rash of off topic posts we've had but it's too much work. Try not to post just for postings sake though.
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro:
Ok, what's with this "you must suicide to prove your innocence thing". Hugh, I really think your on the wrong track here. The pm was quite obviously intended for a Don, if Pannonian was a don he wouldn't have posted it. From the way GH put forward pevergreen for director I'm guessing he's the don of that family. No townie should suicide to prove their innocence, it wifom for one thing (since MRD and GH are dead if Pannonian was the don he would be powerless and have no reason not to suicide), and it hurts the town and is against the spirit of the game.
I believe the stranger and pannonian are innocent. I need some new suspects.
He's continually suggested a double suicide to prove his innocence, not me. He's suggesting it on the knowledge that no-one will call his bluff - an empty promise. I'm saying if he wants to suicide to prove his innocence, then go ahead, it's odd to expect someone to join you, as a 'bargain'.Ok, what's with this "you must suicide to prove your innocence thing". Hugh, I really think your on the wrong track here. The pm was quite obviously intended for a Don, if Pannonian was a don he wouldn't have posted it. From the way GH put forward pevergreen for director I'm guessing he's the don of that family. No townie should suicide to prove their innocence, it wifom for one thing (since MRD and GH are dead if Pannonian was the don he would be powerless and have no reason not to suicide), and it hurts the town and is against the spirit of the game.
I believe the stranger and pannonian are innocent. I need some new suspects.
He won't be powerless as a lone Don - he can recruit & act as a Made.
Pevergreen might well be the Don of that family. It's one of the reasons why we're lynching him.
Either Pannionian made a mistake in posting it up, or MRD sent it to the wrong guy. Why Pannionian didn't mention or spot that he was being approached as a Don much earlier is a question worth asking. I am & shall continue to ask it.
I think MRD made the Mistake but Pannonian is most definitly suspicious.
GH is prolly Pevergreen's luca... and MRD is a made... but of which family?
GH is prolly Pevergreen's luca... and MRD is a made... but of which family?
And as flames climbed high into the night
To light the sacrificial rite,
I saw Satan laughing with delight
The day the music died.
-- Don McClean, 1971
Sunset, Day Four:
After a few hours of pale sunlight early that morning, the gray skies had returned. Though no rain fell for a change, the faint fog off the Atlantic and thick clouds made for a dark day. As the voting session began around 6 that evening, it had faded to full dark.
Redleg addressed the assembled committee.
“As you all know, I served with the 160th field artillery during the war. I went through 4 amphibious assaults and a snot-load of fighting near Metz. I am NOT inclined to let mafia scum take over this town. I have therefore decided to employ a tried-and-true artillery solution to traitors in our own ranks. We’ll do what the Brits did in the Sepoy rebellion and strap our traitors to the muzzle of a field gun for a little send-off.”
Redleg’s expression was one of determination, not exultation.
“I’ve had one of the old “Saucy-Cans” guns on display in front of the Guard armory unplugged and quickly reconditioned. It’s deployed on the boardwalk outside this convention center. The tube’s shot out, but then again accuracy won’t be too much of a worry. Let’s get voting.”
Lots of discussion and more than a few sharp exchanges of words accompanied the voting. Pannonian was aggressively calling for people to prove their loyalty to the town while others snapped at the relative newcomer in their midst. At length, with all votes cast, Redleg silently tallied them in the front of the room – witnessed by Fermanagh’s guards – and then announced the result.
“By a margin of votes, this committee declares pevergreen to be guilty of treason against the citizens of Fatlington and hereby sentences you to immediate execution. Guards…”
“So be it,” snarled pevergreen as he stood to his feet. While standing he flicked up his hood and dropped the hem of his garments and what had appeared to be a bulky winter’s coat was revealed to be a full hooded, holocaust cloak. His face and hands were completely hidden. Clearly pevergreen had prepared for his name to be chosen. The guards paused, but then moved forward quickly to pinion his arms and march him downstairs to the boardwalk and the waiting field gun.
The entire committee trooped down after the prisoner and arrayed themselves behind the weapon. As pevergreen was brought forward, he broke free of the guards grasp – they’d become complacent with his quiet compliance – grabbed the extended lanyard of the gun and raced to a place barely 18” from the muzzle of the gun. The crowd paused; pevergreen’s “escape” had lasted no more than 10 feet, he was surrounded on all sides, and the muzzle end of a loaded field piece was not the healthiest place to go when chasing someone – especially when they could fire the gun. Pevergreen stared at the stony-faced committee and spoke:
"You killed my Luca,
you killed my Made,
and now, you seek to lynch me…
But one still remains.
Who is it you think,
Who have we missed,
We killed every Corleone…”
pevergreen’s voice grew harsher, more ominous.
“But One still remains.”
He pulled sharply on the lanyard and the field gun blasted with a harsh, barking crack. At a range of less than 18 inches, the canister round had no time for any significant dispersal, but a five-inch diameter hole was cored through pevergreen’s solar plexus so quickly that his body didn’t even move backward much. The muzzle blast instantly ignited the holocaust cloak and for a brief moment the committee stared at the figure of pevergreen, wreathed in flames from the knees up, sneering at them from the recesses of his cloak. Then pevergreen fell, leaving the committee to stare at the crumpled figure on the boardwalk as the flames slowly guttered themselves out. Night had come again.
OOC
The Butcher’s Bill to Date:
Attacked: Proletariat (N1), Sasaki Kojiro (N1), Redleg (N2), Moros (N3), theRTWGuru (N3)
Lynched: Kralizec (D2) [mafia don], Beirut (D3), pevergreen (D4)
Murdered: GeneralHankerchief (N1) [mafia luca], Stig (N2) [wise guy], AggonyDuck (N3), Major Robert Dump (N3)
Suicided: Ichigo, (D2) [townie], Tribesman (D2) [townie]
WoGged: Nobody, and please keep it that way.
Lynching Vote Tally:
pevergreen = 13 (Cowhead418, Destroyer of Hope, HughTower, Ironside, Kagemusha, Orb, Papewaio, Pindar, Moros, Sasaki Kojiro, Sigurd Fafnesbane, The Stranger, Xiahou)
Abstain = 4 (Ituralde, JimBob, Kommodus, Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot)
AndrestheCunning = 3 (Big King Sanctaphrax, Luigi VI di Fatlington, Warluster)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Pannonian = 1 (pevergreen)
Reenk Roink = 1 (Reenk Roink)
Sasaki Kojiro = 1 (Pannonian)
The Stranger = 1 (ByzantineKnight)
No Lynch = 1 (Caius Flaminius)
No Vote = 23 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Banquo’s Ghost, Copperhaired Berzerker, CountArach, Crazed Rabbit, Drisos, Dutch-Guy, Hepcat, Ignoramus, MarcusBrutus, Masy, Lord Motep of Kendermore, Peasant Phil, Proletariat, Redleg [director], Sir Boo, Sir Moody, theRTWGuru, Tom_Hagen, Ultrawar, Xdeathfire, Zalmoxis, AndrestheCuning)
Night 4 Begins. PM's from all and sundry please, due no later than 1400 EST 1/25/7. There are a few of you who may get wogged soon if I don't at least get a PM showing you still care. Good luck all.
To light the sacrificial rite,
I saw Satan laughing with delight
The day the music died.
-- Don McClean, 1971
Sunset, Day Four:
After a few hours of pale sunlight early that morning, the gray skies had returned. Though no rain fell for a change, the faint fog off the Atlantic and thick clouds made for a dark day. As the voting session began around 6 that evening, it had faded to full dark.
Redleg addressed the assembled committee.
“As you all know, I served with the 160th field artillery during the war. I went through 4 amphibious assaults and a snot-load of fighting near Metz. I am NOT inclined to let mafia scum take over this town. I have therefore decided to employ a tried-and-true artillery solution to traitors in our own ranks. We’ll do what the Brits did in the Sepoy rebellion and strap our traitors to the muzzle of a field gun for a little send-off.”
Redleg’s expression was one of determination, not exultation.
“I’ve had one of the old “Saucy-Cans” guns on display in front of the Guard armory unplugged and quickly reconditioned. It’s deployed on the boardwalk outside this convention center. The tube’s shot out, but then again accuracy won’t be too much of a worry. Let’s get voting.”
Lots of discussion and more than a few sharp exchanges of words accompanied the voting. Pannonian was aggressively calling for people to prove their loyalty to the town while others snapped at the relative newcomer in their midst. At length, with all votes cast, Redleg silently tallied them in the front of the room – witnessed by Fermanagh’s guards – and then announced the result.
“By a margin of votes, this committee declares pevergreen to be guilty of treason against the citizens of Fatlington and hereby sentences you to immediate execution. Guards…”
“So be it,” snarled pevergreen as he stood to his feet. While standing he flicked up his hood and dropped the hem of his garments and what had appeared to be a bulky winter’s coat was revealed to be a full hooded, holocaust cloak. His face and hands were completely hidden. Clearly pevergreen had prepared for his name to be chosen. The guards paused, but then moved forward quickly to pinion his arms and march him downstairs to the boardwalk and the waiting field gun.
The entire committee trooped down after the prisoner and arrayed themselves behind the weapon. As pevergreen was brought forward, he broke free of the guards grasp – they’d become complacent with his quiet compliance – grabbed the extended lanyard of the gun and raced to a place barely 18” from the muzzle of the gun. The crowd paused; pevergreen’s “escape” had lasted no more than 10 feet, he was surrounded on all sides, and the muzzle end of a loaded field piece was not the healthiest place to go when chasing someone – especially when they could fire the gun. Pevergreen stared at the stony-faced committee and spoke:
"You killed my Luca,
you killed my Made,
and now, you seek to lynch me…
But one still remains.
Who is it you think,
Who have we missed,
We killed every Corleone…”
pevergreen’s voice grew harsher, more ominous.
“But One still remains.”
He pulled sharply on the lanyard and the field gun blasted with a harsh, barking crack. At a range of less than 18 inches, the canister round had no time for any significant dispersal, but a five-inch diameter hole was cored through pevergreen’s solar plexus so quickly that his body didn’t even move backward much. The muzzle blast instantly ignited the holocaust cloak and for a brief moment the committee stared at the figure of pevergreen, wreathed in flames from the knees up, sneering at them from the recesses of his cloak. Then pevergreen fell, leaving the committee to stare at the crumpled figure on the boardwalk as the flames slowly guttered themselves out. Night had come again.
OOC
The Butcher’s Bill to Date:
Attacked: Proletariat (N1), Sasaki Kojiro (N1), Redleg (N2), Moros (N3), theRTWGuru (N3)
Lynched: Kralizec (D2) [mafia don], Beirut (D3), pevergreen (D4)
Murdered: GeneralHankerchief (N1) [mafia luca], Stig (N2) [wise guy], AggonyDuck (N3), Major Robert Dump (N3)
Suicided: Ichigo, (D2) [townie], Tribesman (D2) [townie]
WoGged: Nobody, and please keep it that way.
Lynching Vote Tally:
pevergreen = 13 (Cowhead418, Destroyer of Hope, HughTower, Ironside, Kagemusha, Orb, Papewaio, Pindar, Moros, Sasaki Kojiro, Sigurd Fafnesbane, The Stranger, Xiahou)
Abstain = 4 (Ituralde, JimBob, Kommodus, Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot)
AndrestheCunning = 3 (Big King Sanctaphrax, Luigi VI di Fatlington, Warluster)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Pannonian = 1 (pevergreen)
Reenk Roink = 1 (Reenk Roink)
Sasaki Kojiro = 1 (Pannonian)
The Stranger = 1 (ByzantineKnight)
No Lynch = 1 (Caius Flaminius)
No Vote = 23 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Banquo’s Ghost, Copperhaired Berzerker, CountArach, Crazed Rabbit, Drisos, Dutch-Guy, Hepcat, Ignoramus, MarcusBrutus, Masy, Lord Motep of Kendermore, Peasant Phil, Proletariat, Redleg [director], Sir Boo, Sir Moody, theRTWGuru, Tom_Hagen, Ultrawar, Xdeathfire, Zalmoxis, AndrestheCuning)
Night 4 Begins. PM's from all and sundry please, due no later than 1400 EST 1/25/7. There are a few of you who may get wogged soon if I don't at least get a PM showing you still care. Good luck all.
Ladies and Gentlemen We wiped out one Mafia family, Congratz! I suggest you copy and past this and paste it in a textfile, it makes reading it easier.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Oh and I got this tru email... I dont know who send me this but...
here it goes. Pevergreen watch and learn, this is how Investigationresults PM from Seamus looks like...
Investiation Report:
Beirut: Criminal, Made.
here it goes. Pevergreen watch and learn, this is how Investigationresults PM from Seamus looks like...
Investiation Report:
Beirut: Criminal, Made.
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