Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[The Stranger]

@Kagemusha, I was screaming Pevergreens name right from the beginning... I named him Don for starters... It was old news...

[Kralizec]

Kralizec was the don of Beirut's family. We lynched him due to his little mix up.

I thought that PM = Public Message

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I thought that PM = Public Message

PM means private message.

[Moros]

PM means private message.

[Pannonian]

So what now's gonna happen. Anyone information or clues on someon being mafia. We might have been succesfull in the past but I'm having the feeling we're running low on suspects and clues...

Read page 21, starting with post #616, and compare with post #622. Classic meatballing, and erratic behaviour of a kind some of us will have seen before. FWIW, post #631 was where I started picking on the trio of The_Stranger, Motep and pevergreen, and although I've changed my mind about The_Stranger, I still think Motep should be lynched. Do it after Andres if you want, but don't let him go. Search the Gameroom for his posts for more clues in his behaviour.

Don't bother with the truly inactive. WoG will take care of them. It might be worth chasing up those with a few but not many posts, or ask Seamus what he's going to do with them. Bear in mind though, Sasaki's hosting Graffiti Mafia, which will take up some of the participants' time. Let that finish before drawing any conclusions about lurkers.

Finally, continue to drive the townie machine and don't let anyone think of joining the Mafia. The town has been remarkably successful in rooting out the Mafia so far, so don't let the Mafia replenish their numbers.

[Kagemusha]

@Kagemusha, I was screaming Pevergreens name right from the beginning... I named him Don for starters... It was old news...

Yep.But then i dont have inside information like you supposedly do.

[Kralizec]

PM means private message.

Well, you learn something new everyday

[Moros]

Well you need to start networking if you want information...

EDIT: @krazilec rare jongens die anglo-saxen.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Very interesting post by andres. Don't have time to go through it carefully right now but some points.

He accuses redleg of killing GH. Good job Redleg?

He brings up BK's edited post, I fail to see the significance.

From the wording of prole's pm, it looks like she was fishing for information more than trying to help.

This all seems very weak, and quite suspicious of Andres.

[Moros]

indeed Andres got some explaining to do.

[The Stranger]

Yep.But then i dont have inside information like you supposedly do.

well... my account "The_Don" paid off... didnt it :P

[Moros]

but it wasn't for much or you were dead.

[Andres]

This all seems very weak, and quite suspicious of Andres.

Whatever

indeed Andres got some explaining to do.

I think I explained it all in my post (which I will copy paste, so spamming accusations without foundation to make my post "disappear" won't help...

If I ask for an elaboration it's suspicious. If I elaborate and give information it's suspicious. If I don't elaborate it's suspicious. If I don't give information it's suspicious. If I eat, it's suspicious. If I fart, it's supsicious. If I drink, it's suspicious...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Whatever

If I ask for an elaboration it's suspicious. If I elaborate and give information it's suspicious. If I don't elaborate it's suspicious. If I don't give information it's suspicious. If I eat, it's suspicious. If I fart, it's supsicious. If I drink, it's suspicious...

You are still one of the prime suspects for many people. A long post raising suspicions about 6 other people seems like an attempt to divert suspicion elsewhere; which means you don't feel you can be saved by just defending yourself, which means you know you're guilty and that's why you can't defend yourself.

[Moros]

If I ask for an elaboration it's suspicious. If I elaborate and give information it's suspicious. If I don't elaborate it's suspicious. If I don't give information it's suspicious. If I eat, it's suspicious. If I fart, it's supsicious. If I drink, it's suspicious...

Welcome to MAFIA!!!

[Andres]

which means you don't feel you can be saved by just defending yourself, which means you know you're guilty and that's why you can't defend yourself.

Care to say something else instead of overly using the words "guilty" and "suspicious" ?

Meanwhile I'll continue drinking coffee (which isn't a good thing, because it's bad for my stomach)

[Louis VI the Fat]

Yes Louis the Fat, maybe I am a wiseguy, but read the rules carefully and you'll see that a Wiseguy can decide to join the Light Side of the Force. Until now, you have been doing nothing else then spreading wild accusations

Wild accusations? You mean, like informing everybody 5000 posts ago that Kralizec wrote the 'Andres PM'? Informing everybody that you're a wise guy?

The former was to kill Beirut's don, Kralizec. The latter was to persuade you to join the light side. The funny thing is, I was about to post this when I read your post:

Another mafia down!

Pity my call to kill off one of his henchmen at the same time wasn't heeded:

Hey, if some people unvote Pevergreen and change to Andres, so we get a tied vote, then Redleg can hang two baddies simultanously!

Post #434, page 22. The following was posted even before Andres was in the game, when Pevergreen and Andres were already plotting nasty schemes:

No idea what that is, but

to Andres, you left a * out, just so "you" and 'you' know what im talking about

However, Andres has yet time to prove my accusations wrong and redeem himself. Andres, save yourself, provide us with a definitive account of what the deal is with your PM and your intensive contacts with Pevergreen and Kralizec.
They're both dead, now speak up and save yourself!

If you have indeed chosen the light side of the force, you can prove it by PM-ing me the names of the people you wanted to start a mafia group with. Fail to mention but a single one, and I'll have to assume the temptation of the Dark Side overwhelmed you....

Pass, and I'll tell everybody that you're Jedi.

[Louis VI the Fat]

post #1064

That to me is proof that you are a don. [Pevergreen means Pannonian here]
Unvote; Vote: Pannonian

I guess Pannonian got the better of Pevergreen in the end.

Also, what's this all about then?
post #1088:

Just for fun:
ToS
FoS
HoS
All at Pannonian.

If Pevergreen was GH / MRD's don, then that means Pannonian isn't. Wasn't there a mix up between the names of Pevergreen and Pannonian? Did MRD really intend for that PM to be send to Pevergreen instead of Pannonian?

"You killed my Luca,
you killed my Made,
and now, you seek to lynch me…

But one still remains.

Who is it you think,
Who have we missed,
We killed every Corleone…

But One still remains.”

[Moros]

Care to say something else instead of overly using the words "guilty" and "suspicious" ?

Meanwhile I'll continue drinking coffee (which isn't a good thing, because it's bad for my stomach)

Lawyer should be able to defend himself better than that.

[The Stranger]

@moros, Well it was a risk I took, and it paid off... That's Mafia, That's Life.

off to bed... cya guys tommorrow...

[Csargo]

Lawyer should be able to defend himself better than that.

You'de think. Andres is looking pretty guilty especially after putting that evidence on prole which doesn't really mean anything cause I was going to do the same thing.

[The Stranger]

Wait a minute... Something is not right here. Seamus could you please explain to me what that thing behind Kralizec name means...

[Corleone Don] Does the corleone plainly means Don or does it means Don of the Corleone Family?

[Andres]

Lawyer should be able to defend himself better than that.

I'm not a lawyer. I have a law degree and a degree in "notariaat" + one in tax law.

I work with a notaris - notaire. For you anglo-saxons, compare it to a barrister specialised mainly in family law, corporate law, real estate and sometimes acting as a functionary in legal disputes. No pleading (well, sometimes, on very very rare occasions).

Gah! Calling me a lawyer. I'll sue your ass for that insult!

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Wait a minute... Something is not right here. Seamus could you please explain to me what that thing behind Kralizec name means...

[Corleone Don] Does the corleone plainly means Don or does it means Don of the Corleone Family?

If you are refering to the notations in the "Butcher's Bill," the notations refer to the [starting role] of the now dead player. There is no indication of family affiliation as I did not provide such.

As far as the narratives go, I compose them but I do solicit (but not require) specifics from those likely to be lynched should they wish to provide same. You can confirm this with any of the lynched to date.

[Kralizec]

So we almost got the corleone family and tagatalia family...

Hey Moros, how is it that you know it's the corleone and tagatalia families?

[Andres]

Time to quote myself (post 1166 on page 39), so the other players living in different timezones get the chance to read this and reflect on it.

Whoever posts immediately after this post and has already posted after the first time I posted this, is spamming to make this information disappear once again and therefore is suspicious.

You have been warned!

Also, anyone else get an interesting PM from Andres last night? A few rounds ago he PMed me to vote for Kralizec and I'd get an 'in' with his family. I was jumping on the bandwagon against Kral anyway, so I wrote back saying I wouldn't be a part of it unless I knew a more about his family or what his goals were. Yesterday he writes back saying basically 'vote for pevergreen, or I'll quote your response in the game thread.'

I thought that was a pretty poor attempt at blackmail, but it's interesting that Andres wanted Kral dead badly, and now has it in for pevergreen. pevergreen looks plenty guilty to me anyhow, don't really see the need for Andres to go around garnering votes.

Well, well, well. Proletariat wants me dead...

I'll tell the town some thingies...

Just a reminder : my time zone is GMT +1 (Brussels, Paris)

I PM'd Proletariat on the 24th of January at 9:16 am

At that time, the vote tally was as follows:

I'm convinced.

Vote: Pevergreen

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

pevergreen - 9 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit,AndresTheCunning, Sasaki, Xiahou, Papewaio, Destroyer of Hope, Stranger, Pindar)
AndresTheCunning - 5 ( Luigi VI di Fatlington, Moros, CountArach, BKS)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Abstain - 4 (Alexander, ByzantineKnight, Destroyer of Hope, Kommodus)
Sasaki - 2 (pevergreen, Pannonian)
Reenk Roink - 1 (Reenk Roink)
No Lynch - 1 (Caius)

9 for pevergreen - 5 for me. Seamus posted that this day would en at 14h00 his timezone, this means at 20h00 for me. Still 11 hours to go and it was not sure pevergreen would be lynched. So I wanted a bandwagon by the time the players of the other timezons popped up.

Why did I want pevergreen to die so eagerly?

In tempore non suspecto (when I was not yet participating in the game) Kralizec informed me he was 90 % sure pevergreen was mafia (from another family). After seeing his suspicious "investigation results" I was convinced he was mafia.

So I pm'd Proletariat this at 9.16 am:

1. Jump on the bandwagon and vote pevergreen
2. pm me your role description.


I assume you don't want this to appear in the Capo thread, do you?

What was this "this"? Well it was a pm Proletariat sent to me in tempore non suspecto (to be precisely the 19th of January at 19:29) to be deliverd at my "mafia contact", id est Kralizec

Here is the pm:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Hello Proletariat,

I apologize for the condescending tone, I didn't mean it like that. I did mean to let you in once you've started to kill for us. I also apologize for what Ichigo did, I messed up the PMs so that he went after you.
If you're willing to forgive me, we need your help pretty badly.
Reenk Roink is one of my potential recruits who I've been talking to. He's (almost) tied with Krazilec when it comes to votes so the result is a little uncertain. If Krazilec is lynched he'll be the scapegoat for this PM episode. Vote for him and I'll bring you into our family.

Signed,
A mafioso

To the mafioso,

No need to apologize, I was trying to get a rise out of the mysterious group that contacted so many players, nothing was meant by what I said in the thread.

I have placed my vote on Kral and willl leave it there for now, but I'm still a little skeptical about what I'm getting into here. What family is this? What's your faction's goal? How can I help?

prole

[/QUOTE]

Now, why would Kralizec have asked for Proletariat to vote for him? Check this thread and specifically the posts made by that time. Things were going pretty bad for Kralizec. He was about to get lynched. He thought Proletariat didn't want to cooperate and thus he thought I'll say to vote Kralizec and then she will vote for somebody else. Apparently Proletariat was willing to cooperate with the mafia and she voted Kralizec... Don Kralizec gambled and lost.

To prove it was Kralizec who wrote the legendary PM's, I'll tell you this :

Kralizec was surprised that I had joined the game and he wrote this to me:

Je speelt nu zelf mee?
ff iets dat me meteen opvalt:

Andres should be kept alive this night with a promise to inform the town who he was sending the PM's for if he survives the night. If he fails to provide that information as soon as the night phase is done, for the sake of timing, 4 hours after the Night Phase write-up is posted. If he doesn't provide the information we can always vote to lynch him that day or the next, all depending if his information warrants a detective to investigate or not.

But that is just my idea.

Redleg was een van de personen die onze PM's gekregen heeft.
Het is goed mogelijk dat hij GeneralHankerchief heeft vermoord - GH was een van zijn toegestane slachtoffers in de PM.

-Kralizec

I'll translate the Dutch: You're part of the game now? Something that grabbed my attention - the quote from Redleg - Redleg was one of the persons who got our PM's. It's perfectly possible he was the one that killed GeneralHankerchief. GH was one of the victims allowed in the PM.

So, to conclude:

1. Proletariat was eager to cooperate with the mob which means she is a) a Wise Gal b) a townie playing pro-mafia ==> Lynch her
2) I did get the already legendary PM's from Kralizec
3) Redleg has something to explain.


Now, you all know that with the revealing of this information before the night has ended, I risk my life.

So yes I kept this information for myself because I wanted to be 100 % sure pevergreen got lynched. If not by convincing the townies, then by blackmailing.

To prove I'm pro town I don't wait until the night has expired but I give this information now.

Maybe they won't kill me so you'll all start to think I lied. Maybe they are afraid for what else information I might have (which saddenly isn't the case) and they will take no further risk and kill me.

I think I have sufficiently proven my innocence and have been more cooperative towards the town then many of you who are playing this game since the very start.

Yes Louis the Fat, maybe I am a wiseguy, but read the rules carefully and you'll see that a Wiseguy can decide to join the Light Side of the Force. Until now, you have been doing nothing else then spreading wild accusations, meanwhile leaving alot of lurkers at rest... Why?

You also weren't correct about the time I got my role PM.

Instead of speculations and wild accusations, it might be better to come with clear facts.

Only look at the facts and who should be lynched or at least investigated?

- Redleg
- The Stranger
- Proletariat

Add to that this strange event, and we have some people who have to elaborate on some things, namely:

- Byzantine Knight
- Caius Flaminius
- TheStranger
- Stig (a dead wiseguy whose soul needs to confess )


I would like to remind all of you that I suspect a new strategy: spamming this thread so that vital information gets lost and people who don't spend all day behind the pc will miss it and will just jump on the bandwagon. So if I see spamming, I will just copy paste this post as many times as necessary so that everybody has the chance to read it.

I rest my case... for now...

[Csargo]

bleh

[Stig]

- Stig (a dead wiseguy whose soul needs to confess)

What do I need to confess?

[doc_bean]

Hey Moros, how is it that you know it's the corleone and tagatalia families?

I'd like to know this too

[Kralizec]

Should anyone wonder, I confirm that Andres is telling the truth.