Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[Orb]

Doc, TS has 9 votes, including mine. Don now only has 3.

[Csargo]

We don't have evidence he's pro-town. But I don't rememver to have seen eveidence of you being innocent or pro-town. And your behaviour ofcourse is far from suspicious, huh? Quite the contrary. You can't prove your innocence in this game. Even when investigated. Only two turns after someone died we now the truth.

Pannonian, tell me can you prove your innocence? No you can't. Nor can I. No-one can. And may I say just one more time that you yourselve act suspicious? Yes TS has his bizarre ways of doing stuff. That I must admit. But he did hand us out quite a few mafiosi didn't he? What did you, except for wild aacusation to TS, me and sasaki? Nothing have you done except for trying to make the most mafiosi searching ones look suspicious. More and more am I thinking you could be a mafioso. Your goal is being achieved instead of a town looking for clues on the last mafioso family. People are just quarreling about those who have done most of the work for town victory. I haven't seen clues anymore to mafiosi since you got started up attacking us. Strange, don't you think? It's to late this turn. But you will get my vote next turn. If anyone is suspicious now, it is you! What have you done for town nothing! the stranger? Look at the amount of dead mafiosi! That is what he's been doing. You don't even have a reason to suspect damn it. The only thing you have is that he behaves a little bit bizarre at times. Well if he wouldn't then I'd have ly suspicions. Sorry, Pan, but you're the one looking Mafioso to me.

Everything I've read through this round makes The Stranger the most suspicious to me. Him being defended by all of you makes it seems that if he dies you will lose someone important to your cause.

[doc_bean]

Doc, TS has 9 votes, including mine. Don now only has 3.

you posted while i was typing

[Orb]

The_Stranger, because of his suspect support, will be essentially unlynchable if Sasaki dies. We can't have someone who is unlynchable, it'll make a win near-impossible.

you posted while i was typing

The frequent updating to see if the lynch has happened yet leaves me no choice :D

[Moros]

And what will you do if I show you incontrovertible evidence that I'm not mafia? Will you and your fellow vigilantes kill yourselves off for the good of the town?

Why would I make it public? Did I do that with Sasaki? No! Well untill he revealed himself. (it would make any sense for denying it then). What makes you think I can't be thrust? Because I defend someone who lynched more mafiosi than you made helpfull posts? And because I defend a detective? Is defending a detective really such mafioso behaviour. And still where's the awser or respons to my post. It's funny how you always change subject and start talkign bad about one of us!

[Moros]

Everything I've read through this round makes The Stranger the most suspicious to me. Him being defended by all of you makes it seems that if he dies you will lose someone important to your cause.

Tell me what made him suspicious?

[Pannonian]

first of all Crazed Rabbit's tally is worng. Pannonian, you haven't missed my post, now did you? What if killing us might get your detectives dead?

If there's a detective in your number, then that means one detective dead. However, if you vigilantes remain alive, it means all detectives are unable to verify your guilt or innocence, and we can only take your word for it. Frankly, given TS' eratice behaviour in this game, I'd rather not accept his opinion without having seen the evidence with my own eyes. After all, it was precisely this kind of behaviour that made me suspicious of pevergreen, who turned out to be scum.

[Csargo]

Tell me what made him suspicious?

Well the fact that you all are defending him with a passion like you have something to lose by him dieing. So what role does The Stranger have? Or claim to have I should say?

[Orb]

It's past 16.00 hours Seamus time? Isn't it? ISN'T IT?

Some would say I'm getting obsessed with this game. I clearly know better...

[Pannonian]

Why would I make it public? Did I do that with Sasaki? No! Well untill he revealed himself. (it would make any sense for denying it then). What makes you think I can't be thrust? Because I defend someone who lynched more mafiosi than you made helpfull posts? And because I defend a detective? Is defending a detective really such mafioso behaviour. And still where's the awser or respons to my post. It's funny how you always change subject and start talkign bad about one of us!

I'll repeat myself once more. You are not suspicious because of whom you choose to protect. People can be duped - it doesn't mean they were in league with whoever duped them. You are suspicious because you took part in a vigilante killing that has made all detective work on you, The Stranger and whoever else was involved, useless for the rest of the game. The detective is the most powerful pro-town role in the game. You've neutered him. The only way of empowering him again is to remove the obstacles to his work, namely the vigilantes.

[Moros]

If there's a detective in your number, then that means one detective dead. However, if you vigilantes remain alive, it means all detectives are unable to verify your guilt or innocence, and we can only take your word for it. Frankly, given TS' eratice behaviour in this game, I'd rather not accept his opinion without having seen the evidence with my own eyes. After all, it was precisely this kind of behaviour that made me suspicious of pevergreen, who turned out to be scum.

And who was it who pointed the first at pevergeen? TS.

[Pannonian]

And who was it who pointed the first at pevergeen? TS.

I never knew action against one mafia family meant one was not affilated with other families. TS, you, Warluster, and whoever the other member was, obstruct the work of the detectives. Read the rules on the front page on how people who have carreid out night-killings will show up in investigations. They will always show up as guilty. Are you saying this is not useful cover for the mafia?

[Moros]

I'll repeat myself once more. You are not suspicious because of whom you choose to protect. People can be duped - it doesn't mean they were in league with whoever duped them. You are suspicious because you took part in a vigilante killing that has made all detective work on you, The Stranger and whoever else was involved, useless for the rest of the game. The detective is the most powerful pro-town role in the game. You've neutered him. The only way of empowering him again is to remove the obstacles to his work, namely the vigilantes.

And killing someone who was about to start a mafia family was bad? We could post it publically, but what would happen than? We would be accused just like we now were, but Andres could just hapily make his family.

And I don't think we even have to be investigated. we didn't act as mafioso, we protected town. We didn't leave a mark, which mafioso MUST DO. And we needed four persons: TOWNIE KILL!!! Indeed everything points that we are mafiosi. So what are you reasons? None! And we are suspicious? Killing a man for starting a family is suspicious. Trying to get people killed without reason isn't. Yes you do have a nce sense of logic.

[Moros]

I never knew action against one mafia family meant one was not affilated with other families. TS, you, Warluster, and whoever the other member was, obstruct the work of the detectives. Read the rules on the front page on how people who have carreid out night-killings will show up in investigations. They will always show up as guilty. Are you saying this is not useful cover for the mafia?

You mlake no sens my freind. You make no sense. Mafioso need to leave a mark when killing. DOn't kill by four,... Obviously a TOWNIE KILL. You really want me to start to attack your intelligence or something? Mr YOU are suspicious. To be honoust I find you the most suspicious. And if it's up to me you'll be the next to be lynched.

[Pannonian]

And killing someone who was about to start a mafia family was bad? We could post it publically, but what would happen than? We would be accused just like we now were, but Andres could just hapily make his family.

And I don't think we even have to be investigated. we didn't act as mafioso, we protected town. We didn't leave a mark, which mafioso MUST DO. And we needed four persons: TOWNIE KILL!!! Indeed everything points that we are mafiosi. So what are you reasons? None! And we are suspicious? Killing a man for starting a family is suspicious. Trying to get people killed without reason isn't. Yes you do have a nce sense of logic.

You are guilty, not for killing Andres (he'd have been lynched sooner or later), but for neutering the power of the detectives. Once again, it doesn't matter whom you killed, but what effect you have on detective investigations. You, TS, Warluster and the unnamed fourth member will always show up as guilty if investigated. What is a detective supposed to make of those results?

[Orb]

You mlake no sens my freind. You make no sense. Mafioso need to leave a mark when killing. DOn't kill by four,... Obviously a TOWNIE KILL. You really want me to start to attack your intelligence or something? Mr YOU are suspicious. To be honoust I find you the most suspicious. And if it's up to me you'll be the next to be lynched.

Imagine this:

4 attackers, as follows -

3 Townies, they are all no longer verifiable as innocent
1 Mafioso pretending to be townie, he is no longer verifiable as guilty, the kill isn't technically mafia, so they don't need to leave a mark.
Also, we don't know who this mafioso is of them, so we'd have to lynch all four to find out.

Who's in need of an intelligence attack?

[Louis VI the Fat]

Oh, stuff it. I'll play and vote

Vote: Sasaki.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Tally:

The Stranger = 9 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat, Crazed Rabbit, Orb)

Tom_Hagen = 3( HughTower, Ituralde, Moros)

Sasaki Kojiro = 10 (Luigi VI di Fatlington, doc_bean,ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

[Csargo]

You are guilty, not for killing Andres (he'd have been lynched sooner or later), but for neutering the power of the detectives. Once again, it doesn't matter whom you killed, but what effect you have on detective investigations. You, TS, Warluster and the unnamed fourth member will always show up as guilty if investigated. What is a detective supposed to make of those results?

So why is the fourth person unnamed? I wonder maybe because your lieing and if you name a random person they will call you a liar and then you'll be screwed.

[Moros]

You are guilty, not for killing Andres (he'd have been lynched sooner or later), but for neutering the power of the detectives. Once again, it doesn't matter whom you killed, but what effect you have on detective investigations. You, TS, Warluster and the unnamed fourth member will always show up as guilty if investigated. What is a detective supposed to make of those results?

We CAN'T be mafiosi as we did a towny kill! we can't even be wise guys. Can't you read. It is impossible for wiseguys and for mafiosi to preform such a kill. You know you are losing credibilty every time you post. Your posts are really stupid. You say something. I proved the opposite 3 times. You post the same thing again. Really that shows how good you're doing your "townie" role. Jeeezz someone is going to lynch this guy or what?

vote:pannonian.

if he ain't mafioso, or rather dull, I'm superwoman.

The Stranger = 9 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat, Crazed Rabbit, Orb)
Tom_Hagen = 2( HughTower, Ituralde)
Sasaki Kojiro = 9 (doc_bean,ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS)
Pannonian = 1 (Moros)
Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

[Pannonian]

You mlake no sens my freind. You make no sense. Mafioso need to leave a mark when killing. DOn't kill by four,... Obviously a TOWNIE KILL. You really want me to start to attack your intelligence or something? Mr YOU are suspicious. To be honoust I find you the most suspicious. And if it's up to me you'll be the next to be lynched.

I would have thought you'd be more familiar with how mafia can manipulate the game, having been one himself.

1. One of your group takes no further part in your group activities. He still shows up as guilty, of course. But now he undertakes mafia killings on his own account, with a ready explanation if a detective catches him red-handed.
2. Your group does not share information with the public, but expect us to swallow whatever you say. You're not even willing to name the 4th member of your kill-group, despite the import it has for the town. Do you expect the town to continue in faith without access to information it can examine for itself?

[Moros]

Imagine this:

4 attackers, as follows -

3 Townies, they are all no longer verifiable as innocent
1 Mafioso pretending to be townie, he is no longer verifiable as guilty, the kill isn't technically mafia, so they don't need to leave a mark.
Also, we don't know who this mafioso is of them, so we'd have to lynch all four to find out.

Who's in need of an intelligence attack?

Err...One problem with your theory. if only one is mafia than why are we all defending each other and why are we called mafiosi. No, good sir. A mafiosi does his killings single. He doesn't participate.

[Orb]

The Stranger = 9 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat, Crazed Rabbit, Orb)
Tom_Hagen = 2( HughTower, Ituralde)
Sasaki Kojiro = 10 (doc_bean,ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS, Luigi)
Pannonian = 1 (Moros)
Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

EDIT: I'm not calling you all mafiosi, just that one of you could be and a detective can longer know which is which. You wouldn't necessarily know who's the mafioso and the fourth member warluster named (Dutch_Guy) denied taking part in it. I'd be surprised if a Made wasn't allowed to take part in a regular kill group and be outright stunned if a pro-mafia wiseguy wasn't able to, seeing as Seamus only mentioned that they (mades) couldn't take part in protection groups. Thus the wiseguy/made now has perfect cover.

Well, it makes sense for the mafioso to protect his cover by protecting the others and the townies wouldn't know he's a mafioso, so they would protect him.

Sorry about the garbledness but there have been a lot of quick edits to this.


Also, Luigi, could you say why you voted Sasaki?

[Moros]

I would have thought you'd be more familiar with how mafia can manipulate the game, having been one himself.

1. One of your group takes no further part in your group activities. He still shows up as guilty, of course. But now he undertakes mafia killings on his own account, with a ready explanation if a detective catches him red-handed.
2. Your group does not share information with the public, but expect us to swallow whatever you say. You're not even willing to name the 4th member of your kill-group, despite the import it has for the town. Do you expect the town to continue in faith without access to information it can examine for itself?

Strange I tought we said alpmost everything. Btw the 4th member is omanes. He's with TS's group. I only communicate with TS. All 4 are still active.I haven't seen you showing lot's of info. If you ask me TS showed even to much info. This game is a game in which most goes behind the scenes. Did you perhaps want me to make vote by this?

TS is a townie, Sasaki is a rogue detective (don't tell the mafia), agonny duck has pro-town wise guy group protecting people,...

That you even dare to tyope such nonsens. I wouldn't even dare to in the TYOLT or the Drunk thread.

[Moros]

The Stranger = 9 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat, Crazed Rabbit, Orb)
Tom_Hagen = 2( HughTower, Ituralde)
Sasaki Kojiro = 10 (doc_bean,ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS, Luigi)
Pannonian = 1 (Moros)
Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

EDIT: I'm not calling you all mafiosi, just that one of you could be and a detective can longer know which is which.

Sasaki didn't paricipate in the killing, even if he would he would has shown as criminal. You'd know that if you bothered to read his role pm. Questioning it, but don't knowing it. :s

Edit: thank god I'm getting pm's showing that I'lm not only one who's finding you suspicious, pannonian.

[HughTower]

Aaargh - you're all killing each other, town against town. Penny to a pound, TS is a Townie. Likewise Sasaki is who he says he is - a rogue detective.

We came so close to doing the right thing, & lynching ourselves a lurker.

You're going to lose this vote, TS, & the only way out of it is to take Pannionan's offer, as distasteful as it seems. I can't choose to lynch Sasaki over you, because he seems to have a powerful role. Sorry.

[HughTower]

And killing someone who was about to start a mafia family was bad? We could post it publically, but what would happen than? We would be accused just like we now were, but Andres could just hapily make his family.

And I don't think we even have to be investigated. we didn't act as mafioso, we protected town. We didn't leave a mark, which mafioso MUST DO. And we needed four persons: TOWNIE KILL!!! Indeed everything points that we are mafiosi. So what are you reasons? None! And we are suspicious? Killing a man for starting a family is suspicious. Trying to get people killed without reason isn't. Yes you do have a nce sense of logic.

And who were the 4? Dutch Guy has denied involvement.

[Moros]

Aaargh - you're all killing each other, town against town. Penny to a pound, TS is a Townie. Likewise Sasaki is who he says he is - a rogue detective.

We came so close to doing the right thing, & lynching ourselves a lurker.

You're going to lose this vote, TS, & the only way out of it is to take Pannionan's offer, as distasteful as it seems. I can't choose to lynch Sasaki over you, because he seems to have a powerful role. Sorry.

I'm mostly defending townies. I'm not the one making chaos in the pro-town camp. But I forgot that this is typical pro-town behavior and not that of mafiosi.

[Pannonian]

Strange I tought we said alpmost everything. Btw the 4th member is omanes.

Which begs the question, why Warluster did name Dutch Guy?

[Moros]

Which begs the question, why Warluster did name Dutch Guy?

That I don't know. I'm defending TS, me and sasaki here. Warluster is in TS's group. The only thing I know is that TS trusts him. I'm not inclining that I think he's mafioso. But what you say does make sense. (was about time. )

[Redleg]

Aaargh - you're all killing each other, town against town. Penny to a pound, TS is a Townie. Likewise Sasaki is who he says he is - a rogue detective.

We came so close to doing the right thing, & lynching ourselves a lurker.

You're going to lose this vote, TS, & the only way out of it is to take Pannionan's offer, as distasteful as it seems. I can't choose to lynch Sasaki over you, because he seems to have a powerful role. Sorry.

The problem is that Rogue does not necessarily mean Pro-town, even if his actions seem to be pro-town for now. One must ask themseves what rogue means.

Rogue as defined by Webster's

1 : VAGRANT, TRAMP
2 : a dishonest or worthless person : SCOUNDREL
3 : a mischievous person : SCAMP
4 : a horse inclined to shirk or misbehave