Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[Stig]

Stig, Sir Boo and Sir Moody probably refused to join the White Glove Mafia.

False, I had only 2 contacts. One who I trusted, and you.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Lies + attempt to lynch = plot. Simple.

Having not played any of the other games your comments about other games are not relative to any discussion between you and me concerning this particlur scenerio. Again your attempting a weak hand.

In your original claim against me, you were not aware of past games, and so your position was not suspicious. Now you are aware however, and you have kept on at the same thing. Relating someone's behavior to their behavior in past games is one of the mainstays of the mafia hunters arsenal. Accept it.

I see you have a new accusation for me now. I'm "cheating" by using moderator powers. You sound upset and a little fearful at having been caught out on this. If I go to check who's online to see if the person I've pm'd is there, I see stuff. For example, I saw you check who's online as well. Don't be hypocritical.

I find it very significant that you haven't used your "evidence" from your giant post in this latest. Instead it's the already refuted evidence from before and a new accusation of "using moderator powers" which you fail to explain as suspicious. Why are you complaining about me using moderator powers to reveal someone with a double account?

[Redleg]

Lies + attempt to lynch = plot. Simple.

Plot to find truth using deception on those that wanted to lynch you. Rather simple isn't. Can you not handle a little investigation to determine your honesty?

In your original claim against me, you were not aware of past games, and so your position was not suspicious. Now you are aware however, and you have kept on at the same thing. Relating someone's behavior to their behavior in past games is one of the mainstays of the mafia hunters arsenal. Accept it.

Accept the fact that I have not read any of the other games - nor will I. YOur attempt here is ir-revalent

I see you have a new accusation for me now. I'm "cheating" by using moderator powers. You sound upset and a little fearful at having been caught out on this. If I go to check who's online to see if the person I've pm'd is there, I see stuff. For example, I saw you check who's online as well. Don't be hypocritical.

Tsk tsk - that is not what you stated in your PM - you clearly stated that I was PMing luigi you sir are caught in a lie once again.

I find it very significant that you haven't used your "evidence" from your giant post in this latest. Instead it's the already refuted evidence from before and a new accusation of "using moderator powers" which you fail to explain as suspicious. Why are you complaining about me using moderator powers to reveal someone with a double account?

No use to use the old post since you have not addressed any of it. Rather simple.

But don't worry Sasaki someone sent me a screenshot yesterday, and I have informed Seamus and I await his judgement. I don't cheat nor do I like those that feel the need to cheat to win a simple game. Call it a personality flaw of mine.

[HughTower]

@Hughtower

address your concerns with Sasaki and ask him why he was so neverous that me and luigi were discussing things via PM to each other? And then simply ask him how he knew that we were PMing each other?

@ Sasaki - how do you know Redleg & Luigi were Pming each other?

@ Redleg - what is your evidence against Pannionian?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Plot to find truth using deception on those that wanted to lynch you. Rather simple isn't. Can you not handle a little investigation to determine your honesty?

Your attempt is not genuine.

Accept the fact that I have not read any of the other games - nor will I. YOur attempt here is ir-revalent

This shows your attempt is not genuine. If you actually cared about discovering things about me you would have done your research.

Tsk tsk - that is not what you stated in your PM - you clearly stated that I was PMing luigi you sir are caught in a lie once again.

I saw you pm'ing luigi. I said in this very thread that I saw you pm'ing luigi. Where is the lie? You're just getting desperate now. Your gamble didn't pay off.

No use to use the old post since you have not addressed any of it. Rather simple.

I have indeed addressed it. I see this is going nowhere.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Come on, Wolf.

Who's going to be your patsy this time? I'm dying to find out. Will you claim that Pannonian is the don? Redleg? The Stranger? Me?
Will you go after some poor schmuck like Motep again?

Or are you to busy sending rushed PMs to your Barzini family now? Trying to find excuses you can send them for your monumental cock-up?

Yes! I was so hoping you'd choose me as your patsy.

Oh wait, did I say monumental cock-up?

Now, to go from statements of my innocence made yesterday to "sasaki is guilty" said today by luigi, would require substantial evidence...if he were town. There isn't substantial evidence, so it seems more likely he is mafia. If he really has been convinced by that then he is less perceptive than his other posts indicate.

If I'm town, Sasaki? IF i'm town?

What about your investigation results then? The ones you posted with your forged rogue detective role description?

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Luigi: Innocent



Moderator stuff.

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Having PM problem.

Here's what my box reads:

Welcome, Seamus Fermanagh.
You last visited: Today at 10:49
Private Messages: Unread 65534, Total 77.

Can you assist? I'll save what I need no later than 1300 EST.

Hang on, I'm not going to spill my evidence here yet. I'm just going to sit here, taunt you and wait for mistakes in your replies...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

@ Sasaki - how do you know Redleg & Luigi were Pming each other?

In who's online. Normal members could see:

"Redleg-private messaging"
and
"luigi-private messaging"

I see:

"Redleg-creating private message luigi"
"luigi-viewing private message Redleg"

Now, redleg has hypocritically accused me of cheating here. But the fact is: he has been in "who's online" as well, and even without moderator abilities it is easy to deduce that he and luigi were pm'ing eachother (especially given the pm he accidently sent to me). I can't turn the extra information off.

He has also claimed going in to who's online makes me guilty, which I guess is a claim that he himself is guilty. In the past, only towns have gained information from who's online (Redleg will dismiss this sentence as irrelevant I'm sure). The fact that he is upset enough at being seen pm'ing luigi to make little insults suggests that he has reason for not wanting this fact revealed.

edit: I forgot about invisibility mode. They may have been using that.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Don's turn up innocent, don't be tiresome luigi. You're smarter than that.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Don's turn up innocent, don't be tiresome luigi. You're smarter than that.

Yes Sasaki. I knew you'd claim I could be / probably am the don in your next post. In fact, this post of mine was written ages ago, that's why I can respond so quickly.

See, If I'm really the Don of the last family, and you had just revealed yourself as a rogue town detective, then I would have had the town lynch you, wouldn't I?

Remember I only stepped in in the last minute? When you were this close to being hanged? The tally was Sasaki 5, TS 5, Motep 3. I could've posted some rubbish about you, voted you, and you'd been history. With nothing tracing to me. That I was silly enough to save you proves I'm not a don. I'm not that uncunning.

It's simple, if I was a don, I wouldn't have posted what I did. That is completely nonsensical.


Remember our PM conversation we had yesterday? :

-maybe you would. I think your town, I'm just sayin.
-list is in the reveal post
-cool
-Sigurd we shall see about. Warluster I'm waiting on information about. Motep is suspicious but mainly a save myself vote.
-understood
-good idea, when I have the time.

Sasaki

After pevergreen turned up mafia I'm paranoid about moles in the network. My plan is to See who gets wrath of godded. If there are people who don't get WoG'd but hardly have any posts, it means they have been pming him. Would be prime candidates for mafia lurkers. Xiahou in particular I noticed, he had 2 posts in the thread before I said that about the lurkers and then he has 2 posts voting me :/

Innocent doesn't mean you aren't a godfather though. Meh. I'm cautious as a matter of principle.

Sasaki

- If I'm a don I would've had you lynched of course. Take that as both a compliment and as proof of my innocence.
You're underestimating either your reputation or my cunningness here.

Will you send me a list of all the people you've investigated thus far then? This will prevent me from making costly mistakes...

- I agree with your plan about lurkers.

- Did you and Sigurd make up? What's the deal with Warluster?

- Sorry I posted so late in the thread, my delay made Moros post your detective role. But I was dealing with Pever first, extracting information. Not to mention there's also real-life.

- Moderation tip: in the other thread, can you pre-clude Seamus' write-ups with a bolded post #?
Should help navigating the thread, it let's people know where to look, from where to read.

Hang on, I'm not going to spill my evidence here yet. I'm just going to sit here, taunt you and wait for mistakes in your replies. This PM of yours made me suspicious of you. Want to know why?

[HughTower]

Yes! I was so hoping you'd choose me as your patsy.

Oh wait, did I say monumental cock-up?



If I'm town, Sasaki? IF i'm town?

What about your investigation results then? The ones you posted with your forged rogue detective role description?



Hang on, I'm not going to spill my evidence here yet. I'm just going to sit here, taunt you and wait for mistakes in your replies...

Luigi - in Sasaki's defence, Dons will show up as innocent. Not that I have any evidence to suggest that you are a Don.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

@luigi-wifom

[Redleg]

I need to comply with a message from [b]Seamus[b] concerning a screenshot that was sent to me. For now I will just leave my case on its own merits. I await the host's judgement.

[HughTower]

In who's online. Normal members could see:

"Redleg-private messaging"
and
"luigi-private messaging"

I see:

"Redleg-creating private message luigi"
"luigi-viewing private message Redleg"

edit: I forgot about invisibility mode. They may have been using that.

@Sasaki - Thank you for replying. But, you're not online according to the 'Who's Online' page now? Redleg's not invisible. Luigi's defence about not lynching you is plausible.

@luigi- your defence does make sense, but does not incriminate Sasaki necessarily. What is clear to you might not be so to him. He's reacting in the most part to allegations from Redleg which you seem to support - that's all. Did you not find his role PM credible?

@ Redleg - any chance of an answer to my question?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

@Sasaki - Thank you for replying. But, you're not online according to the 'Who's Online' page now? Redleg's not invisible.

Yes, I do have an unfair advantage. But it's not fair to accuse me of cheating. I can't read threads without seeing who is using invisible mode, and I can't go into "who's online" without seeing details about who is pm'ing who.

[Redleg]

@ Redleg - any chance of an answer to my question?

Not yet. But its in the thread if you wish to review it.

[Crazed Rabbit]

@ Hughtower:

@Crazed Rabbit - this is a response from about 5 pages back to a couple of points you made or asked of me:

1. Re: my pursuit of Proletariat, I'm not aware that Ichigo has admitted to protecting (or is it trying to kill) Proletariat on N1 - can she confirm this? If so, fulsome apologies & bouquets of virtual flowers shall ensue.

Ichigo has admitted, several times, that he tried to kill Proletariat in order to infiltrate the mafia. He also revealed the PM, from Andres the Cunning, which almost got a non-playing person lynched. This was in the first round of voting to lynch somebody, and got Kralizec (Actual writer of those PMs, as it turns out) lynched.

2. Re: Pannionian's double suicide request. I am not a detective, just a townie. It was an empty promise/offer that he knew no-one would/should accept, which is why he was safe to make it. It was this tactic, plus the PM from MRD he revealed that made him appear so suspicious.

Good point.

address your concerns with Sasaki and ask him why he was so neverous that me and luigi were discussing things via PM to each other?

Well, it seems he was right to be suspicious - you guys are trying to get him lynched, rightly or wrongly.

CR

[HughTower]

Yes, I do have an unfair advantage. But it's not fair to accuse me of cheating. I can't read threads without seeing who is using invisible mode, and I can't go into "who's online" without seeing details about who is pm'ing who.

The other mods said that they would turn their invisibility off so as to negate that advantage. Your answer to Ichigo's request that you do the same was this:

As I can see through your invisibility, I'm going to leave mine on to gain an unfair advantage

I presumed you were joking. The bouncey fella suggested as much.

As for going into 'Who's Online', perhaps, you should show some restraint & not do that. If you have Mod privileges, maybe you should treat them as such, & not abuse them. It may not be out & out cheating, but it's certainly a large & unfair advantage, & therefore using it is against the spirit of the game.

If Seamus agrees, can we have that stipulated & Sasaki asked to comply?

That said, it is not proof at all of his mafia-ness. I still find his role reveal very credible, & that this squabbling is only abetting the mafia cause.

Think (as you & Luigi discussed) lurker! Lynch lurker! Win game!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I can agree to that. I didn't know people had a problem with it, you can't actually identify mafia with it in this game since everyone is pm'ing anyway. I don't know why Redleg is making such a big deal out of it.

[HughTower]

@ Hughtower:

Ichigo has admitted, several times, that he tried to kill Proletariat in order to infiltrate the mafia. He also revealed the PM, from Andres the Cunning, which almost got a non-playing person lynched. This was in the first round of voting to lynch somebody, and got Kralizec (Actual writer of those PMs, as it turns out) lynched.

CR

And did he perform this with a killing team? Seamus' description had Prole protected by someone. With theRTWGuru, there was no protector in the narrative.

My point then is- was she not killed because she was protected, or because Ichigo's group wasn't large enough etc.? If protected, by whom?

[The Stranger]

@Redleg, I can't be a mafia because if I would be one I'd left a sign when I killed Andres. Also when I'd be working for the mafia of Kralizec why did I posted in the thread before the Autopsy that he and Pevergreen were a Don.

[HughTower]

I can agree to that. I didn't know people had a problem with it, you can't actually identify mafia with it in this game since everyone is pm'ing anyway. I don't know why Redleg is making such a big deal out of it.

Probably because if you're new to this game like he is, then he thinks that PM's are exactly that - private. Why on earth would anyone go to the 'Who's Online' page? I empathise with him wholeheartedly.

Also, knowing who people are talking to is crucial. If you saw me PMing a known/suspected Mafia member, then you'd want to know why.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Probably because if you're new to this game like he is, then he thinks that PM's are exactly that - private. Why on earth would anyone go to the 'Who's Online' page? I empathise with him wholeheartedly.

Also, knowing who people are talking to is crucial. If you saw me PMing a known/suspected Mafia member, then you'd want to know why.

I'd sent a pm and wanted to know if I should stick around for a reply or go take a shower.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Did you not find his role PM credible?

No, I didn't. I was going to bring it up at some point, but I'll indulge you.

Here is the forged role-description, in this post:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Right, I have to go to bed and have no desire to wake up lynched. I urge you all to vote for Warluster or Motep. Congratulations pevergreen, you've forced me to reveal:



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CDTC: Your Role

Your Role: Rogue Detective

As with any pro-townie role, your basic mode for success is to vote to lynch Mafiosi, eventually removing the mafia threat from Fatlington and creating a town win. You’re not too worried about playing by the rules, however. In the style of Mike Hammer/Sam Spade, you are more than willing to dispense justice as needed with the help of “Betsy” (your Colt Model 1911 .45 ACP, hand loaded cartridges with dum-dums and armor piercing in a 2-1 ratio—and yes you always carry a full clip and one in the tube). On odd-numbered nights you may investigate up to 2 people. On even-numbered nights, you may attempt to kill anyone whom you have learned to be “guilty” or “criminal” in your investigations. If you give up this kill option, you may investigate 1 additional person on that even-numbered night phase.

Role Changing:

At your discretion, however, this role can change. This will take time, effort, and coordination with other townies. If you:

Combine with 2 Independent Wise Guys or 1 Made/Family Wise Guy to attempt a killing. 3 successful killings and the permission of the family Don and you become a Made member of that family (losing your Rogue Detective status).

Combine with 3 other townies you can attempt to kill one target per night (after two successful hits, you will become a Wise Guy (losing your Rogue Detective status).

Combine with 2 other townies you can attempt to protect one target per night (after two successful protections, one of you may become a “Doctor “ losing your Rogue Detective status).

Creating these combinations is up to you however, and you will have to work out your own deals/contracts/arrangements for forming such a combo with the other players.

PM’s:

Each night you are still alive, PM me with instructions for your actions that night. These may be:

“Get some sleep” “Investigate so-and-so” “ Kill so-and-so” “Protect so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…” or “kill so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…”

Warning: if the requisite number of townies is NOT available, the protection/kill effort will almost certainly fail. If a townie attempts a kill/protection solo, the effort will certainly fail, and there will be at least one chance in three that the townie will perish in the attempt.

Investigations:

You will always register as “criminal” if investigated. When investigating others, your information will be significantly delayed – but much more accurate – then a regular detective. Rather then receiving your information at the conclusion of the night phase (when the regular detective gets their answer), you will receive yours at the beginning of the 2nd DAY phase following the investigation (e.g. investigate night #1, receive answers Day #3). Your sources are great, and have access no cop could duplicate, but they move at their own pace.
When investigating others, remember that “innocents” include Townies and Dons, that “Criminal” includes some Townies as well as mafia Mades and Lucas. “Guilty” includes Mades and Wise Guys on the night of a kill as well as any Townie who has been involved in a killing. When you’ve identified a “guilty” target you may (60% if Made/Luca, 80% if Wise Guy, 100% if Townie) get additional evidence about other crimes or other data as well.

Special Note: You have one chance in 10 on each investigation to learn the exact role of the player investigated as well as the “normal” detective information above. This chance drops to 1 in 20 for identifying the Dons.

Getting Recruited:

What if a Mafioso seeks to recruit you? You can respond as you wish to such an offer. Your “shady” past will let you function as a Wise Guy at need. If recruited by a townie group, you can function as a normal townie – and sometimes use your special function as well. Beware – participation in either of these approaches has the potential to alter your role as noted above.
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N1 Investigation Results

Beirut: Criminal, Made Gangster (Tataglia)
Banquo's Ghost: Innocent.

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N2 Investigation Results

Luigi: Innocent



Moderator stuff.

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Having PM problem.

Here's what my box reads:

Welcome, Seamus Fermanagh.
You last visited: Today at 10:49
Private Messages: Unread 65534, Total 77.

Can you assist? I'll save what I need no later than 1300 EST.
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N3 Investigation Results

Dutch_guy: Innocent

doc_bean: Innocent


Please forward the summary sheet as appropriate, thanks.
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'On odd-numbered nights you may investigate up to 2 people. On even-numbered nights, you may attempt to kill anyone whom you have learned to be “guilty” or “criminal” in your investigations. If you give up this kill option, you may investigate 1 additional person on that even-numbered night phase.'
- It says '1 additional person'. That's two or three persons then. It doesn't say '1 person on odd-nights'.

Yet Sasaki only posts results for either two or one persons. Not two or three. This means the role description doesn't fit with results he posts. Oh well...it IS lot of work, forging a role-PM. Can't pay attention to every little detail.
Or he has been withholding investigation results, something which he didn't tell in thread. And which Moros and BKS no doubt won't be pleased about. For a town detective, Sasaki is not very forthcoming, not even to those he trusted with destroying the two families he doesn't work for...

- There's more. Remember I ran that 'AndresTheCunning PM' through a text comparison program, revealing Kralizec? Well, I ran the first forged bit of it through it also, comparing it with Sasaki's And Seamus' writing styles. Well bingo!

- There are too many details in the write-up to the role description too. Always a tell-tale sign of deceit. Throw in some trivial details to make your story convincing.
'In the style of Mike Hammer/Sam Spade, you are more than willing to dispense justice as needed with the help of “Betsy” (your Colt Model 1911 .45 ACP, hand loaded cartridges with dum-dums and armor piercing in a 2-1 ratio—and yes you always carry a full clip and one in the tube). '
None of the other role-descriptions have this sort of narrative writing in it - check your own. It completely contradicts Seamus' concise, succinct tone in all the other role-PMs

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I think the english as a second language thing is hurting you here luigi. The description is ambigous, but I clarified with Seamus and it means one person on that night phase. Here:

Odd numbered nights:
Investigate: 2
Kill: 0

Even numbered nights:
Investigate: 0
kill: 1

or no kill and +1 investigation

Investigate: 1
kill: 0



Writing style programs are bugged. How many other people did you check with the same bit?

What makse you think none of the other role-descriptions have that much description? You say you've seen all of them?


I can however see how that would convince you if you were a townie. But if you're townie how have you seen all the other pm's?

[The Stranger]

Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Your Role: Don Corleone

You are the boss of a crime family, and your goal is to take over Fatlington and become the Capo de Tutti Capi (Captain of Captains). To do this, you will need to eliminate all of the other Dons and establish a crime family that outnumbers the remaining Mafiosi and citizens of the town.

Powers and Limitations:

Your death is part of the victory conditions for the other Dons, and will also severely limit your families chance of success as creating a new Don is time-consuming.

You will almost always appear innocent in investigations because, normally, the Don makes no moves him/herself – that’s what your family members are for!

You will choose some “signature” component that will feature in all of your family’s killings. This may be a consistent method, a symbol or calling card, or some other distinctive characteristic – but it must be used in each killing without exception. You must notify me of this characteristic with your first nighttime PM.

If you have no other family members left, you may perform one of the following once per night: a) attempt to kill one target, or b) attempt to investigate two other citizens. Your investigation will parallel those of a made and help you identify further possible recruits.

You, and only you from your family, are aware of a special “friend” of the Mafiosi of Fatlington – The Wolf. Though not a member of your family, this person can provide unusually effective protection once in a while making it easier for your Family to achieve success and harder for detectives to track you. This is not without a price however, as you then owe The Wolf a favor which he/she can collect when they see fit and which you MUST honor, unless it would involve attacking a member of your own family.

PM’s:

Each night you are still alive, PM me with instructions for your actions that night. These may be:

“Get some sleep” OR if solo “kill so-and-so” or “investigate so and so”

Investigations:

If investigated by a Detective or by a Made Gangster, you will almost certainly be discovered to be “innocent.” You will only register as “criminal” or “guilty” if you have personally participated in a killing.

Corleone Luca = GeneralHankerchief

Corleone Made = Major Robert Dump

The Wolf = Sasaki Kojiro

Hey, pevergreen, just to let you know it's not in your best interest to vote me. I know your not the detective now, so I figure you're mafia. Well I have one of the special roles, I can protect your subordinates from cop investigation. How about we work together?

Sasaki

You still haven't answered my question... HOW COULD YOU HAVE GUESSED/KNOWN SUCH A ROLE EXISTED...

3 times... I've asked... 3 times youve refused to answer...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You still haven't answered my question... HOW COULD YOU HAVE GUESSED/KNOWN SUCH A ROLE EXISTED...

3 times... I've asked... 3 times youve refused to answer...

I pm'd you the answer ages ago. Behold;

Your Role: Don Corleone

You are the boss of a crime family, and your goal is to take over Fatlington and become the Capo de Tutti Capi (Captain of Captains). To do this, you will need to eliminate all of the other Dons and establish a crime family that outnumbers the remaining Mafiosi and citizens of the town.

Powers and Limitations:

Your death is part of the victory conditions for the other Dons, and will also severely limit your families chance of success as creating a new Don is time-consuming.

You will almost always appear innocent in investigations because, normally, the Don makes no moves him/herself – that’s what your family members are for!

You will choose some “signature” component that will feature in all of your family’s killings. This may be a consistent method, a symbol or calling card, or some other distinctive characteristic – but it must be used in each killing without exception. You must notify me of this characteristic with your first nighttime PM.

If you have no other family members left, you may perform one of the following once per night: a) attempt to kill one target, or b) attempt to investigate two other citizens. Your investigation will parallel those of a made and help you identify further possible recruits.

You, and only you from your family, are aware of a special “friend” of the Mafiosi of Fatlington – The Wolf. Though not a member of your family, this person can provide which make it easier for your Family to achieve success. This is not without a price however, as you then owe The Wolf a favor which he/she can collect when they see fit and which you MUST honor, unless it would involve attacking a member of your own family.

PM’s:

Each night you are still alive, PM me with instructions for your actions that night. These may be:

“Get some sleep” OR if solo “kill so-and-so” or “investigate so and so”

Investigations:

If investigated by a Detective or by a Made Gangster, you will almost certainly be discovered to be “innocent.” You will only register as “criminal” or “guilty” if you have personally participated in a killing.

Corleone Luca = GeneralHankerchief

Corleone Made = Major Robert Dump

The Wolf = Blah blah whatever

See how easy it is?

[HughTower]

I'd sent a pm and wanted to know if I should stick around for a reply or go take a shower.

I was being rhetorical! But great answer....!

'On odd-numbered nights you may investigate up to 2 people. On even-numbered nights, you may attempt to kill anyone whom you have learned to be “guilty” or “criminal” in your investigations. If you give up this kill option, you may investigate 1 additional person on that even-numbered night phase.'
- It says '1 additional person'. That's two or three persons then. It doesn't say '1 person on odd-nights'.

That's one reading of it. When I read it, it's just if he chooses not to kill on the odd night, he can investigate one person instead. That's why he's rogue - investigate 2 people Night 1, if he finds a criminal, he kills on Night 2 etc...

Anyway must go now. Laters.

[The Stranger]

Sasaki... I doubt Pevergreen would make up a paragraph, with names and such, don't you think... It doesn't even looks like Pevers writing and is just the same as Seamus' handwriting...

[Louis VI the Fat]

Okay, so what's the deal with Sasaki?

Well, he has a special role, he can investigate stuff and he can kill at will and he can select the pope and he's a double-login of TosaInu and...
Sorry 'bout that. Here it is:

Sasaki is the Wolf after all.

You, and only you from your family, are aware of a special “friend” of the Mafiosi of Fatlington – The Wolf. Though not a member of your family, this person can provide unusually effective protection once in a while making it easier for your Family to achieve success and harder for detectives to track you. This is not without a price however, as you then owe The Wolf a favor which he/she can collect when they see fit and which you MUST honor, unless it would involve attacking a member of your own family.

PM’s:

Each night you are still alive, PM me with instructions for your actions that night. These may be:

“Get some sleep” OR if solo “kill so-and-so” or “investigate so and so”

Investigations:

If investigated by a Detective or by a Made Gangster, you will almost certainly be discovered to be “innocent.” You will only register as “criminal” or “guilty” if you have personally participated in a killing.

Corleone Luca = GeneralHankerchief

Corleone Made = Major Robert Dump

The Wolf = Sasaki Kojiro

The wolf can choose his allegiance to any mafia family. Sasaki has used this advantage to first kill off the families of Corleone (Pevergreen, MRD, GH) and Tataglia (Kralizec, Beirut). He in fact works for the family Barzini - the infamous 'white gloves'.

He has pretended to be a pro-town detective, slipping information to his patsies. Amongst which, BKS, Moros, me. Who knows who else. But: the only information he ever shared was about these two families. In fact, most of the information about them came from Sasaki.

Yet, nothing is known to us about the third family - Sasaki, our 'rogue detective' has carefully hid all information about them from the townies he used to kill two families.

He double-crossed both the town and the families of Corleone and Tataglia. Telling each he worked for them. We now have the 'Wolf' of the last remaining family for a director, with lots of information about the town. God help us all.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

That pm is changed by pevergreen to incorporate the role I pretend to have. Look, if you are trying to get info from a don what role would you make up? A special mafia role, naturally. But you want his subordinates names. So you invent a role that can "protect his mafia from detectives". Why would I, if I was the wolf, pretend to have my actual role? Isn't that a little obvious?

And luigi, killing of the other families is a terrible plan for the wolf character you've have layed out. With all the townies there are in the town there is no way for the mafia to win if two of the three families are wiped out in the first couple rounds.

I still can't believe you guys trust pevergreen on this. It's been shown that he fabricated pm's (the working for pannonian pm). Why would you believe that pm when all he had to do was change a few words?