Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[Moros]

I can't follow the thread that well anymore as I have less time as at the start, bloody school. One thing I don't understand is why sasaki and TS are still being suspected, multiple times have we said the opposite and defended ourselves, with proves and logic. I just don't understand you guys. But I can't keep defending them if it doesn't help. Luckily I'll have time again Monday. If I miss something special or am needed for a question, please e-mail me. (as my pm inbox probably will be full otherwise.)
I have no suspect for the moment so:
vote: abstain

[Proletariat]

Good point. I'dve voted: Sasaki thanks to Arach's argument, if this hadn't been pointed out. It doesn't matter how many times Seamus has posted, everytime the PM is looked at it will have his latest post count, check your PMs to see that.

Pannonian has the only uncluttered reasoning at the moment, although I'm still somewhat suspicious of him for the double-suicide thing. For now I'll go along with him

Vote: The Stranger

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Sasaki - 1 (Redleg)
Redleg - 2 (Orb, Sasaki)
The Stranger - 2 (Pannonian, Prole)
Abstain - 1 (Omanes)

[Pannonian]

Vote tally as of #1652.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Sasaki - 1 (Redleg)
Redleg - 3 (Orb, Sasaki, Crazed Rabbit)
The Stranger - 2 (Pannonian, Prole)
Abstain - 2 (Omanes, Moros)

[Moros]

wrong tally:
Sasaki - 1 (Redleg)
Redleg - 3 (Orb, Sasaki, Crazed Rabbit)
The Stranger - 2 (Pannonian, prole)
Abstain - 2 (Omanes, Moros)

[Kagemusha]

Vote Sasaki

[Moros]

why can noone update the tally!? sigh.
Sasaki - 2 (Redleg, Kage)
Redleg - 3 (Orb, Sasaki, Crazed Rabbit)
The Stranger - 2 (Pannonian, prole)
Abstain - 2 (Omanes, Moros)

[Kralizec]

why can noone update the tally!? sigh.

Because they have you to do it for them

[JimBob]

The only people who have made a clear argument so far are Sasaki and Pannonian. TS's story changes as more information is posted. And Redleg's argument is highly circumstantial.

TS seems more guilty, right now Red seems misguided. Tie them and let Sasaki double lynch them. When the investigations come back we can lynch Sasaki or not.

Vote: The Stranger

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Sasaki - 2 (Redleg, Kage)
Redleg - 3 (Orb, Sasaki, Crazed Rabbit)
The Stranger - 3 (Pannonian, prole, JimBob)
Abstain - 2 (Omanes, Moros)

[HughTower]

Right, I see we're still trying to fight about whether to kill Sasaki or Redleg. Brilliant. If I was a Mafia Don (Don Barzini, is it?) I'd be making as much noise as I could right now, just to draw attention to myself.

Re: Pannionian - pevergreen was/is a Don. He must have been the worst Don in the history of Mafia games because he couldn't control his urge to be involved & to be as clever as possible at all times. I no longer believe you are the Don I thought you to be. If I caused you inconvience, then accept my apologies. But why are you trying to lynch The Stranger? He lynched 1 person, who was a wiseguy, and he's admitted it. He's clearly a conduit for a detective. He's irritating, a law unto himself, but you wanted a double suicide to prive your innocence. Lynching him is a waste - pick a lurker surely surely surely.

@ Ichigo - what was your role in the attempted kill on Prole? How big a group was it? Of which roles?

What's Xiahou's role here? Or Masy? Or Papewaio? Speak to us - why are you lurking? If you've got a pro-town role, PM it to Ichigo (or a townie you trust) & let him deal with it.

THE PICK-A-LURKER BANDWAGON STARTS HERE

Vote: Xiahou

[Csargo]

@ Ichigo - what was your role in the attempted kill on Prole? How big a group was it? Of which roles?


Vote: Xiahou[/B]

Role? I was a townie. Three people. As far as I know they were all townies. But I'm suspicious of CountArach cause his name was given to me by pevergreen. The other person was Motep who I thought was a townie we'll find out whether he was in another night.

[CountArach]

Role? I was a townie. Three people. As far as I know they were all townies. But I'm suspicious of CountArach cause his name was given to me by pevergreen. The other person was Motep who I thought was a townie we'll find out whether he was in another night.

I was never in contact with Pevergreen, only Motep, and I was just pretending to go along with him. That's why no kill would've worked with that group.

[HughTower]

@Ichigo

And what message did you get back from Seamus about the result of your attempt?

[Csargo]

I was never in contact with Pevergreen, only Motep, and I was just pretending to go along with him. That's why no kill would've worked with that group.

Oops my bad your right.

@Hugh: It failed obviously.

[Pannonian]

What's Xiahou's role here? Or Masy? Or Papewaio? Speak to us - why are you lurking? If you've got a pro-town role, PM it to Ichigo (or a townie you trust) & let him deal with it.

THE PICK-A-LURKER BANDWAGON STARTS HERE

Vote: Xiahou

Xiahou was heavily occupied in Graffiti Mafia, in which he was the sole remaining mafioso for much of the game. Give him a chance to recover before increasing his participation in this one.

[Warluster]

Sasaki still hasn't earnt my trust, even though he says he is a rogue detective, I see no reason for him to reveal it like that so-

Vote:Sasaki

Sasaki - 3 (Redleg, Kage,Warluster)
Redleg - 3 (Orb, Sasaki, Crazed Rabbit)
The Stranger - 3 (Pannonian, prole, JimBob)
Abstain - 2 (Omanes, Moros)

Sasaki lashed out at people who were trying to help and he didn't reveal certian info.

I haven't heard the case about Redleg (I am still reading something like 4 pages back, this thread is massive!)

And TS? What has he done suspicous, what has he done wrong? His story seems good enough to prove him Innocent, so i believe him innocent.

[HughTower]

@Hugh: It failed obviously.

Obviously. What I meant, was is it not more specific as to why it failed - e.g. through lack of numbers, or protection? Though thinking about it, it was always going to fail through lack of numbers, so maybe the protection bit is meaningless.

Oh well, thanks for your reply.

And can I just remind everyone before I go to bed:

PICK-A-LURKER! PICK A WINNER! VOTE: XIAHOU NOW

EDIT: Just seen Pannionian's post, so how 'bout this then?

UNVOTE: XIAHOU
vOTE: DESTROYER OF HOPE

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Sasaki - 3 (Redleg, Kage,Warluster)
Redleg - 3 (Orb, Sasaki, Crazed Rabbit)
The Stranger - 3 (Pannonian, prole, JimBob)
Destroyer of Hope - 1 (Hugh)
Abstain - 2 (Omanes, Moros)

[Crazed Rabbit]

Sasaki still hasn't earnt my trust, even though he says he is a rogue detective, I see no reason for him to reveal it like that so-

Quick Question - you don't see a reason for the detective to reveal themselves when they are about to get lynched?

He is somewhat suspicious, but that doen't seem like a good reason to vote for him at all.

Crazed Rabbit

[Pannonian]

And TS? What has he done suspicous, what has he done wrong? His story seems good enough to prove him Innocent, so i believe him innocent.

He should hang for the same reason that you should hang. Vigilantes will show up as guilty if investigated by detectives, thus a mafioso who had insinuated himself into your gang will have perfect cover for his mafia activities for the rest of the game. So name who the others are so we can clear the way for detectives. It's simple game logic that you should have considered before you mucked things up for the pro-town roles.

Night-kill group for AndresTheCunning
1. The Stranger
2. Warluster
3. Moros
4. ?

[Warluster]

Well I dont see why he did it then, when Sasaki could've done it ages back and proven himself innocent, so why now? Why not earlier? I'd say someones either PM'ed it to him to help, or he has made it up, or maybe he is a detective? Anyway, Sasaki, why didn't you reveal it earlier?

[Orb]

Well I dont see why he did it then, when Sasaki could've done it ages back and proven himself innocent, so why now? Why not earlier? I'd say someones either PM'ed it to him to help, or he has made it up, or maybe he is a detective? Anyway, Sasaki, why didn't you reveal it earlier?

Possibly because he didn't want to get nailed by Mafia. Because he couldn't post any results at the time.

While you can say that he could acquire a protection group, there's the risk of the Mafia infiltrating said group, not actually participating and killing him.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Have you played mafia before? It's generally accepted that detectives won't reveal until they can take out a mafioso or they are in danger of being lynched.

Also, who else was in on the kill of Andres, Warluster? Pannonian is right that such a vigilante action would provide good cover for the mafia. (I don't know if I agree with him on lynching everyone who helped whack Andres, though)

Crazed Rabbit

[Warluster]

He got themI have to get confirmation if I can reveal such info, but I can say one thing, Dutch_Guy was also in the group, but he was attacked.

[Pannonian]

Sasaki, what were the latest investigation results, and can you post a list of all your results so far? Make it as detailed and easy to understand as possible.

[Redleg]

Sasaki still hasn't earnt my trust, even though he says he is a rogue detective, I see no reason for him to reveal it like that so-

Vote:Sasaki

Sasaki - 3 (Redleg, Kage,Warluster)
Redleg - 3 (Orb, Sasaki, Crazed Rabbit)
The Stranger - 3 (Pannonian, prole, JimBob)
Abstain - 2 (Omanes, Moros)

Sasaki lashed out at people who were trying to help and he didn't reveal certian info.

I haven't heard the case about Redleg (I am still reading something like 4 pages back, this thread is massive!)

And TS? What has he done suspicous, what has he done wrong? His story seems good enough to prove him Innocent, so i believe him innocent.

With all of Sasaki attempt at calling out others for duplicity it seems he is more guilty of it then anyone else.

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From : Sasaki Kojiro
To :
Date : 2007-01-26 22:48
Title : FW: Warluster
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Now, weren't there 2 white glove killings last night? Aggony thinks the mafia aren't recruiting so Warluster is no threat, I'm not convinced.

Sasaki

Can you shed any light on this?

He was with Aggony and me, but I only knew that because Aggony told me about it. All of my PMs to the group were CC'd to him, but I never received on from him, and I'm not sure if he actually participated in the protection.

I can't really say anything to allay your fears.

He was with Aggony and you, right? Are you sure he's pro town? Last night he pm'd me asking for names of mafia so he could contact them, then claimed I'd forged the messages, then claimed the messages were real but that I'd told him I was in contact with a bunch of mafia. I'm finding him really suspicious.

Sasaki

I can tell you this. He helped protect Moros that one time. Me, BKS and he did it.

Warluster is a rather erratic fellow; I bet he believed you to be guilty, thus trying to milk you both for information and incriminating evidence. Or he could be looking to join the mafia, after the diminishing of my townie group. Either way I don't think we'll see the mafia doing much more recruiting, they can really only trust themselves now and as long as noone recruits him, you can consider him a pro-townie.

Ducky

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From : Sasaki Kojiro
To :
Date : 2007-01-27 00:48
Title : Re: Lynch vote and the lynch
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This is the copy of the initial message sent to Seamus when it looked to be a tie between you and The Stranger. I had a discussion without Louis and like me we are both convince that both of you are working for the town. I need information so that I can get two that I am convinced are not for a town victory.

I think one of them is going to be lynched this round. The otherone is Jimbob. Do you have any information on him as of yet.

Hmm, was this it:

Select: Beirut

Who else to start us off but the axeman?

Especially when compared with:

I think, in the spirit of keeping things fun, we should give this role to a first-time player. That way, he is guaranteed a chance of staying alive and thus it will become more likely that he will stay for future games.

Select: pevergreen

Sasaki

ps about Warluster:

It's seems he is one of TS's guys that put the hit on andres. He was probably sending me those pm's on suggestion of TS. Doubt he's looking for a mafia family.

[Kagemusha]

Have you played mafia before? It's generally accepted that detectives won't reveal until they can take out a mafioso or they are in danger of being lynched.

Also, who else was in on the kill of Andres, Warluster? Pannonian is right that such a vigilante action would provide good cover for the mafia. (I don't know if I agree with him on lynching everyone who helped whack Andres, though)

Crazed Rabbit

Rabbit this is no ordinary mafia. Any detective reveal could be a made gangster aswell. Specially a made of a dying family that only works to get rid of as many competitors as possible and try to gain trust of the town to pass on to the end,becouse of his services to the town. There simply isnt a role in this game that can be trusted. What a better way would be for one family to gain trust of the town would be then to lead towns people to lynch the opposing families. And for the town to cheerfully protect them from their enemies.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Kagemusha, you have a good point - but I think the tactics behind revealing as a detective are the same.

Crazed Rabbit

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sasaki, what were the latest investigation results, and can you post a list of all your results so far? Make it as detailed and easy to understand as possible.

Results so far are in my initial reveal. Haven't received any today.

I didn't reveal before because I couldn't be sure of protection and I was trying to get Kral's last mafioso.

Redleg, there isn't anything duplicitous about that pm exchange. I looked into warluster. Aggony said he was probably ok, I wasn't convinced. I looked some more, figured he's ok. Ta-dah.

[HughTower]

Redleg, there isn't anything duplicitous about that pm exchange. I looked into warluster. Aggony said he was probably ok, I wasn't convinced. I looked some more, figured he's ok. Ta-dah.

I believe he's highlighting Warluster's duplicity, not yours. He might even be sticking up for you!

[Csargo]

Obviously. What I meant, was is it not more specific as to why it failed - e.g. through lack of numbers, or protection? Though thinking about it, it was always going to fail through lack of numbers, so maybe the protection bit is meaningless.

Oh well, thanks for your reply.

I don't have the PM anymore(I did a massive deletion of PM's after I suicided), but it was very vague it didn't give the reason it said it could have been not enough numbers, etc.

[Csargo]

Seamus something that's bothering me is this.

Director of the Committee of Vigilance:
On the first day phase, and then on each odd numbered day phase thereafter, the town elects the person who will direct the lynching effort. That person shall be director for the next two lynchings following their selection (e.g. Elected Day 1, Director Day 2, Director Day 3, Elected Day 3, Director Day 4 & 5, etc.).
a) The Director will choose the lynching mode, carry out the lynching, and, in the event of a tie vote, the director will decide who among those tied for the most votes will be executed. The director can execute none, one, more, or all of those tied votees at their discretion. The Director is provided with a special goon squad to aid in the executions, and this squad also makes it impossible to kill the Director while they are in office. While directing the lynchings, the individual in question may not vote.
b) Investigations will function as per the Director’s other Role.
c) Ability to act at night is a function of the Director’s other Role.

It doesn't say whether the Director can be lynched. Since he's the one that was elected he shouldn't be able to be killed while he's Director, should he?