Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[Crazed Rabbit]

Andres and I made a deal. He wanted to prove his innocence, and I provided him with an opportunity. If he would PM me some things that would prove his willingness to work with the town, then I would tell everybody that he did so.

He provided it, and I stuck to my end of the bargain. He is of the light side of the force now, a Jedi. Andres is now innocent until proven guilty, just like everybody else.

Everything about the original 'Andres PM' is forgotten and the suspicion it raised is no longer relevant to Andres' present position in this game.

For you, maybe, but the rest of us have not seen any of that information. So for us, suspicion is just as relevent.

Crazed Rabbit

[Motep]

For you, maybe, but the rest of us have not seen any of that information. So for us, suspicion is just as relevent.

Crazed Rabbit

I for one am willing to forgive Andres for his past deeds...now...onto the lyching of me (according to pannonian, one of the people I protected)

[Major Robert Dump]

The PM to Pannonian was intentional. The idea was to bluff that I, as a wiseguy, got special info on other wiseguys. After I contacted the person of choice (in this case Pannonian) I would investigate the contact to see if he was being honest with me and move from there.

I put out GH for the sake of making him look like a doctor, something he did as well. Obviously, this may have contributed to his death if word got out to other mafia (or was it a vigilante grp that killed him?)

I did, however, make one fatal mistake that ended up costing me. I didn't read up on the roles adequately, and for some reason I thought wiseguys could do investigations. I completely forgot i used the word invesstigate in that PM until it was posted here, otherwise I would have been trying to talk my way out of it in PMs. In short, my stupid mistake is not as stupid as it first appears, but it was pretty freakin stupid and I cost my team the game.

FYI Pannonian, I really, really wanted to do protection groups with you guys, the idea being that I agree to go then not show up. If I were really lucky, the target would still die and you would have gotten killed as well. Now that would have been funny

[The Stranger]

but you got it all wrong... Pannonian is a Don... an you as MRD are a Made... You can do investigations... Youre family is DEAD... help the town win!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

but you got it all wrong... Pannonian is a Don... an you as MRD are a Made... You can do investigations... Youre family is DEAD... help the town win!

MRD is dead

And what makes you think pannonian is a don?

[The Stranger]

I know MRD is dead... so is his family.... but he has done Invests... his Don told me...

Why I suspect Pann?

For starters, He was very fast to accuse me Pevergreen and Motep of being mafia... He was right about Pevergreen, but I know he got Insideintel about that one. Pevergreen's Team was ratted out by one... member to say it like that. We're missing one more Luca, Kralizec's Luca... Pann thought that maybe I or Motep were his luca... or made or whatever... So he wanted us dead, because he thought we were rival families.

His socalled claim of suicide... is he dead? NO! Why... because nobody wanted to join him in his noble cause... Oh wait... it was HIS noble cause wasn't it... all shallow words, no deeds... to be seen in the fact that he is still alive.

His oppinion about me might have changed... so has my oppinion about him. Also I think I can explain a lot of the attacks and murders, I just need to sort a few things out.

Also... out of the blue you decided that Andres was not guilty while you were amongst the first to scream his name... How come? Know something we don't know.

One more phase, and it's time for revelation, THE SHALL EAT GOOD TOMORROW

[The Stranger]

Oh... and you're awefully quick to react... how come?

[pevergreen]

THE SHALL EAT GOOD TOMORROW

Lost the Clones i have, mm, mm - Yoda.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Who are you to say who's suspicious or not?

I'm not. Andres and I struck a deal, he fullfilled his end of the bargain, so I was compelled to fulfill my end.
Caius then looked inquisitive at my post 'Andres is a Jedi': "". So I figured he, maybe others too, may not have understood what that was all about. Staying true to the spirit of the deal with Andres, I now felt compelled to explain again, in certain terms, what it was all about.

So I spelled out the deal in great detail and a clear language. It may read like an irritatingly pompous statement declaring Andres clean, but in fact it is simply me making sure the deal was explained clearly to Caius.

Would you care to share what information he has given you? Withholding it will only serve to make you suspicious. If it leads to another Mafia death, and you get killed for it, it will be a win for the town. Whereas, if you don't share, we will kill you anyway. So decide now:

1. Share the information with us and get killed by the mafia, but have a chance of being protected
2. Don't share the information and get lynched.

[HughTower]

The PM to Pannonian was intentional. The idea was to bluff that I, as a wiseguy, got special info on other wiseguys. After I contacted the person of choice (in this case Pannonian) I would investigate the contact to see if he was being honest with me and move from there.

I don't believe this. Pannionian described this as his first recieved PM (it came almost along with the role PMs. Why do you ask him who should you recruit/investigate? How do you already know GH is a 'doctor' - and why would he tell you? Why would you suggest that GH spend his turns protecting Pannionian if you didn't know what he was? Your explanation fits with the later PMs, but not the very first one.

Why has pevergreen revealed his identity as a Don? Is he really rooting for a townie win? Or could he be diverting suspicion away from the real Don of the family, who is still alive, but all alone? I await his autopsy with interest, & these are my logical absolutes.

1. If pevergreen is a Don, then Pannionian cannot be Don of the MRD & GH family. He might still be criminal, but the only evidence then against him is his strange demands for double suicides.
2. If pevergreen is NOT a Don, then Pannionian must be, & MRD's post quoted above is an attempt to divert suspicion away from him.

At the start of the game, I was in contact with pevergreen & he convinced me he was townie by quoting from the townie PM (before it was posted publicly). This is not foolproof evidence, but worthy of consideration only. He could merely be a rogue townie.

pevergreen's autopsy holds the answer, not his lynching 'song' or any admissions in chat rooms. Till then, we must wait on Pannionian, & try & work out family no. 3.

[Redleg]

Well Well it seems The Stranger is attempting threats and wanting others to do some killing for him. Sorry all this does is cast suspecion on youThe Stranger and makes me wonder if you did not have a part to play in Andres's earlier PM.

IMHO SCREW MOTEP AND HUGH!!!

I'm onto the next Don and a Special Role... Both Mafia ofcourse... But I want to nail them both at the same time, so... Can you kill Pannonian so we can lynch the other, my proof will set you free of all guilt.

Also... Sasaki is dirty...

Attempting to get others to play the patsy for you seems to be an indication that you are not what you claim to be.

[The Stranger]

Redleg... you're stupid...

[The Stranger]

It was no threat... as the PM title said... REQUEST...

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Oh I am lost in this thread, I don't know who is who and what is supposed to be going on here. However, although I do now trust The Stranger - I need to ask him why he needed Redleg to perform the kill for him. How does he know that Redleg is trustworthy?

[HughTower]

You will choose some “signature” component that will feature in all of your family’s killings. This may be a consistent method, a symbol or calling card, or some other distinctive characteristic – but it must be used in each killing without exception. You must notify me of this characteristic with your first nighttime PM.

On a separate note, I believe the obvious conclusion is that every successful killing, apart from Aggony's, & also Moros' attempted murder, were the actions of 1 Mafia family. In N3, they killed once, & attempted once - which means they must have thought they had at least 4 people loyal to them, excl. the Don. That breaks down to whether 2 or 3 new recuits depending on whether the Luca protected or not.

I reckon they're lurking.

[The Stranger]

I think I have a idea about who attacked MRD, Moros and Aggony...

RTWGuru was attacked by one person... a loner...

One more phase... Almost...

[HughTower]

I think I have a idea about who attacked MRD, Moros and Aggony...

Aggony was killed separately to everyone else - there was no white glove, he was strung up in pevergreen's living room with a poem about how the bad guys will win.

[The Stranger]

Yeah... I know, but it can be a group operating here... A wise guy that has been ordered to do a hit... but I was talking about the boss behind these kills... if there is one ofcourse... I'm not sure... yet...

[Major Robert Dump]

Hugh you are reading far, far too into my PM and not realizing with every mafia family also comes goals of individual self preservation. but if it makes you happy, sure, Pannonian is my Don. Whatever. I hope the town doesn't win, you are all so inept thus far with the obvious starting advantage. Misdirection is a wench, ain't it?

[Moros]

I think I have a idea about who attacked MRD, Moros and Aggony...

RTWGuru was attacked by one person... a loner...

One more phase... Almost...

Will a new director also be elected next day? Or is it the day after?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Will a new director also be elected next day? Or is it the day after?

A new Director will be elected on Day 5, serving as Director for Days 6 & 7.

[The Stranger]

Hugh you are reading far, far too into my PM and not realizing with every mafia family also comes goals of individual self preservation. but if it makes you happy, sure, Pannonian is my Don. Whatever. I hope the town doesn't win, you are all so inept thus far with the obvious starting advantage. Misdirection is a wench, ain't it?

...I want to know who killed you... You're mafia... but which family...

[Redleg]

Redleg... you're stupid...

So your response is that I am stupid. Rather a stupid comment to be making.

[Redleg]

It was no threat... as the PM title said... REQUEST...

Actually it was a threat notice your last line. Wanting me to kill someone for you to prove my innocence - is an attempt at blackmail - which is a threat.

It makes me wonder if you really are the townie that you claim to be. Advocating the death of individuals by murder is normally a sign of a criminal desire. Using blackmail is also normally associated with someone who has a criminal intent.

[The Stranger]

No you misread my PM... I said when you kill I'll bring up the evidence to prove that the person you killed was Mafia, which would set you free of any guilt, when investigated you show up guilty but thats because you killed a mobster...

[The Stranger]

Also I'm sorry for my 1st reply...

Í meant you are acting/being stupid... I don't think yur stupid, I think you're rather smart, thats why I was stunned you posted that...

[Redleg]

Also I'm sorry for my 1st reply...

Í meant you are acting/being stupid... I don't think yur stupid, I think you're rather smart, thats why I was stunned you posted that...

Tsk Tsk - clouded accusations and demands sent via PM was your undoing.

No you misread my PM... I said when you kill I'll bring up the evidence to prove that the person you killed was Mafia, which would set you free of any guilt, when investigated you show up guilty but thats because you killed a mobster...

If you wanted someone to kill another - you should present the evidence to that individual so that they can determine if they wish to pursue your desired course of action.

The way you wrote the message implied a threat. Which returns me to the way the wording of Andres's message in PM was done. So it seems that your more guilty of playing others as the patsy then a few other possiblities.

Playing people as Patsy's is also a technique used by those wanting to support the criminal element.

I think you have some explaining to do. You can either do it by PM or you can do it here. However attempts at vague and inconsistent explainations are your downfall.

[The Stranger]

I wouldve provided you with the info when you replied... When you say I'm willing to consider but send me the info, I wouldve... but you didnt... too bad... Now you have to wait...

[Moros]

Redleg, who did TS want you to kill? I think I know who. And I know he has the evidence. But it's evidence he can't just show in public.

Anyway, why are you guys still after TS so much? I think almost every accusation he made has been quite true. Krazilec, pevergreen, beirut,...

[The Stranger]

not to mention MRD...