Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

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From : Sasaki Kojiro
To :
Date : 2007-01-26 13:24
Title : Re: CDTC (I think thats howe you spell it)Question
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I do know who some wise guys and mafia are...but I have to know, are you working for the town?

Sasaki
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that was what I received from Sasaki shortly after my PM's, Mafia contacts, where did you get them, why didnt you tell us? Tihs ones from my saved Pm's on my computer.

Now I know you're working for mafia. The pm said "former mafia", it's in my original post. I was trying to get you to admit you were looking for a family. Of course I know former mafia, they are revealed after death. You've put the formatting similar to when it's saved in a text file, why? Surely you haven't removed it from your pm box already? Why are you now admitting to pm'ing me when you said I'd made the pm's up before? I have news for you, no one here thinks I'm stupid enough to say that.

[Warluster]

(OOC- I got it out of my PM box because of lack of space)
i never said I thought those PM's were fake, i never said anything like that!
And also, read the whole post, at the bottom of my post I said that it was saved to my computer!

[Crazed Rabbit]

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From : Sasaki Kojiro
To :
Date : 2007-01-26 13:24
Title : Re: CDTC (I think thats howe you spell it)Question
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I do know who some wise guys and mafia are...but I have to know, are you working for the town?

Sasaki
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that was what I received from Sasaki shortly after my PM's, Mafia contacts, where did you get them, why didnt you tell us? Tihs ones from my saved Pm's on my computer.

The PMs you originally said were forged by Sasaki? The PM were he said 'former mafia' not just mafia?

What tangled webs we weave, when first we practice to deceive...it seems possible we might have another mafioso.

EDIT:

lol, nice one wasnt it Sasaki, your final clinging hopes. And your going to post the next one soon as well?
This is to everyone who goes to the chat room, does everyone see me saying in some posts, 'man its cold here,its snowing.' how could that be? I live in Australia! it hasnt snowed here for years, ask pevergreen, when was the last time it snowed up here?

That seems to be saying the PMs are fake - or what did you mean by it?

Crazed Rabbit

[Sasaki Kojiro]

(OOC- I got it out of my PM box because of lack of space)
i never said I thought those PM's were fake, i never said anything like that!
And also, read the whole post, at the bottom of my post I said that it was saved to my computer!

This is to everyone who goes to the chat room, does everyone see me saying in some posts, 'man its cold here,its snowing.' how could that be? I live in Australia! it hasnt snowed here for years, ask pevergreen, when was the last time it snowed up here?

You did.

[Cowhead418]

Holy crap! So many pages to sift through each day! I really don't have anyone that I'm very suspicious of, but there are many possible suspects out there. It's hard to make sense of things when there is so much spamming from the Stranger. I will not vote someone for the sake of it, so I shall Vote: Abstain for this round. Also, I like Redleg as director so I Select: Redleg for director once more.

Proletariat - 2 (Omanes, HughTower)
doc bean - 1 (Moros)
Sasaki - 7 (The Stranger, Kagemusha,Warluster, Xiahou, CountArach, ByzantineKnight, Kommodus)
The Stranger - 1 (Orb)
Pannionian - 1 (Motep)
Motep - 2 (Pannonian, Crazed Rabbit)
Moros-1(JimBob)
Warluster- 1 (Sasaki)
Abstain - 1 (Cowhead418)

[Warluster]

I shall not argue anymore, i know I am innocent and there are plenty of people to prove it.

[Redleg]

Interesting possibilities continue to present themselves. A couple of exchanges have happen that demonstrate that some are attempting to deceive us into taking a course of action that might or might not end up being correct for the town.


These posts raises some interesting issues

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...postcount=1292

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...postcount=1298

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...postcount=1349


I have one question - Sasaki has done an execellent job of redirecting the focus on other areas and on other people but I have missed the answer to one of the questions posed in the initial exchange.

Edit:

The question missed is in the exchange latter on but the answer is not clear nor is it concise. In a desire to clear up the confusion I would like to see a response concerning the allegation of the mafia role of "Wolf"

Edit: Late at night for me after working a double shift, does anyone have the running tally for the lynch and the director selection.

[Pindar]

Vote: Abstain
Select: Redleg

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Proletariat - 2 (Omanes, HughTower)
doc bean - 1 (Moros)
Sasaki - 7 (The Stranger, Kagemusha,Warluster, Xiahou, CountArach, ByzantineKnight, Kommodus)
The Stranger - 1 (Orb)
Pannionian - 1 (Motep)
Motep - 2 (Pannonian, Crazed Rabbit)
Moros-1(JimBob)
Warluster- 1 (Sasaki)
Abstain - 2 (Cowhead418), Pindar

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Right, I have to go to bed and have no desire to wake up lynched. I urge you all to vote for Warluster or Motep. Congratulations pevergreen, you've forced me to reveal:



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CDTC: Your Role

Your Role: Rogue Detective

As with any pro-townie role, your basic mode for success is to vote to lynch Mafiosi, eventually removing the mafia threat from Fatlington and creating a town win. You’re not too worried about playing by the rules, however. In the style of Mike Hammer/Sam Spade, you are more than willing to dispense justice as needed with the help of “Betsy” (your Colt Model 1911 .45 ACP, hand loaded cartridges with dum-dums and armor piercing in a 2-1 ratio—and yes you always carry a full clip and one in the tube). On odd-numbered nights you may investigate up to 2 people. On even-numbered nights, you may attempt to kill anyone whom you have learned to be “guilty” or “criminal” in your investigations. If you give up this kill option, you may investigate 1 additional person on that even-numbered night phase.

Role Changing:

At your discretion, however, this role can change. This will take time, effort, and coordination with other townies. If you:

Combine with 2 Independent Wise Guys or 1 Made/Family Wise Guy to attempt a killing. 3 successful killings and the permission of the family Don and you become a Made member of that family (losing your Rogue Detective status).

Combine with 3 other townies you can attempt to kill one target per night (after two successful hits, you will become a Wise Guy (losing your Rogue Detective status).

Combine with 2 other townies you can attempt to protect one target per night (after two successful protections, one of you may become a “Doctor “ losing your Rogue Detective status).

Creating these combinations is up to you however, and you will have to work out your own deals/contracts/arrangements for forming such a combo with the other players.

PM’s:

Each night you are still alive, PM me with instructions for your actions that night. These may be:

“Get some sleep” “Investigate so-and-so” “ Kill so-and-so” “Protect so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…” or “kill so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…”

Warning: if the requisite number of townies is NOT available, the protection/kill effort will almost certainly fail. If a townie attempts a kill/protection solo, the effort will certainly fail, and there will be at least one chance in three that the townie will perish in the attempt.

Investigations:

You will always register as “criminal” if investigated. When investigating others, your information will be significantly delayed – but much more accurate – then a regular detective. Rather then receiving your information at the conclusion of the night phase (when the regular detective gets their answer), you will receive yours at the beginning of the 2nd DAY phase following the investigation (e.g. investigate night #1, receive answers Day #3). Your sources are great, and have access no cop could duplicate, but they move at their own pace.
When investigating others, remember that “innocents” include Townies and Dons, that “Criminal” includes some Townies as well as mafia Mades and Lucas. “Guilty” includes Mades and Wise Guys on the night of a kill as well as any Townie who has been involved in a killing. When you’ve identified a “guilty” target you may (60% if Made/Luca, 80% if Wise Guy, 100% if Townie) get additional evidence about other crimes or other data as well.

Special Note: You have one chance in 10 on each investigation to learn the exact role of the player investigated as well as the “normal” detective information above. This chance drops to 1 in 20 for identifying the Dons.

Getting Recruited:

What if a Mafioso seeks to recruit you? You can respond as you wish to such an offer. Your “shady” past will let you function as a Wise Guy at need. If recruited by a townie group, you can function as a normal townie – and sometimes use your special function as well. Beware – participation in either of these approaches has the potential to alter your role as noted above.
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Private Message: N1 Investigation Results 01-20-2007, 23:05 Seamus Fermanagh vbmenu_register("postmenu_", true);
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N1 Investigation Results

Beirut: Criminal, Made Gangster (Tataglia)
Banquo's Ghost: Innocent.

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Private Message: N2 Investigation Results 01-23-2007, 12:29 Seamus Fermanagh vbmenu_register("postmenu_", true);
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N2 Investigation Results

Luigi: Innocent



Moderator stuff.

Please append to info thread as per usual.

Having PM problem.

Here's what my box reads:

Welcome, Seamus Fermanagh.
You last visited: Today at 10:49
Private Messages: Unread 65534, Total 77.

Can you assist? I'll save what I need no later than 1300 EST.
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N3 Investigation Results

Dutch_guy: Innocent

doc_bean: Innocent


Please forward the summary sheet as appropriate, thanks.
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Let me bring you all things refined:
Galliards and lute songs served in chilling ale.
Greetings, well-met fellow; hail!
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When the just are triumphant, there is great jubilation; but when the wicked gain pre-eminence, people hide.
-- Proverbs 29:12

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

That is dangerously realistic. What is wrong with a simple copy and paste job? Why all the validity?

[The Stranger]

Warluster was in the killing group with me and before that he served in a protection group with me...

Hey, pevergreen, just to let you know it's not in your best interest to vote me. I know your not the detective now, so I figure you're mafia. Well I have one of the special roles, I can protect your subordinates from cop investigation. How about we work together?

Sasaki

Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Your Role: Don Corleone

You are the boss of a crime family, and your goal is to take over Fatlington and become the Capo de Tutti Capi (Captain of Captains). To do this, you will need to eliminate all of the other Dons and establish a crime family that outnumbers the remaining Mafiosi and citizens of the town.

Powers and Limitations:

Your death is part of the victory conditions for the other Dons, and will also severely limit your families chance of success as creating a new Don is time-consuming.

You will almost always appear innocent in investigations because, normally, the Don makes no moves him/herself – that’s what your family members are for!

You will choose some “signature” component that will feature in all of your family’s killings. This may be a consistent method, a symbol or calling card, or some other distinctive characteristic – but it must be used in each killing without exception. You must notify me of this characteristic with your first nighttime PM.

If you have no other family members left, you may perform one of the following once per night: a) attempt to kill one target, or b) attempt to investigate two other citizens. Your investigation will parallel those of a made and help you identify further possible recruits.

You, and only you from your family, are aware of a special “friend” of the Mafiosi of Fatlington – The Wolf. Though not a member of your family, this person can provide unusually effective protection once in a while making it easier for your Family to achieve success and harder for detectives to track you. This is not without a price however, as you then owe The Wolf a favor which he/she can collect when they see fit and which you MUST honor, unless it would involve attacking a member of your own family.

PM’s:

Each night you are still alive, PM me with instructions for your actions that night. These may be:

“Get some sleep” OR if solo “kill so-and-so” or “investigate so and so”

Investigations:

If investigated by a Detective or by a Made Gangster, you will almost certainly be discovered to be “innocent.” You will only register as “criminal” or “guilty” if you have personally participated in a killing.

Corleone Luca = GeneralHankerchief

Corleone Made = Major Robert Dump

The Wolf = Sasaki Kojiro

C'mon sasaki... you couldnt just have GUESSED that role existed... YOU KNEW... HOW!!!

TELL US HOW AND WHEN IT'S SATISFYING, YUR OF THE HOOK!

[Stig]

I still do not trust you Sasaki, however I do not change my vote.

Like someone would make that up

[The Stranger]

Sasaki Youre No Rogue Detective You Lying *******************

That's Not How Rogue Detective Results Look Like!!!!!!!!

You Got That Post From Someone Else, Don't Believe Him....

I'll Post A Sample Of A Rogue Detective's Investigations...

[The Stranger]

:P... that's how rogue detective investigations look like

but... you're still no rogue...

How did you know about The Wolf character...?

[The Stranger]

Now, I have to say, do NOT reveal me to the rest of the group, they may be mafia, because i have done a little trick, I have contacted pevergreen, and if he is mafia, I can get into the mafia, where I can give the group INSIDE info on them, no body suspects me so the plan is easy, plus I should do it because pevergreen knows you have accused him, so I'll stay low, get in to the mafia, give you inside info on who there attacking, and who they are, like it? But DONT TELL ANYONE!

]

oke. but you should contact someone else maybe... Pevergreen is about to die and hell rat on you to save his life. Contact someone else hear me. Also hes about to die so he cant help you that much.

after that he probably contacted Sasaki

[Sigurd]

Why is The Stranger still alive?
He is obviously a rouge player and we can't have that. Member of a killing group? Off with his head!!

Vote: The Stranger

I see the director job is up for grabs again..

Select: Sasaki

[The Stranger]

Lynch Tally
Proletariat - 2 (Omanes, HughTower)
doc bean - 1 (Moros)
Sasaki - 7 (The Stranger, Kagemusha,Warluster, Xiahou, CountArach, ByzantineKnight, Kommodus)
The Stranger - 2 (Orb, Sigurd)
Pannionian - 1 (Motep)
Motep - 2 (Pannonian, Crazed Rabbit)
Moros-1(JimBob)
Warluster- 1 (Sasaki)
Abstain - 2 (Cowhead418), Pindar
Director Tally
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Well, Well, Sigurd... Here to save Sasaki?

[Dutch_guy]

Hmm Sasaki's reveal does look real, the writing style looks similar to that of Seamus. And the lay out of the PM match that of the townie PM. Forging always remains a possibility, but it seems sincere, to me at least...

...I'm voting Motep, Sasaki is too valuable a player to lynch.

Tally, including Sigurd's addition:* TS beat me to it*

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Proletariat - 2 (Omanes, HughTower)
doc bean - 1 (Moros)
Sasaki - 7 (The Stranger, Kagemusha,Warluster, Xiahou, CountArach, ByzantineKnight, Kommodus)
The Stranger - 2 (Orb, Sigurd)
Pannionian - 1 (Motep)
Motep - 3 (Pannonian, Crazed Rabbit, Dutch)
Moros-1(JimBob)
Warluster- 1 (Sasaki)
Abstain - 2 (Cowhead418), Pindar

Also, having some sort of investigator at the head of things is a good thing, hence:
Select: Sasaki[/B].

[Andres]

Talking about The Stranger, allow me to quote myself:

And don't you go editing this post 1327:

I have the info of Krazilec form BKS, the info on Beirut from the detective. SO I guess I wasn't clear in my last post.

BKS and Sasaki (he got me connected with BKS, to be clear he's not he detective, just someone who knew about bks and linkd me trough) told me about this and can confirm this. Just like I can confirm that sasaki is pro town.
And Doc_bean, he will. So if he's still alive by then we'll now the awser next day (or is it the day after?) anyway we'll know it.

Compare the above to this:


The Stranger's case against Sasaki

TheStranger and Moros called themselves repeatedly "a team".

I say Moros was too quick and posted his typo before rereading. Now he comes with some cheap explanation like: "we are a team, but we disagree". And you post your disagreements freely in this thread? I can't believe that you are so stupid. We have some more of this jokes in this game: remember Kralizecs error which got Beirut killed?

But hey, I'm just an idiot, or should I say a Moro(s)n, so maybe somebody else can explain this very Strange contradictions to the town?

Edit: puns intended :)

The town never got an answer to this: your pm to me and my (much better then yours) translation

Add to that his annoying spamming to make valuable information "disappear". I most say, I never thought about that tactic... It's one that suits him very well

[Sigurd]

Well, Well, Sigurd... Here to save Sasaki?

Yes.. I can't let my Luca die now can I ? Who will be there to protect me when he is gone?

[Andres]

I always wondered TS, you seemed to have valuable information about Don pevergreen and Wolf Sasaki Kojiro.

Why did you post it after pevergreen died? Is it because there is no harm in giving away information about your deceased Don? Our Don is dead, might as well bring up some evidence against him to make us look innocent??

If you are not lying, Sasaki is a powerful character serving the mafia. Why did you keep that information for you just 'til now?

I don't understand this.

What I would understand is this: you leak information about your already dead Don (thnx to useful information af Big Bad Andres whom you needed to kill so bady) to make you look pro-townie + the accusations of Sasaki are based on fake evidence.

Why would a Don (pevergreen) play pro town? This is too illogical to be true.

[pevergreen]

Why would i play pro-town? Because me entire family is dead.

The Corelones are dead. We are no more.

Hey, pevergreen, just to let you know it's not in your best interest to vote me. I know your not the detective now, so I figure you're mafia. Well I have one of the special roles, I can protect your subordinates from cop investigation. How about we work together?

Sasaki

Hmm..

I know your not the detective now, so I figure you're mafia.

That intrigues me. When i logged in the morning of Day 1 (I woke up around 4 hours after the game started, the game started around 3 am) I had 3-5 pms.

1 was my role pm
1 was from sasaki... within ten minutes of the role pm's being sent
1 was from MRD or GH saying "Hello my don"etc
1-2 were from random people asking if i was townie.

The One from Sasaki..from memory

(Not exact wording)

"Hello Don Corlone, I am your wolf.

I can protect your luca and made from investigations, making them appear innocent, allowing you to pass unnoticed" and more random stuff.

But then after he knows im a don...i believe i told him that i deleted my day 1 pm's, and after that he never reffered to me as a don... Clearing himself.

Why would TS not put any of his infomation foward? Because i only gave it to him an hour or so before he posts it.

The chat were i revealed i was don and who my family members were was about 8 hours before i got lynched.

[Ituralde]

Let me just chime in with all the other people here, oggling at the huge number of posts generated by this game. But with four kills last night seems like the game's heating up. There really is just too much evidence and counter-evidence floating around to sift through it all and find out the forgery and missteps.

One thing that has been bothering me about Sasaki and no one has been commenting on was his vote on Moros. He did not give a reason for it at all, quite to the contrary he wrote the following in post 1349.

I know Moros is innocent. I believe TS to be as well, or at least I will once he admits he's been bamboozled by pevergreen.

(Emphasis added by me)

Then he suddenly changes his vote, which indicated clear Mafia behaviour to me and I was all set to jump on the Sasaki bandwagon that had formed. However his reveal looks very genuine to me. He posted everything he's got, how it should be done. Of course Sasaki as a player is experienced enough to pull off such a thing, but there's enough suspects that are as dangerous as Sasaki.

I'm gonna go with Motep just because of the evidence piled against him.

Vote: Motep
Select: Redleg

Don't know where that "Sasaki for Director" is coming from, but the only thing that will help him from getting lynched is changing votes. Ask Beirut how much his Director role helped him once the Mob arrived.

[The Stranger]

@Andres, but also the rest,

This must clear me for now.

When a mafia makes a kill, they leave a sign (hence the white glove) just check this, it's a part of the Don Role.

You will choose some “signature” component that will feature in all of your family’s killings. This may be a consistent method, a symbol or calling card, or some other distinctive characteristic – but it must be used in each killing without exception. You must notify me of this characteristic with your first nighttime PM.

I can prove that Moros, Warluster, Someone Else and I killed Andres.

Kill AndresTheCunning: Succes!

Each one of you is credited with one kill. Remember when investigated Townies will show "guilty"

Now, read the Narrative. Did our kill show a "signature"? Then we are not part of a family, though we could be Pro-Mafia... But I tried to lynch Pevergreen long before you guys... I killed Andres because he tried to set up a Mafia...

Would I really be Pro-Mafia?

[pevergreen]

I call Krailzec. If Krail says that he was in contact with Sasaki, then that proves Sasaki is criminal.

I also call the Living Don to the stand, same conditions. Reveal yourself

[Ituralde]

Just a quick note, that I don't support this self-justice system by The Stranger and his friends. If you have good reasons to kill someone get him lynched and offer us your evidence. The whole self-justice thing is just wide open to abuse and I will not trust it, nor will I ever count it in your favour when I have to consider whether you're pro-Town or pro-Mafia.

Cheers!

Ituralde

[The Stranger]

Here ya go Pever, Evidence that he contacted Kralizec.

I told him some story about us working together and he went for it. I'm trying the same thing on Kralizec so don't post this in thread. Sent this to Ichigo days ago to show him pever was guilty.

Sasaki

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Your Role: Don Corleone

You are the boss of a crime family, and your goal is to take over Fatlington and become the Capo de Tutti Capi (Captain of Captains). To do this, you will need to eliminate all of the other Dons and establish a crime family that outnumbers the remaining Mafiosi and citizens of the town.

Powers and Limitations:

Your death is part of the victory conditions for the other Dons, and will also severely limit your families chance of success as creating a new Don is time-consuming.

You will almost always appear innocent in investigations because, normally, the Don makes no moves him/herself – that’s what your family members are for!

You will choose some “signature” component that will feature in all of your family’s killings. This may be a consistent method, a symbol or calling card, or some other distinctive characteristic – but it must be used in each killing without exception. You must notify me of this characteristic with your first nighttime PM.

If you have no other family members left, you may perform one of the following once per night: a) attempt to kill one target, or b) attempt to investigate two other citizens. Your investigation will parallel those of a made and help you identify further possible recruits.

You, and only you from your family, are aware of a special “friend” of the Mafiosi of Fatlington – The Wolf. Though not a member of your family, this person can provide unusually effective protection once in a while making it easier for your Family to achieve success and harder for detectives to track you. This is not without a price however, as you then owe The Wolf a favor which he/she can collect when they see fit and which you MUST honor, unless it would involve attacking a member of your own family.

PM’s:

Each night you are still alive, PM me with instructions for your actions that night. These may be:

“Get some sleep” OR if solo “kill so-and-so” or “investigate so and so”

Investigations:

If investigated by a Detective or by a Made Gangster, you will almost certainly be discovered to be “innocent.” You will only register as “criminal” or “guilty” if you have personally participated in a killing.

Corleone Luca = GeneralHankerchief

Corleone Made = Major Robert Dump

The Wolf = Sasaki Kojiro

C'mon sasaki... you couldnt just have GUESSED that role existed... YOU KNEW... HOW!!!

TELL US HOW AND WHEN IT'S SATISFYING, YUR OF THE HOOK!

[pevergreen]

That proves it to me.

But Krailzec still needs to say it himself.

[Pannonian]

Just a quick note, that I don't support this self-justice system by The Stranger and his friends. If you have good reasons to kill someone get him lynched and offer us your evidence. The whole self-justice thing is just wide open to abuse and I will not trust it, nor will I ever count it in your favour when I have to consider whether you're pro-Town or pro-Mafia.

Cheers!

Ituralde

For one thing, it messes up detective investigations.

Investigation: Criminal
Excuse: I'm a wise guy

Investigation: Guilty
Excuse: I was part of the group that killed MRD/GH/Andres, etc.

Investigation: Innocent
Interjection: Ha! That means you're a Don!

What TS and co are doing may be coincidentally useful to the town, but on a logical level it harms the town's chances, as it means no amount of reasoning and discussion can work due to the massive foul up in the townie system provided by the rules. If TS wanted Andres dead, all he had to do was wait a few rounds and he'd have been inevitably lynched given the bandwagon against him. Instead, he's gang-killed the easy lynch target but left the difficult one alone until I took the lead against Sasaki. For that reason, TS and the other members of successful night-kill groups must die, if only to clear the system for the detectives and FBI agent. Therefore I call on The_Stranger to reveal who the successful night-kill mobs are - we don't need the unsuccessful ones since they won't affect detective investigations - so we can eliminate them from the system.

However, I'm still gunning for Motep next round, as I think his behaviour is classically mafia, and a strong suspect ranks above a rogue townie mob on my lynch list.

[Andres]

C'mon sasaki... you couldnt just have GUESSED that role existed... YOU KNEW... HOW!!!

TELL US HOW AND WHEN IT'S SATISFYING, YUR OF THE HOOK!

I don't recall Sasaki mentioning the special "Wolf" role...

He only reveald himself as "a rogue detective". He never used the term "Wolf". You were the first to use that word in this thread.