Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[Pannonian]

Yes, we all know that Pevergreen is guilty. Very Guilty. And new evidence is pointing at pannonian. I have nothing new to add on the situation, but I will simply state that I am fairly sure he is guilty.

Vote: Pannonian

And this is the kind of hinting at hidden knowledge that I was warning of. Nothing public that people can discuss and look at, just a hint that the grapevine that we are not privy to says this person is guilty. Look in the glossary for the definition of meatballing, except this doesn't even have the grace of a flimsy excuse, but offers no excuse at all.

As I've said to Luigi, my reasoning is out in the open, my sources are named. To find out if I'm telling the truth, all you have to do is double check with these people to see if our stories match. And to see if I'm pro-town or pro-mafia, read my posts in this thread and check with those of my fellow conversants whom you believe to be innocent and see if my activity is consistently pro-town or pro-mafia.

I was reluctant to point at Sasaki to start with, given that his exchanges on page 21 was what pointed me to pevergreen in the first place, and there were certain aspects of pevergreen's story that didn't make sense. I ask once more, can Sasaki provide a description of his role and activities so far, so we can check with other sources? To make it less one-sided, here's mine.

Role: townie
D1: Select: Banquo
N1: Sleep
D2: Vote: Reenk Roink
N2: Sleep
D3: Vote: Beirut, Select: Redleg
N3: Protect: pevergreen, with Jimbob and Redleg
D4: Vote: Sasaki
N4: Sleep

[Motep]

hmmm...If you want an excuse, Ill tell you the truth. I will not reveal the name of the person who pmed me the information, and I have deleted the pm for space (I really should have saved it...)

[CountArach]

I really don't know where to go from here. We have eliminated IMO our main suspects.

I'll wait for Sasaki's response to Pannonian before deciding my votes.

[Crazed Rabbit]

You guys know you can save PMs to your computer, right?

Ok, so far I gather that TS is accusing Sasaki of being mafia because of information from a now dead don- who says Sasaki betrayed him to help Pannonian, who also accused Sasaki.

Seems that both cannot be true.

Andres thinks Moros and TS are mafia, Motep is claiming to be part of a townie protection group.

Now, to me it seems Moros, or at the least TS, are pro-town, making me wonder why Andres is so adamant - because of Moros' saying he supports Sasaki? I believe others accused Andres of trying to start a Dutch mafia.

And then, for reasons I don't exactly recall, Moros voted for Doc_bean.

Right now I'm going to Select: Redleg if I can, as he seems sincerely pro-town.


I don't know who to vote for right now.

Crazed Rabbit

[Warluster]

What is tihs, people were voting for other people because they were posting too much? Why were people trying to vote for peop e which were 'annoying' when we could be voting for people who may certianly be mafia? The people who are voting for the 'annoying' people (As they are called by some people) should be the ones who lynch, they are trying to knock out townie when they could be knocking out mafia!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Pannonian, I responded in post 1349.

Select:Moros

[Caius]

I can prove Motep is on a group.

[HughTower]

We should await to pass judgement on Pannionian till pevergreen's autopsy. The only evidence that we have that pevergreen was a Don was from his own words. If pevergreen is not a Don, then Pannionian is one.

The White Glove mafia are now killing people relentlessly - they are growing stronger by the day. They are the threat & I hope Seamus' WOGs will clear out some names so we can start narrowing lurkers down.

Until then, I'd also like to see Omanes fill the director's chair, simply as a kind of Ross Perot, left-field candidate, about whose role I have no definitive opinion.

For a lynching, I would like us to consider those people who have been 'protected' so far in previous attacks. My understanding is that list reads:

Sasaki
Proletariat
Redleg

Can anyone stand up & say that they protected these people on the nights they were attacked? If you're a doctor & don't want to be revealed, then tell your name to Ichigo & let him be trusted with revealing that information. If no-one stands for these people, then can we assume that they might have been protected by a Luca (esp in the first round)?

Sasaki has been accused recently, I have my doubts, but Ichigo has claimed his innocence. I must follow my own lead & trust Ichigo then.
Redleg's murder attempt came later on in the game when he was becoming a force for the good, & so I can believe that he might have been looked after.
By elimination then, I return to Proletariat for my own personal vote, an inconsistent poster but came straight out & defended herself when Pannionian offered his bizarre suicide pact to her (so a self-interested lurker with no though for the town), & protected in the very first round of the game.

So, in summary,

Vote: Proletariat
Select: Omanes

[CountArach]

I can prove Motep is on a group.

I can as well, but ultimately I am not sure of his motives...

[HughTower]

Tally:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Proletariat - 2 (Omanes, HughTower)
doc bean - 1 (Moros)
Sasaki - 3 (Pannonian, The Stranger, Kagemusha)
The Stranger - 1 (Orb)
Pannionian - 1 (Motep)

Director:
Banquo - 2 (Omanes, Pannonian)
Omanes - 2 (Kagemusha, Hughtower)
Redleg - 1 (Crazed Rabbit)
Moros - 1 (Sasaki)

[Motep]

Ah...found an older one in my inbox from my discussion with Redleg.

Note: Names have been saved for protection reasons (all except those we were protecting)



Edit: Why will it not place it in the letter format?




Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Motep of Kendermore
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Motep of Kendermore

Somebody but I can not get a confirmation from him right now. If you can get Sombody to commit that will be great. I also think Pannion is also going to get hit, and I am trying to arrange an additional protection party of three others to protect him.



I think I may become a doctor now...more noble profession...


I can possibly get Somebody to help on that...

I doubt that I can persuade Somebody to help.


I made a correction to my previous note - I can not get Somebodies confirmation yet on protecting Pevegreen - so I think if you got confirmation from Someone we can get that one down between the three of us.

I got Someone else's committment to be on a protection committee and with sombody and sombody else (brillant minds think alike.) committment we can have protection set up for pannonion also. (got to check the spelling on that one)



Thats good. Somebody is very certainly likely to help us. We are on very good terms.

But get Someone to help on protecting pannonion (spelled it the way you did, as I cannot spell it). I have dispatched pms to someone and to someone else to help you. I told them to contact you.[/quote]


Okay its a done deal. someone, You and me protect, Pevergreen.

I will attempt to get someone, somebody, somone else, and somebody else to protect pannonion.

Hopefully three of them will commit.

[Pannonian]

Pannonian, I responded in post 1349.

What was the question you asked, and who else did you ask? That's what I mean by corroboration, name names as I've done so we can check up.

We should await to pass judgement on Pannionian till pevergreen's autopsy. The only evidence that we have that pevergreen was a Don was from his own words. If pevergreen is not a Don, then Pannionian is one.

Has anyone bothered to check up on the sources I've named? I've been more open than anyone else in this game, I've offered advice which has been proven to be successfully pro-town in previous Mafia games, yet people still nail me as a Don. I feel like Lemur in M3. As I've said, ask the soiurces I've named, surely at least some of whom you trust as townies, and see if our stories match. Once you've verified that I'm telling the truth, see if my behaviour is pro-mafia or pro-town.

hmmm...If you want an excuse, Ill tell you the truth. I will not reveal the name of the person who pmed me the information, and I have deleted the pm for space (I really should have saved it...)

This is the worst excuse I've yet seen, and you've offered a few prize ones. Absolutely nothing anyone can check on or refute, just an unverifiable hint that I'm guilty. Based once again on your accusations and subsequent dilly-dally on page 21 (like Lemur's spicy meat-a-balls in M2), your non-explanations of your supposed role as dentist (similar to Sigurd's terrorist in Gotta Have More Mafia), and this most recent and extreme example yet of meatballing.

Unvote: Sasaki
Vote: Motep

Let someone else keep track of the score. I cleaned up once, then people dropped it again in the torrent of spam.

[Caius]

I said i can prove it

[Pannonian]

Tally

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Proletariat - 2 (Omanes, HughTower)
doc bean - 1 (Moros)
Sasaki - 2 (The Stranger, Kagemusha)
The Stranger - 1 (Orb)
Pannionian - 1 (Motep)
Motep - 1 (Pannonian)

Director:
Banquo - 2 (Omanes, Pannonian)
Omanes - 2 (Kagemusha, Hughtower)
Redleg - 1 (Crazed Rabbit)
Moros - 1 (Sasaki)

[Motep]

This is the worst excuse I've yet seen, and you've offered a few prize ones. Absolutely nothing anyone can check on or refute, just an unverifiable hint that I'm guilty. Based once again on your accusations and subsequent dilly-dally on page 21 (like Lemur's spicy meat-a-balls in M2), your non-explanations of your supposed role as dentist (similar to Sigurd's terrorist in Gotta Have More Mafia), and this most recent and extreme example yet of meatballing.

Reat the post above the one you most recently posted

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I said i can prove it

Caius, you gave the names of the three from your group. But have you made a successful protection of someone?

[Caius]

Caius, you gave the names of the three from your group. But have you made a successful protection of someone?

No, because neither of both were attacked.

[Motep]

No, because neither of both were attacked.

I can back him up on that one.

[Pannonian]

Reat the post above the one you most recently posted

Then let's wait for Redleg to confirm the truth or otherwise of that claim. Why don't you give a full explanation of what you are and what you've done so far, so people can have some material to work with? I've detailed just about every activity of mine in this game so far, which people can check up on if they don't trust me on it. Why don't you do the same?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

What was the question you asked, and who else did you ask? That's what I mean by corroboration, name names as I've done so we can check up.

Hey, pevergreen, just to let you know it's not in your best interest to vote me. I know your not the detective now, so I figure you're mafia. Well I have one of the special roles, I can protect your subordinates from cop investigation. How about we work together?

Sasaki

Very well.

Still a bit unclear on what you can do though.

All these new roles, im used to cards mafia

All righty! Lets take over this dump of a town.

Not sure why he bought it so easily.

[Motep]

first night: failed murder round up (only got three people...)
second: protection of pevergreen
third: I think I was protecting pannonian
fourth: protecting Redleg (forgot he was director)


And was there a fifth night so far?

I think that this is the fifth day and I think Im forgetting something...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Who was the failed murder of?

[Motep]

Also: it sucks my buddy Caius died....he was my helper with protection missions along with someone


The failed murder was on Pevergren

[Pannonian]

Once again, let me repeat this plea that I originally made in M3. Make your discussions public. Put your evidence and reasoning out into the open, so people can double check its validity. Someone noted that the chatroom was the mafia's best friend, as it allowed them to persuade select people without exposing the discussion to public scrutiny.

[CountArach]

Here are some PMs I have recieved from Motep. Remember that he wanted to protect Pevergreen later:

Lord Motep of Kendermore
Tho One True Mazzat
Member




Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Relaxing in Solace after a long battle.
Posts: 957

Total Awards: 1 (more» ...) Its time that we discuss things....

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I will organize a murder. We must kill pevergreen for some random reason I do not wholly understand. Understanding that there is a good possibility that you are a townie, (I am, so if you are not, do not be cruel) I will send a pm to Ichigo as well...If both of you accept, you will hear from me again...

Now, why would he want to kill Pevergreen? It seems eratic and bloodthirsty. The idea I have is that he is a townie, workign with the Mafia, perhaps a rival family?

Also the next line after that, "I understand that there is a good possibility that you are a townie"... why would he be scared of that? I think he has some evil ideas.

Then I get this PM:

Disregard that last PM

So my conclusion is that Ichigo did not accept.

Note: I was never planning on working with Motep.

So for this PM, I choose to:

Vote: Lord Motep of Kendermore

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Proletariat - 2 (Omanes, HughTower)
doc bean - 1 (Moros)
Sasaki - 2 (The Stranger, Kagemusha)
The Stranger - 1 (Orb)
Pannionian - 1 (Motep)
Motep - 2 (Pannonian, CountArach)

Director:
Banquo - 2 (Omanes, Pannonian)
Omanes - 2 (Kagemusha, Hughtower)
Redleg - 1 (Crazed Rabbit)
Moros - 1 (Sasaki)

[Pannonian]

first night: failed murder round up (only got three people...)
second: protection of pevergreen
third: I think I was protecting pannonian
fourth: protecting Redleg (forgot he was director)


And was there a fifth night so far?

I think that this is the fifth day and I think Im forgetting something...

I'm not going to ask you who else were in your protection groups. But who else was in your murder group?

[Crazed Rabbit]

Hughtower, you've been after Proletariat for quite a while, haven't you?

Do you not recall who claimed responsibility for the attempt on Proletariat and who you say you trust? Ichigo, aka Csar?

He seemed to imply to was only himself that went after Proletariat - which would be why the kill failed, as a single townie will not succeed.

In other news, Pannonian makes a good point:

This is the worst excuse I've yet seen, and you've offered a few prize ones. Absolutely nothing anyone can check on or refute, just an unverifiable hint that I'm guilty. Based once again on your accusations and subsequent dilly-dally on page 21 (like Lemur's spicy meat-a-balls in M2), your non-explanations of your supposed role as dentist (similar to Sigurd's terrorist in Gotta Have More Mafia), and this most recent and extreme example yet of meatballing.

Unvote: Sasaki
Vote: Motep

His 'I deleted it' reminds me of a detective claim laden with errors in a previous game-

Vote: Motep

Crazed Rabbit

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Also: it sucks my buddy Caius died....he was my helper with protection missions along with someone


The failed murder was on Pevergren

As a matter of game mechanics (mentioned in the role sheets):

1. Any attempt to kill someone will generate part of the narrative for that night.

2. ANY of the following could generate a narrative of a failed murder:

a) Protection by a Doctor

b) Protection by a Luca

c) Protection by a Surgeon [chance for would be killer to die]

d) Protection by a Townie Group

e) Attack by a group lacking sufficient numbers or the right type of role-players to effectively perform the attack. In the case of a Townie operating solo, the kill not only fails, but the Townie has a 1 in 3 chance of ending up dead. The same is true of a failed solo effort at protection.

f) Specia effects associated with one of the Secret roles.

3. My narratives will allude to some of these possibilities, but well never do so in a fashion that is definitive. This is, after all, more "film noir" than documentary....

You just lied. Vote:Motep

[Motep]

Here are some PMs I have recieved from Motep. Remember that he wanted to protect Pevergreen later:



Now, why would he want to kill Pevergreen? It seems eratic and bloodthirsty. The idea I have is that he is a townie, workign with the Mafia, perhaps a rival family?

Also the next line after that, "I understand that there is a good possibility that you are a townie"... why would he be scared of that? I think he has some evil ideas.

Then I get this PM:



So my conclusion is that Ichigo did not accept.

Note: I was never planning on working with Motep.

So for this PM, I choose to:

Vote: Lord Motep of Kendermore

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Proletariat - 2 (Omanes, HughTower)
doc bean - 1 (Moros)
Sasaki - 2 (The Stranger, Kagemusha)
The Stranger - 1 (Orb)
Pannionian - 1 (Motep)
Motep - 2 (Pannonian, CountArach)

Director:
Banquo - 2 (Omanes, Pannonian)
Omanes - 2 (Kagemusha, Hughtower)
Redleg - 1 (Crazed Rabbit)
Moros - 1 (Sasaki)

Yes...well that bloodlust was on the basis that I was very bored that day. And since then, I have let it cool. And I was not afraid of him being a townie, but of him being a mafia who wanted to go townie hunting.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Once again, let me repeat this plea that I originally made in M3. Make your discussions public. Put your evidence and reasoning out into the open, so people can double check its validity. Someone noted that the chatroom was the mafia's best friend, as it allowed them to persuade select people without exposing the discussion to public scrutiny.

Oddly enough, that was Sigurd, who has been remarkably absent from this thread.